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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,145 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:41 AM Sep 2019

On open carry....

This past Saturday, while my area was still in the proverbial Cone of Death of a major hurricane, I went out to get some Chinese takeout at our local takeout establishment.

As I pulled into the left-hand turning lane and turned on my signal to pull into the plaza where the takeout place was located, I noticed a motorcycle travelling in the opposite direction. It slowed and moved into its right hand turning lane, meaning it was also headed towards the same plaza.

Figuring it had the right of way, I dutifully sat in the left hand turn lane and waited for the motorcycle to turn in. However, when it came for him to turn into the plaza, he instead came to a stop and sat there for a second or two.

Reminding him that he had the right of way, I waived my arm to tell him to turn in.

Still nothing. He just sat there for a couple more seconds like a bump on the log, seemingly oblivious to me.

Not wanting to lose any more time, I figured he had forfeited his right of way and I began to make my left turn in. And just as I did, the man on the motorcycle started to angrily gesture and wave his arm, only then realizing that I was there and turning in.

I pull into the plaza parking lot, and I notice that the man on the motorcycle is directly behind me and has also parked in the same parking lot.

Not one for awkward confrontations, I pray that he was heading towards one of the other two restaurants in the plaza, but as I walk towards the takeout place, I notice there he is, walking right behind me.

Now, I have been cut off many times in traffic. And typically I'll react with an angry wave of my hand, and I'll be upset for a grand total of maybe 3 seconds. 5 seconds, tops. And by then it's ancient history. But I have no guarantee how others might react.

I open the door, and the motorcycle man is literally 5 feet behind me. As I open the door, the lady at the counter announces, "Next person!"

I don't have a second to say a word to her before the motorcycle man immediately barges in front of me and asks for his order, without any regard for the fact that I was technically the next person in line.

Whatever. If he feels I somehow cut him off earlier, let him take my place in line and get his order. As long as he doesn't say anything to me.

And yet, just as he finishes his order, he turns directly to me and says to me in a thick New York/New Jersey accent--not in a shouting manner, but very bluntly--"If you ever pull that stunt on me ever again, I guarantee you that you won't be coming out in one piece."

Now, I'm a pacifist by nature. I've never gotten into a fistfight in my life, and have no plans to do so. Still, I'm forever situationally aware of things and if I ever am forced to defend myself, I will.

So I assess him up. He's at least 20 years older than me, probably in his 60s, and a foot shorter than me. So I feel reasonably confident about my situation if it were to come to blows.

I simply shake my head at him.

"Chill out, man," I tell him. "You're going to give yourself a heart attack if you keep acting like this. Besides, you ended up taking my place in line, so consider things square between us."

"Oh, my heart just bleeds for you," he responds sarcastically, seemingly not aware of my honest peace offering.

Without saying anything else he takes his food and leaves the store. I approach the lady at the counter--who is a familiar face--and she just has an expression on her face like, "What the hell was that about?"

"Must be the stress from the hurricane," I say.

She's clearly sympathetic towards me and tells me not to worry about it, people yell at her on a daily basis. I thank her and take my food.

Thinking about this in retrospect, I have to wonder how the situation might have played out if it were not simply an angry old man spewing empty threats, but someone with a gun displayed at his side.

The dynamic of the situation would have changed considerably.

How would I have reacted differently?

How would the lady behind the counter reacted differently?

We're told by the gun apologists, "An armed society is a polite society," but such a case, I can't see the outcome being any more polite or civilized.

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On open carry.... (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2019 OP
They lie. lark Sep 2019 #1
Maybe just a personal observation, but it sure seems people are MUCH pissier lately Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 #2
Right wingers like to harp on about "angry liberals", when in fact they are perpetually angry LiberalLovinLug Sep 2019 #23
Toters are often bullies and pitiful losers. Hoyt Sep 2019 #3
Nothing says fear Newest Reality Sep 2019 #4
I have been cut off in traffic Watchfoxheadexplodes Sep 2019 #5
Yet, apparently you carry one. Hmmmm. Hoyt Sep 2019 #6
Glad you are ok Some people are just looking for a fight. Sounds like he was. nt raccoon Sep 2019 #7
By Wookie custom you would have been allowed to rip his arm off. hunter Sep 2019 #8
Trumpers are upset prezzy is doing so badly in polls, his problems and attitudes spread onto them. monmouth4 Sep 2019 #9
Telling someone to chill out and that they'll have a heart attack is a peace offering? Okay. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2019 #10
Local norms? It depends where you are. usaf-vet Sep 2019 #17
I admit I was slightly annoyed by his hostile tone. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2019 #19
Old man verbally threatened him. maxsolomon Sep 2019 #21
Often, a measured and proportional reponse is the most effective peace offering available LanternWaste Sep 2019 #22
Sounds like he was itching for a confrontation. Lars39 Sep 2019 #11
Well I have no idea if he was armed. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2019 #13
An armed society is not a polite society Johnny2X2X Sep 2019 #12
Why were you more confrontational sarisataka Sep 2019 #14
Was Zimmerman polite? Or any of the other nutbags? NoMoreRepugs Sep 2019 #15
I would never have gotten out of my car bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #16
An armed society Harker Sep 2019 #18
Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria, all very polite societies IronLionZion Sep 2019 #20
Never ever engage at their level struggle4progress Sep 2019 #24

lark

(23,059 posts)
1. They lie.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:47 AM
Sep 2019

An armed society is a murderous one is what the truth actually is. They just lie for hate, racism & profit.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
2. Maybe just a personal observation, but it sure seems people are MUCH pissier lately
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:55 AM
Sep 2019

In traffic, at restaurants and stores, even in my little retirement community (I'm just shy of 54 so perhaps I'm too young for this retirement community). I hope none of these pissy people I deal with on a seemingly daily basis are driven to start shooting over such nonsense like traffic disputes, restaurants and retirement community disputes.

If and when you draw a firearm in response to a minor dispute, you should consider your life essentially over. I've never owned a firearm and never would. Those that do, for something other than hunting? They're cowards. I'm no coward (but I'm a fan of Noel Coward ).

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
23. Right wingers like to harp on about "angry liberals", when in fact they are perpetually angry
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 02:57 PM
Sep 2019

Spurred on by Fox News, InfoWars, Rush Limpballs etc...

They are angry and nasty when there is a Democratic President. But having a Republican President makes them even angrier! Because 1. Their lives, and financial situation, are not markedly any more improved, and probably worse under an administration that cares only for 1% of the population. And they simply can't admit that and so their frustration has to come out somewhere else. And 2. They are such fragile snowflakes, that they will never admit they made a mistake, and so will go overboard in lashing out anyone who represents a threat to pointing out how mislead they were/are.

I think deep down, liberals just want to live and let live. Enjoy life. Single Payer Medicare for All is not only about saving money and insuring more, its also about living with less stress. Look at how many happy laughing occasions we had under Obama. Days, weeks went by without any drama. Many stories about musical performances, or holiday celebrations, with shots of a smiling first family.

With Republicans, not only Trump, it is all about anger. Manufactured if they have to. It doesn't matter if everything goes their way electorally even. All branches, and two stolen judges change nothing. Complain and whine. They seem to crave stress and setting the narrative that they are being attacked daily, (by angry libs). I don't know how one can live like that.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
4. Nothing says fear
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 12:08 PM
Sep 2019

like someone who carries a gun in situations where a firearm is not all necessary, like, oh, being in a civilization and going out for a bite to eat, maybe?

What? Is that guy afraid of a good fistfight? Gosh forbid he get his lights knocked out. Intimidating other people is another factor.

Fear and loathing in America!

Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts)
5. I have been cut off in traffic
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 12:11 PM
Sep 2019

Cut in front of
Yelled at
Called names

And

I have never omce thought of pulling out my gun.

Hmm

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,304 posts)
10. Telling someone to chill out and that they'll have a heart attack is a peace offering? Okay.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 01:24 PM
Sep 2019

Never in the history of chilling out has someone chilled out by being told to chill out.

usaf-vet

(6,161 posts)
17. Local norms? It depends where you are.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 02:24 PM
Sep 2019

YEARS! ago I was in a bar/restaurant in a southern state having a beer minding my own business waiting for my burger.

Someone played a song on the jukebox which I now know is "Dixie". Catchy tune but unfamiliar to me.

I noticed several men from the table across the room get up and walk directly toward me. Quote: "Yankee you damn better well stand up when they play Dixie." The local norm for that region of the world?

I stood with my beer and waited for the song to end.

I later figured out that they saw me drive-in with New York plates on the car.

To this day when I hear Dixie play, I have a strong urge to stand.
Now an understanding norm in my immediate world.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,145 posts)
19. I admit I was slightly annoyed by his hostile tone.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 02:31 PM
Sep 2019

But assessing him I didn't see him as much of a problem so I just shot him the "chill out" line.

Honestly, I wouldn't be all that sad if his food order had slid off his bike on his way back.

Lars39

(26,106 posts)
11. Sounds like he was itching for a confrontation.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 01:24 PM
Sep 2019

Unhinged and armed is not a good combination. Glad you made it out okay.

Johnny2X2X

(18,968 posts)
12. An armed society is not a polite society
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 01:30 PM
Sep 2019

That's just idiotic and so far from reality. As someone who carried a gun on the job before, that gun causes the carrier to be way way more confrontational. A person with a gun is way less likely to let some small slight go, they will almost 100% of the time feel the need to speak up.

I always wonder if one of these open carry cowards has had their skull split open from behind by someone who didn't know why they had a gun in a store. As in, "Oh, this guy has his gun, he's probably going to shoot someone, I'll grab this crowbar off the store shelf, sneak up behind him and give him a hard whack to the skull to KO him and save people."

sarisataka

(18,472 posts)
14. Why were you more confrontational
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 01:46 PM
Sep 2019

On the job when you carried a gun than jobs you didn't carry? Did you ever think you had permission to shoot people or did you feel they would back down because you were armed?

Also were you ever concerned someone was going to ambush you with a handy crowbar?

struggle4progress

(118,214 posts)
24. Never ever engage at their level
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 03:04 PM
Sep 2019

"How about this great weather we're having?" or "Have a nice day!" is about all I'd say

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