Three people show up for Philadelphia gunman rally

[karin_sj]

"Three people showed up for a controversial rally on Friday night in North Philadelphia to support Maurice Hill, the alleged gunman accused of shooting six Philadelphia police officers. Organizers were expecting 200 to 300 people at the rally."

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2019/08/16/organizers-say-hundreds-attend-rally-support-maurice-hill-alleged-gunman-shot-philadelphia-police-officers/



That poster is absolutely fake and is designed to stir up Trump supporters & their ilk. I mean, look at the wording. It doesn't look like it's from a native speaking American. Also, if you're trying to generate sympathy and support for someone, wouldn't you user a different photo of the guy?

But Law Enforcement Today magazine is running with it:

"He’s the man accused of shooting six Philadelphia police officers. And according to organizers, they’re expecting hundreds of people. Why? Because apparently… racism. ... Welcome to the cop-hating community."

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/hundreds-expected-at-rally-for-man-accused-of-shooting-6-philadelphia-cops/

Why isn't anyone following up on this? As someone said in another thread: It reeks!

[Marengo]

1. What specifically about the wording do you consider suspicious?

[malaise]

5. Every effin' thing about it is suspicious

African Americans don't organize rallies to support druggists with previous criminal records.
Tell the 2016 posse to wheel and come again.

This is absolutely fake race-dividing, pot-stirring bullshit.
signed malaise

[Marengo]

9. My question is specific to the phrasing, nothing else. Can you answer?

[malaise]

10. African-Americans write or say African-Americans

not Africans - it is 100% fake.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

15. whatabout armed self defense?

Don't you think the people in Mauritania have the right to be armed with more than ninja skills? Sure, it's a little strange to hold a rally in support of "armed self defense" in Philadelphia, but shouldn't everyone from Algeria to Zimbabwe have the benefits of our 2nd Amendment (as amended and mangled by RWNJ judges)?



Been living in Kentucky for over 6 decades and ain't never heard anyone say "armed self defense" before.

[malaise]

20. I didn't even have to reach there

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Marengo]

32. Not absolutely all, I have encountered some who have identified themselves solely as African

Born in the USA, but rejecting the American element of their identity.

[RobinA]

62. While I Do Think

the language is weird, I guess I'd figure anyone truly arranging such a rally would be weird. There's all kinds of posters around Philadelphia, written by all kinds of groups, that could be described as beyond strange. Plus, this poster is kind of MOVE-like in its presentation and sentiment, so it's not totally alien to the area. Ramona Africa was known to have, and disseminate, some pretty extreme language in her day.

[karin_sj]

22. Well, for one thing...

I found the use of the word "Africans" kind of weird. Also, further down in the poster, it says: "Defend African resistance! The state is ther criminal!" Sounds pretty off to me!

[Hekate]

24. "Africans have the right to armed self defense." There is a significant word missing.

Can you spot the word that is not there?

[Marengo]

33. Not all African Americans identify themselves as such. Some in fact find that offensive and identify

Themselves solely as African. I have encountered such persons. Only a few to be sure, but evidence the rule is not universal.

[Hekate]

35. I have never --ever-- encountered an American of African descent who self-identified that way...

...unless they were in fact born in Africa.

Whatever your acquaintances may intend, if they were born in America there is an implicit denial of the citizenship that is theirs by right.

The political flyer/poster being discussed here contained several clues as to its non-American & possibly Eastern European origin. Taken together, they form a gestalt that clearly indicates that whatever person or group behind it is no friend of African Americans/Black people/POC living in America.

(Take your pick of whatever the current preferred appellation is; I do my best to keep up, but it's changed at least half-a-dozen times in my lifetime, and at the moment I am grimly amused to find we are just about back to my humane and polite grandmother's term "colored people," and she was born in the 1880s and lived through 3/4 of the tumultuous 20th century. And POC is self-chosen, so go figure.)

[malaise]

40. That effin simple

[Hekate]

47. Thank you, my friend

I hope you are keeping well.

[malaise]

49. Very well

Enjoying the much needed rain

[Marengo]

42. Denial was the point, as being a legacy of the slave trade in their view. Although it seemed they...

Were content to remain rather than return to the place they identified with. Again, only a handful but the rationale was essential the same for each. I’m not arguing for the authenticity of the poster in question, only that the use of the African to identify African Americans is not absolute proof of foreign or provocateur origin.

[Solomon]

44. I'm African American, 64 years old and I have never, never, met any

African Americans that self identify as African.

Just Stop it.

[Marengo]

45. Met every African American in the United States have you?

[malaise]

51. Let me put it this way

We've both met more than you

[Solomon]

55. Lol

Thank you Malaise.

[Marengo]

56. Which changes nothing. I personally know of several examples which contradict your implication...

In post 10 of a universal standard. It’s really nothing more than that, and I’m at a loss to understand why you can’t accept it. It seems to me that our sample populations so to speak have some variances apart from the similarities. My original point is that I was not immediately suspicious of the advert in question for the use of “African” in place of African American as I have know a few who do just that. Just because you haven’t encountered doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist no matter how large your sample population.

[Solomon]

60. You really should stop digging

this stupid hole. It's ridiculous.

[Marengo]

61. Meh, you're digging the hole here. As I said to the other poster, just because you haven't...

Encountered it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. But, you certainly seem invested in suggesting otherwise. Why I cannot say.

[Hekate]

46. "Return"? That's another tricky word. I'm sure you can spot why

[Marengo]

57. Accurate in the context of their worldview, nothing more.

[Hekate]

58. What did Malcolm X say when told to go back where he came from?

smh

[Marengo]

59. Irrelevant, as not one of the individuals in question are Malcom X nor claimed to be the...

Reincarnation thereof.

[MineralMan]

48. You know who refers to African-Americans as Africans?

Right-wing racists. That's who.

[Ilsa]

2. This looks like more propaganda from russian operatives.

Putin wants a divided US. Easiest ways are with culture wars and race wars. LET bought into it; swallowed the propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

[rampartc]

3. it reminds me of the posters last fall of an "antifa uprising"

that never happened but all the rwnjs were ready for.

I think these things come from 4chan or 8chan but I don't think they are legit.

[malaise]

6. It is

Ignore this fuckery!

[uponit7771]

16. +1

[dustyscamp]

39. We need to keep calling out rwnjs for making fake propaganda

Link to tweet

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1162043922857766915.html

[rampartc]

41. that is precisely the kind of propaganda i'm talking about

trumpistas call each other patriots. I sure do not.

[brush]

4. The whole idea of a rally was a puzzler to me. How do you defend a shooter who...

shot 6 cops during an attempted drug bust?

So the "rally" was a fake ginned up by pro-police groups?

Who knows what the hell this is all about?

[theophilus]

7. Hmmmmmmm. I wonder where this originated. I have an idea but I'm not sayin'. n/t

[FM123]

8. I find the wording a bit odd too.

One thing that stood out was Africans?
Really?

[malaise]

13. Ding ding

absolute BS

[JDC]

21. No kidding. My first thought.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

11. Probably Russian

[uponit7771]

17. Sounds like it, my understanding is they want to stoke another civil war as much as possible

[Oneironaut]

18. Putin hasn't thought about the stupidity of starting a civil war in a country with the most nukes

in the world. Not that he’ll be successful, but if he were, I seriously question if he’s considered the consequences. Civil wars tend to create poverty, and nuclear bombs could be sold for a lot of money.

Imo, he more just wants to embarrass the US, and maybe lessen our power. A civil conflict in the US would not be in Russia’s interest.

[Hekate]

36. Much more effective, and more likely, is to promote division of all types, as the goal is to weaken

...Western democracies and neuter them on the world stage. Thus the push to break up the EU, which was the most effective means of keeping peace in Europe in 2,000 years.

The US was the most important democratic country on the planet in the 20th century, an economic, political, diplomatic, and military powerhouse, the "indispensible nation," but through a combination of our own folly and Russian attacks, this will not be the case in the 21st century. We have as many gun deaths as a shooting war already, and the election of Trump allowed every RWNJ to come out from under their rocks and bridges and fly their freak flags. We are experiencing the psychological effects of this terrorism every day, but I think a literal Civil War 2 is not likely -- just a further crumbling of our social and governmental infrastructure, until our democracy has eroded fatally.

[jberryhill]

12. Nobody showed up to a fake rally? Wow, what a surprise

[PandoraAwakened]

14. Russian operatives

Nuances of the English language, American colloquilisms, etc. frequently go over the heads of Russian ops who come from lower levels of Kremlin training. For example, the few people of color living in Russia are simply called "Africans." There us no such thing in their language as "African Russians." So, of course, the term "African American" would never even occur to a low-level Russian propagandist.

[Scurrilous]

27. ...

[renate]

19. I'm so glad that the Russians made that mistake

“Africans”.

This is so obviously fake. And a predictor of what will come from them next.

But they won’t make this mistake a second time. And people are going to fall for it, especially since Fox isn’t going to point out that it’s Russian.

[Corgigal]

23. Russia in the house.

We're all learning. Good.

[karin_sj]

25. They're really running with this

From Sean Hannity's site: "DISGUSTING DISPLAY: Group Plans Rally to SUPPORT Philadelphia Shooter that Injured 6 Police Officers"

https://hannity.com/media-room/disgusting-display-group-plans-rally-to-support-philadelphia-shooter-that-injured-6-police-officers/

I'm sure he won't mention that only three people attended. A far cry from the 200-300 protesters that all the right wingers are up in arms about.

[applegrove]

26. I hope they get investigated by someone for trying to start this rally. N/t

[Mc Mike]

28. A job for the bunco squad. nt

[applegrove]

29. Oh i get it. Had to look up bunco squad. Thanks.

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[Mc Mike]

30. Informal name for a police department dealing with fraud. Nt

[rzemanfl]

54. Or Moose and Squirrel. n/t

[Hekate]

37. "They" will probably be damn hard to find in real life

[cwydro]

31. The date is incorrect too if I'm seeing it correctly.

Friday was the 16th.

This looks like some bogus Facebook thing to me.

[Joe941]

34. Russian propaganda

[brettdale]

38. The date is the wrong format

The person who did that poster is not an American.

[pecosbob]

43. It does remind me a bit of the 'racial protests' the Russians tried to astroturf in Texas.

[Iggo]

50. That's one more than showed up for Steve King's town hall. (n/t)

[UniteFightBack]

52. This is the exact things that Russians and their friends were fostering and flaming. nt

[underthematrix]

53. I suspected almost immediately when I heard about this

incident that it was a Russian psyop designed to cause friction in the African American community. As an African American, I just assumed they would use the images against African Americans which is why I didn't retweet the story or any stories about the story. i call it a #RussianKneegroePsyop