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The media spin has begun! (Original Post) Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 OP
LOL Iliyah Jul 2019 #1
Good grief. Predictable but still sad. underpants Jul 2019 #2
Yep, here comes the M$M bullshit. ooky Jul 2019 #3
They ignore the words and import of the testimony as they ignore the words of the Report. The FredSanderson Jul 2019 #10
Well said! Anon-C Jul 2019 #35
What a surprise. jalan48 Jul 2019 #4
But there's also this: The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #5
agree, here's a couple more as well from BBC & Huffpost onetexan Jul 2019 #32
As Expected. spanone Jul 2019 #6
Interesting post. Kingofalldems Jul 2019 #7
I turned off NBC as soon as Chuck Todd spoke. Tech Jul 2019 #8
Me Too BlueIdaho Jul 2019 #12
CNN is nailing Dotard to the wall mcar Jul 2019 #9
It's Not Spin. jayfish Jul 2019 #11
A debacle? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #23
Which hearing were you watching? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #29
The One Where Robert Mueller... jayfish Jul 2019 #37
A lot of folks on DU SCantiGOP Jul 2019 #13
+1000, MSNBC and CNN are going to report things we don't like! Nt USALiberal Jul 2019 #20
True. And they want Mueller to be like Barr, except slanted to the left, as well StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #25
And I remember when Obama was extremely disliked on DU because NYC Liberal Jul 2019 #30
I have friends who were curious that he didn't govern like Trump StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #34
Just stop with the both sides stuff... Joe941 Jul 2019 #40
The same pundits that cautioned against high expectations are screaming "disaster" now Blaukraut Jul 2019 #14
Huh? jayfish Jul 2019 #15
In the weeks leading up to today pundits cautioned not to expect too much today Blaukraut Jul 2019 #19
"In the weeks leading up to today pundits cautioned not to expect too much today" jayfish Jul 2019 #26
Maybe I'm dim, but I'm not getting this "disaster" depiction at all. Vinca Jul 2019 #16
"Republicans engaged in character assassination, hyperbole and falsehoods." jayfish Jul 2019 #22
Thankfully, no one argued it would be a treat. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #36
"Begun"? They've tried to take the wind out of the sails for days. nt live love laugh Jul 2019 #17
chuck fuck todd called the optics 'a disaster' spanone Jul 2019 #18
Apparently the lack of drama and fireworks. PA Democrat Jul 2019 #21
The media wanted a John Dean or Alexander Butterfield DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #24
It's true that it wasn't very good TV - no fireworks; nothing unexpected. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #33
Fuck Brian Williams "a televised disaster." PA Democrat Jul 2019 #27
Disingenuous. jayfish Jul 2019 #31
Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans don't watch DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #38
Not at all. Williams was characterizing the entire hearing as a PA Democrat Jul 2019 #39
I wasn't expecting anything out of this calguy Jul 2019 #28
 

FredSanderson

(27 posts)
10. They ignore the words and import of the testimony as they ignore the words of the Report. The
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:30 PM
Jul 2019

focus is on appearance, people! Ignore the crimes of Trump! Please?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,578 posts)
5. But there's also this:
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:22 PM
Jul 2019
Mueller testifies his investigation did not exonerate Trump on obstruction -https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/robert-mueller-testimony-congress-n1033156

Mueller declares his Russia report did not exonerate Trump https://www.apnews.com/94323cfc164c4759ba6bf84ad2a46203

Mueller testifies report did not exonerate Trump; president could be charged with obstruction once he leaves office https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsel-robert-mueller-testify-capitol-hill/story?id=64508660

These headlines seem to be dominating the news.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
12. Me Too
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:33 PM
Jul 2019

WTF is wrong with the M$M? I watched the hearing and thought it was damning to Trump. Mueller did exactly what he said he would do. He re-enforced the report. But he also did say 1.The reason he did not indict was the DOJ opinion that no president can be indicted. And 2.Once a President is out of office they can be indicted, charged, and convicted of obstruction. That’s good enough for me.

jayfish

(10,037 posts)
11. It's Not Spin.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:33 PM
Jul 2019

This was a fucking debacle. If I was a conspiratorial type I'd say Mueller was chosen for this very day. His best days are well past him.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
23. A debacle?
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jul 2019

Seriously?

I don't know what you were expecting, but it sounds like you were expecting something that was never going to happen.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,578 posts)
29. Which hearing were you watching?
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:51 PM
Jul 2019

I didn't get that impression at all. I saw what I was expecting to see - Mueller stuck to his original promise that he wouldn't deviate from the text of the report. He didn't get all Incredible Hulk, which seems to have disappointed a lot of people, but it shouldn't because he did exactly what he said he was going to do.

jayfish

(10,037 posts)
37. The One Where Robert Mueller...
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 01:33 PM
Jul 2019

stuttered and stammered for four hours, refused to even read his own words and let Republican talking points lie.

SCantiGOP

(13,862 posts)
13. A lot of folks on DU
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:33 PM
Jul 2019

Want all media to be like FOX, except slanted to the left. To listen to many frequent posters here, you would think that all of the media is pro-Trump, even when they are merely giving both sides of the story.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
30. And I remember when Obama was extremely disliked on DU because
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:52 PM
Jul 2019

he was not essentially a liberal version of Trump.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
34. I have friends who were curious that he didn't govern like Trump
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 01:11 PM
Jul 2019

Instead of catering only to the MAGA crowd, doing only what the far left wing of the party wanted - and trashed him whenever he behaved like he thought he represented the entire country, not just them.

Now, whenever they complain about Trump, I remind them.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
14. The same pundits that cautioned against high expectations are screaming "disaster" now
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:38 PM
Jul 2019

I'm getting whiplash.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
19. In the weeks leading up to today pundits cautioned not to expect too much today
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:45 PM
Jul 2019

And as the hearing pretty much unfolded as we were told - Mueller sticking to his report; not going beyond anything that was within the 400 odd pages; evading and declining to answer otherwise; - that same group of pundits are declaring the event a disaster and disappointment.

jayfish

(10,037 posts)
26. "In the weeks leading up to today pundits cautioned not to expect too much today"
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:49 PM
Jul 2019

And they were right. Some might say, myself included, it was a disaster. Two followed one.

Vinca

(50,236 posts)
16. Maybe I'm dim, but I'm not getting this "disaster" depiction at all.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:43 PM
Jul 2019

No one expected Mueller to say, "Yes, you're right, if I had been able to I would have indicted Trump." I thought Mueller was calm and dignified and the Democrats asked meaningful questions and cited the his report. Republicans, on the other, engaged in character assassination, hyperbole and falsehoods. They didn't shake the bottom line verdict of the report at all.

jayfish

(10,037 posts)
22. "Republicans engaged in character assassination, hyperbole and falsehoods."
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jul 2019

And Mueller let it all stand with "I'm not going to answer that". Hooray, what a treat.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
21. Apparently the lack of drama and fireworks.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jul 2019

is more important than the facts.

Even MSNBC is is spouting the same theme.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
24. The media wanted a John Dean or Alexander Butterfield
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:48 PM
Jul 2019

moment. That was never going to happen because the PURPOSE of the Judiciary hearing was to educate Americans on what was in the Mueller Report. I think it accomplished that purpose.

My only surprise was that Mueller was as much as a hands-off supervisor as he apparently was, but it makes me understand why he asked to bring his deputy, who actually handled the day-to-day operations, along.

I expect lots more Dems to now come out for an impeachment inquiry.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,578 posts)
33. It's true that it wasn't very good TV - no fireworks; nothing unexpected.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 01:06 PM
Jul 2019

Too many people expect everything to be like TV.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
27. Fuck Brian Williams "a televised disaster."
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:50 PM
Jul 2019

The disaster is the media's abject failure to pursue educating the public about the facts. Flashy trumps honesty.

jayfish

(10,037 posts)
31. Disingenuous.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:55 PM
Jul 2019

CNN and MSNBC have been "educating the public about the facts" on this for two+ years. It was a televised disaster.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
39. Not at all. Williams was characterizing the entire hearing as a
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 01:59 PM
Jul 2019

failure for the Democrats. I don't argue that SOME of the MSNBC hosts, SOME people on CNN have attempted to educate the public, but if the American people had been watching and listening all along, we would not be where we are today. But personally even MSNBC needs to stop their extensive coverage of the outrageous tweet of the day.

So for people who have not been tuning in or God forbid have not actually READ the Mueller report, THOSE people most likely won't watch the hearings today and will rely on the one-liners offered by the likes of Brian Williams and Chuck Todd. "A televised disaster"- that was their summary. Nothing about the FACTS that were presented to the American people because the last time I checked THAT was stated intention of the hearings.

As someone who has read the entire report, I thought that the Democrats did as best as they possibly could to bring forward the FACTS of the investigation given the challenges they faced. The Republicans used their entire allotted time in an attempt to SMEAR Mueller. THAT should have been the takeaway, not the lack of fireworks.



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