With Everything You've Heard, Read & Know About Epstein - Does He Strike You As Someone That.....

[global1]

would commit suicide?

With the money, lawyers and influence he has or had - was he really at the end of his rope (no pun intended) that it would cause him to take his own life?

I find it hard to believe that this early in his recent incarceration - that he gave up hope - and offed himself. He has lived too good a life to give it all up.

He doesn't appear to have the personality of a person that would commit suicide.

[underpants]

1. Yes

He was done for and he knew it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. Narcissists NEVER kill themselves...murdered, period

That includes Hitler who lived his life out in South America.

[TwilightZone]

41. False

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212373024

[real Cannabis calm]

50. Why did this get so few recommendations? And...

Who cares about Epstein's narcissism? He was ultra-wealthy, well-connected and powerful. Also, he had an opportunity of somehow weaseling his way out of these charges too, or at the very least obtaining special treatment in prison, for a far shorter period than other's convicted on similar charges.

[cwydro]

45. You surely don't really believe that about Hitler?

[Alea]

55. lol

[uponit7771]

2. Hell Naw !! That's why I said if there's no dead man switch then he's still alive. NO WAY this guy..

... wouldn't leave himself with some kind of protection from murder worldwide.

He was convicted of child sex trafficking in 08 and didn't have an ounce of give of a damn about it so there's no "remorse" of anything.

Trump is a text book white supremacist who runs text book concentration camps for brown people seeking help and text book kidnaps there kids who end up sexually abuse or dead ... but lets give this guy the benefit of the doubt on his pedophile child sex trafficking friend :rolleyes:

[Quixote1818]

3. Yes. He went from being on top of the world to having nothing and being shamed. nt

[global1]

9. I Guess I See Epstein As Having A Trump-Like Personality.....

and I don't think that Trump is a person that is capable of being shamed.

[uponit7771]

12. +1, Trump would hire Russian hookers to pee on him in the middle of 5th ave and not give a ...

... damn about what people thought, I don't see shame as a factor either.

[LeftInTX]

67. Trump is not in prison....

The main difference in their personalities is Epstein was shadowy and secretive. Trump is showy.

However, if Trump was thrown in prison and his fetishes were exposed to the world and he was helpless to do anything about, I think his personality would change.

[genxlib]

4. At 66...

His good times were in the past. He was never going to see sunlight or an underage girl again.

He may have thought that he got away with it once back in the mid 2000's. This was different and it was obvious to everyone. I wonder if Trump becoming President sealed his fate. The original plea deal may have stayed under the radar if Trump and Acosta had not risen to a place of power.

That definitely makes him a candidate.

[Kid Berwyn]

24. So why did he plead, "Not Guilty"?

Lots of money means lots of lawyers. A jury trial would mean anything can happen.

Dead, he hasn’t got a chance to party.

[genxlib]

28. Hope and hopelessness are not mutually exclusive

They intermingle in an ebb and flow.

He plead not guilty on July 9th. The press has continued to get worse, documents were released, Acosta went down, etc.

I don't doubt for a minute that his confidence in beating the rap waned as the details came out and all of his powerful friends abandoned him.

I don't rule out foul play but I do believe it very, very likely that he took his own life.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. Yes. He didn't give up hope. He knew that the life he led would have an end, and he arranged it,

just like he arranged everything else.

[Cartoonist]

6. He spent 13 months in jail

Not hard time, but enough to know what the rest of his life would be like.

[uponit7771]

14. No, he slept in a club fed ... might as well been a hotel compared to the rest of the joints. Then

... during the daytime he was off doing whatever he wanted to do.

There's no jail experience here ... not even close.

[customerserviceguy]

57. For a pampered asshole like this

Club Fed is hard time. Still, I figured that he would have thought that he would have enough money to pay for lawyers to get him out sooner rather than later.

[Cicada]

7. Absolutely. He knew he would never leave prison.

Our happiness is relative. If you have had a hard life and you improve to average you are happy happy happy.If you lived a great life and it becomes average you are sad sad sad. Epstein surely felt as rotten in jail as anyone can get. He knew he would never leave. His friends all view him as a monster now. He was an extremely good candidate for suicide.

[samnsara]

8. yeah i know! im still going with auto erotic asphyxiation gone wrong...

..he was addicted to sex, desperate and nutty.

[cyndensco]

10. Yes.

He lived large and his life as he knew it was over.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

11. I don't know him or even much about him

but given that his considerably much more generous release/supervision terms were revoked and he was in a really s**tty place and all of the awful stuff about him was finally going to come spilling out, it's not impossible to imagine getting to a place where he decided to kill himself. Plus, people like him are generally considered the lowest of the low in prisons, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that another inmate got to him either for reasons specifically unrelated to his case. The thing that I keep circling back to is that, if somebody wanted or felt they needed to *silence* Epstein once and for all, it seems like it would have been a LOT easier to do it while he was reportedly spending 6/7 days week virtually free to come and go as he pleased and not wait until he was secured in a high-security federal prison to finally off him.

[MaryMagdaline]

13. Yes

He was all about pleasure, and there was none left in prison

[GeorgeGist]

15. Would a narcissist...

feel shame?

[Beringia]

16. Yes

He was cornered.

[Zambero]

17. Knowing he'd arrived in hell and was not going anywhere

the suddenly horrific contrast to his lavish lifestyle was intolerable. The only control he had over his fate was to terminate himself and the situation he found himself in. That's my likely scenario anyway.

[jberryhill]

18. Yes

That’s 12-2 so far, with one indeterminate, for those playing at home.

[StarfishSaver]

19. Yes.

I think that for a 66-year-old narcissistic hedonist, a life of misery with no likelihood of pleasure is not worth living.

[Johonny]

20. He seems to have been a blackmailer, and a lot of people were likely very glad he died

before he talked more.

So yeah, he's the kind of guy you expect to not last too long in prison.

[Delmette2.0]

31. Yeah, but that just open up all the documented secrets to gov't investigators.

[Johonny]

37. Yup

It's going to be interesting to see if they pursue this case further or not.

[fleur-de-lisa]

21. Yes. He tried it a few weeks ago.

And let's not forget all the evidence law enforcement has . . . apparently there are tapes. He knew he would not get off (no pun intended) so easily this time, especially since the Miami Herald has been reporting on his arrest and all the evidence against him. Too many people know about the deal he was given the first time. He knew he would spend the rest of his life in prison.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

22. He wasn't going to get any deal. No prosecutor would ever be that dumb.

Not after the last deal that he got.

And his crimes would have almost certainly put him in prison for the rest of his natural life. And as a sex offender, he wouldn't even be eligible for a minimum security deal like Cohen got.

So a guy used to a life of mansions, airplanes and boats is facing the prospect of grim prison life for the rest of his life, with a near zero chance of any sort of leniency.

I could totally see someone like that take the coward's way out.

[Act_of_Reparation]

23. Does an elderly white billionaire staring down the barrel of a terminal prison sentence...

...seem a strong candidate for suicide?

[FakeNoose]

25. I believe so, and I posted it immediately on DU

A lot of DUers are posing crazy theories, but I think Epstein knew he'd never get out. Especially after bail was denied. No doubt his lawyers gave him the bad news, and it's possible that messages were passed to him from family and friends. (not sure about that)

[bluedigger]

27. Yes.

Abandoned by friends and family, subject to public ridicule and scorn, and faced with a dangerous future behind bars, with no hope for parole. He had nothing worthwhile left to live for as he saw it.

[UniteFightBack]

39. And it's a big FUCK YOU to the prosecutors/investigators. nt

[whathehell]

51. Does he even HAVE any family?...Only high profile perp I've ever seen

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who's had absolutely NO one who claims him -- Parents are likely dead, but no brothers, sisters, cousins, nothing.

[Siwsan]

52. He has one brother, named Mark

I think he is in real estate.

[whathehell]

53. Not granting any interviews, I guess..

..'Can't imagine why.

[wasupaloopa]

29. Yes he had nothing but misery to look forward to

[rampartc]

30. his way out would be to combine lawyers and corruption, not suicide.

the real Epstein is not dead, but some one sure is.

[njhoneybadger]

32. No, people like tRump and Epstein always believe they can find a way out

He still had a chip and a chair

[HAB911]

33. I have not seen the body

[cwydro]

46. We never saw bin Laden's body either.

You think he’s alive?

[HAB911]

65. no idea

[Cracklin Charlie]

34. Yes.

Seemed like a control freak. Control over even the end.

[kcr]

35. Absolutely.

He seems like exactly the type of narcissist who would kill himself rather than face the consequence of what he's done.

[eShirl]

36. it was the only control the control freak had left

[UniteFightBack]

38. He needed 3 orgasms a day and not by his own 'hand'...this was his way out. Protection, perhaps

he also thought this would help protect his co conspirators...???? Pure speculation on my part. But I'm not buying any of these movie script wild theories.

[maxsolomon]

40. Of course he does.

Suicide avoids punishment and protects his friends.

Get a grip, DU.

[chowder66]

42. "Does he strike you as someone that would commit suicide". He committed suicide. So yes.

"He has lived too good a life to give it all up" yet there he was in jail, that life was gone for him. There was a recent raid on his NY home https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-sex-case-heres-what-the-feds-found-in-his-manhattan-mansion and they found troves of evidence, then the documents were released.

His life was over. Even if he did get out or only get a small penalty the evidence is everywhere now and no one would have wanted to be associated with him going forward.

That is where the narcissism angle comes in. Everyone would have stopped contact with him to save their skin or in disgust. Narcissists need people to feed off of. His food supply would have stopped and he knew it.

[Niagara]

43. To be honest

I don't care if the pedophile died from his own hand or not.


If our Democratic leaders want to investigate his death, I will support them in that decision.


What I do care about are the survivors that were subjected to his sickness. I hope that the survivors are able to heal from the pain that this sicko inflicted on them along with available counseling. I also hope that they get fairly compensated since J.E being behind bars for the rest of his life is no longer an option.

[karynnj]

44. Yes,

He was an amoral hedonist, who lived a life of excess connected to money and power. He raped young girls and was involved in sex trafficking.

He was smart enough to know that he would spend the rest of his life in jail with everyone knowing what he was. He knew the rest of his life would be pain.

[cwydro]

47. I absolutely believe he committed suicide.

That doesn’t absolve the prison people from being negligent. But he killed himself.

As others have said, it was the only control he had left.

[Vinca]

48. I can imagine him doing it, but the whole opportunity thing is very suspicious. The removing of a

suicide watch in a matter of days, the removal of the cellmate, the "broken" cameras, staff failing to check him. Something's stinky.

[customerserviceguy]

58. I'm with you

It's either gross incompetence or worse.

[Trenzalore]

49. Hitler shot himself

So did plenty of Nazis when the war crimes trials were going on.

The Trump administration was either massively incompetent (very likely) or they killed him.

Not sure which. Given they are doing the investigation both scenarios will be brushed under the rug.

[FiveGoodMen]

54. Maybe, but that doesn't answer...

Why was he taken off of suicide watch?

Why isn't there video to prove it one way or the other?

[bdamomma]

62. Yes, why was he

taken off suicide watch??? That's what bothers me, don't they need someone like a psychiatric evaluation to assess someone like that. No one was watching him either WHY?

I keep on reading that Bill Barr visited him hush hush. Well he knew where the bodies were buried, I truly believe information will be leaking out and the world is better off without this pedophile. But there is tRump, I bet there is a lot of information being hidden, Barr knows. Where is Epstein's woman friend who did the recruiting???

[lanlady]

56. Yes

He wasn't stupid - he probably realized he was going to spend the rest of his life behind bars in extreme discomfort.

[Crunchy Frog]

59. Apparently he didn't strike the prison administration as such.

Or else he did.

[Kingofalldems]

60. No.

[SweetieD]

61. No. He was a sociopath and possibly psychopath. It would be like Orange Foolius doing it. It

would never happen ever. I have worked with to many sociopaths over the years. They are completely delusional and no matter how bad a situation is they think nothing bad will happen to them.

[NCLefty]

63. I have no idea. And neither does anyone else here.

[Raine]

64. No way! nt

[LeftInTX]

66. Yes...If in prison...and exposed as a pedophile.