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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:55 PM Sep 2019

Trump's extortion of Ukraine isn't about Biden. It's about Donbas. This is Trump dealing for Putin!

HOLY SHIT. Trump’s extortion of Ukraine isn’t about Biden. It’s about Donbas. Ukraine pulled its troops, ceding it to Russia; then Trump released the aid. The Biden thing is a red herring. This is Trump dealing for Putin!

With the new Ukrainian president suddenly withdrawing his troops from eastern Ukraine & Putin reinforcing his troops there, the deal our tax dollars ( Trump’s so-called “military aid” ) funded is complete. That’s called a quid pro quo w/ extortion, treason & other felonies.

Russia sent another resupply convoy to its army invading Ukraine in Donbas. It's the 84th such delivery of matériel since Putin's War began in 2014. The Russians again disguised the convoy as "humanitarian aid" but the trucks were not inspected by any competent authority.







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Trump's extortion of Ukraine isn't about Biden. It's about Donbas. This is Trump dealing for Putin! (Original Post) MelissaB Sep 2019 OP
Truth! Iliyah Sep 2019 #1
Treason anyone? spanone Sep 2019 #2
Maybe this is why he and Rudy are "confessing" to the Biden thing. Mike 03 Sep 2019 #3
EXACTLY! Conspiring against our alliesis KPN Sep 2019 #19
Get thee to the greatest section! ffr Sep 2019 #4
Maybe it's about both. Mangolini gets Biden dirt and Putin gets Ukraine. Sounds fair to me. hedda_foil Sep 2019 #5
HOLY SHIT, K&R Leghorn21 Sep 2019 #6
K&R (with an aching soul) Guilded Lilly Sep 2019 #7
Who are these two twitterers? boston bean Sep 2019 #8
FWIW leftstreet Sep 2019 #15
The two twitterers are.... chowder66 Sep 2019 #16
Dumbass enid602 Sep 2019 #9
Two treasonous birds with one extortion stone. K&R joost5 Sep 2019 #10
I still think the Biden issue is the bigger deal Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #11
K&R...with venom coursing through my mind... N_E_1 for Tennis Sep 2019 #12
Trump is owned by Putin Botany Sep 2019 #13
This is about Trump staying out of prison by hanging on to his Russian cohen. ancianita Sep 2019 #14
He'll stay out of prison because of.... SergeStorms Sep 2019 #20
Him, too. For sure. We'll see what this whistleblower battle will do reveal who the REAL coup is. ancianita Sep 2019 #22
Doesn't the president have the authority to make a deal with another country like this? Kablooie Sep 2019 #17
What does Putin have to offer America? SergeStorms Sep 2019 #21
I don't buy it leftstreet Sep 2019 #18
I just hope our democracy can survive these traitorous anti-democratic bastards rickyhall Sep 2019 #23

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
3. Maybe this is why he and Rudy are "confessing" to the Biden thing.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:02 PM
Sep 2019

So we don't notice the much bigger issue at play here.

KPN

(15,638 posts)
19. EXACTLY! Conspiring against our alliesis
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:34 PM
Sep 2019

immensely worse than just against the opposition party (because it actually does both).

They are fessing up to the lesser of the two while also making the case that there’s nothing wrong with “getting info from a foreign source regarding a political opponent — doesn’t matter; everybody does it”. They think they can manage the message and consequences via their party and their base. Ain’t going to happen if this is in fact the case.

What tRump has done (if this is true) is treasonous regarding treaties and long standing alliances. Our allies in Europe are not the GOP or tRump’s deplorable base. They aren’t ideologically loyal to tRump and Faux News doesn’t control the messaging in Europe.

If this is real, the shit is about to fly in DC.
And Pelosi damn well better get on board with her constituents.

leftstreet

(36,101 posts)
15. FWIW
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:28 PM
Sep 2019

Both of these tweeters have lots of followers, but none of the followers are the pundits, journalists, etc you usually see in most reliable tweets

I'm not an expert, just sayin

chowder66

(9,055 posts)
16. The two twitterers are....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:33 PM
Sep 2019

Christopher Alberto
@ChrisAlbertoLaw
Former federal prosecutor. Directed a team that caught white-collar bad guys, seized millions & returned it to victims. Working to protect our Constitution.

Michael MacKay
@mhmck
Ph.D. from the LSE ... veteran of Ukraine democratic and civil society renaissance ... election observer ... Unix guru ... Upper Canadian

Fiendish Thingy

(15,555 posts)
11. I still think the Biden issue is the bigger deal
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:06 PM
Sep 2019

The Donbas wheeling and dealing doesn’t appear to be that different from typical US diplomacy (see Cuban missile crisis and Turkish bases).

ancianita

(35,950 posts)
14. This is about Trump staying out of prison by hanging on to his Russian cohen.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:26 PM
Sep 2019

This is also about the loyalists who want to return this country to oligarchal rule.

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
20. He'll stay out of prison because of....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:35 PM
Sep 2019

his 'Roy Cohn' at the head of the Justice Department. I think the coup d'état has already been completed, but we're still trying to close the barn door after the horse is already galloping around the field.

ancianita

(35,950 posts)
22. Him, too. For sure. We'll see what this whistleblower battle will do reveal who the REAL coup is.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:44 PM
Sep 2019

The horse will tell us who opened the door when we catch it.

Kablooie

(18,613 posts)
17. Doesn't the president have the authority to make a deal with another country like this?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:33 PM
Sep 2019

So on the surface it could be presented as normal, secret dealings.

The crux is, what is the reason he agreed to this?
Was it done in America's best interest or in his own personal interest?
What does Putin offer America in return?

Of course we know the answer, partially.
It is not done in America's interest and probably to America's detriment.
Just what Trump personally receives from this kind of transaction is still unknown.

Why is he such a Toady to Putin? What does Putin have over him?
I've heard that he could be in debt to Russians but that doesn't seem to be enough to
cause him to act in such a drastic way.

There must be something going on behind the curtain that is much bigger than anything
reported up to now.



SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
21. What does Putin have to offer America?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:38 PM
Sep 2019

I think what you mean to say is, 'what does Putin have to offer Donald Trump'?

Another four years in office, of course, and the complete destruction of American Democracy. What more could Putin, Trump, and the GOP hope for?

leftstreet

(36,101 posts)
18. I don't buy it
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:33 PM
Sep 2019

Zelensky ran as an anti-war candidate and troop withdrawals were expected

Seems unrelated

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