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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy heart is breaking for my town tonight.
I live less than 3 miles from that building full of chanting Nazis. What fools they are. Ignorant fools. They think this is one big social. They may as well be chanting "take our democracy". They are as stupid as 1930s Germany. Unbelievable. I served in the Navy to protect our democracy. This is something I never dreamed I would ever see. This sucks.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)I can only imagine what the remaining WW2 veterans must think.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)You just have to change the name from Jew to any person who is not lily white. I wonder when they are going to propose test for the determination of racial purity. I know I am old and not totally up to date. But, I remember when we had Civics classes. We had to be acquainted with the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights. How bills were formulated and passed through the congress, etc. At least we had to have a working knowledge of government. Do they still have these requirements? I have assumed that it would be the normal practice. I am going to check with my grandkids.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)it wasn't mandatory but nearly everyone took it. We also had "social studies" almost every grade, and that covered history and a little civics.
I don't think it's covered much now.
Also, so many people have done the 23&Me or Ancestry, that a dictator would just seize those records. Of course, those companies have probably already sold the info to the government.
MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)I remember when the motherfucker invaded my city last year. It was such a violation. No other way to describe it.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)Around $12,000 and some change as I understand it. We will never see it.
madaboutharry
(40,209 posts)Who are these people? What is it that would cause them to support this lowlife and chant Send her back?
It makes me sick and depressed.
slumcamper
(1,606 posts)ooky
(8,922 posts)at a damn football game. To come and chant that a woman who is representing and exercising the most American values of democracy should be deported for doing so. This shows that they haven't got a clue about what democracy is or what that flag they are waving stands for. This is so sad.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)lunatica
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Trump serves the purpose of entertaining them like the Romans watching gladiators kill each other and seeing Christians get eaten by lions. The Emperor thought they would love him, but they served no purpose.
If they cant do what it takes to get good work, like go to free Junior College, and just sit around blaming others for their failures you think hes going to motivate them to act like an army with his clown show? Sure he whips up their hate, but if you look at the crowds behind him they arent angry or upset. Theyre ecstatic, riding the high of their lives. Thats their addiction.
And if you look at them you can see theyre too old too. They sit behind him with bizarre grins, looking at the back of his head while he speechifies to the audience in front of him. Theyre like trained monkeys, throwing feces at each other.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)They're having FUN! Just because they're old, lazy and stupid, however, does not make them harmless. There's a lot of potential damage that can result from mob mentality.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)blobs of protoplasm, but.... there WILL BE violent mobs...
Think where all this is going.
violent words and actions becoming more acceptable
acting out...
a good chance trump stays in power
senate?
LEO.. which is basically right wing to begin with..
military..ditto
fascists continuing their taking over the courts
gov agency heads all belonging to 'the MAGA Party'
nat emergency
martial law
feel free to add the obvious.....
lunatica
(53,410 posts)in the mix. But that same potential is in all of us simply because we belong to the human race. Can he incite real damage in the name of himself? Im pretty skeptical about that. Its more likely that isolated nuts will become violent, just as the few examples so far. But to convince 40% of Americans to shoot their liberal neighbors is pretty unlikely.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)but were not there yet. Though I fear that kind of history can repeat itself. Unless we stop it before we get that far. Im talking about todays world. Tomorrow depends on what we do today.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)so that aspect remains invisible
it's much harder to imagine this crap if you're only checking fox once in a while to see what they're doing. turn on any political talk station and there's a 20-1 chance it's RW and limbaugh has been leading all the national and local blowhards all on regular attacks of AOC and omar. and why wouldn't russians be calling those shows to stir things up?
if dems want to get their back boycotts of all RW radio and protests at the universities that support them will be highly offensive to the cons
Dulcinea
(6,629 posts)"Hell, make em cry, make em laugh, make em think youre their weak erring pal, or make em think youre God-Almighty. Or make em mad. Even mad at you. Just stir em up, it doesnt matter how or why, and theyll love you and come back for more. Pinch em in the soft place. They arent alive, most of em, and havent been alive in twenty years. Hell, their wives have lost their teeth and their shape, and likker wont set on their stomachs, and they dont believe in god, so its up to you to give em something to stir em up and make em feel alive again. Just for half an hour. Thats what they come for. Tell em anything. But for Sweet Jesus sake dont try to improve their minds.
--Robert Penn Warren, "All the King's Men"
madaboutharry
(40,209 posts)I think that is about right.
kimbutgar
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)elocs
(22,569 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Its not a concept that the higher brain grapples with. There is no intellectual explanation to define it or justify it. Sure, words can incite it, but the words are not aimed at creating a thought. Theyre aimed at whipping up one of the strongest emotions people can have. Its easy to see it happening in Trumps rallies. Thanks one reason he has so many rallies. He really thinks he can create an army of raging zombies who will do his bidding. But as we can see his magical powers of persuasion to get his supporters to go forth and smite his enemies doesnt seem to create the mob he wants. One or two deranged killers doesnt make a mob. He wants a mob.
He overestimates his powers.
He needs, like every other dictator in history, the military to support him so they can kill those who fight back. When we see that happen we can worry. But at least so far he only seems to have alienated the military.
bdamomma
(63,845 posts)they just want a Daddy to take care of them,... .a very sick mental case that he is. WTF this has got to stop.
flygal
(3,231 posts)It just sucks. And of course it made international news because of something horribly racist he said.
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)Do you still attend family functions with them?
Initech
(100,068 posts)There's no low, no bottom they won't stoop to. And after tonight, I really fear for Rep. Omar's safety. If something happens to her, it should be treated as an act of war.
ProfessionalLeft
(83 posts)We're already at war. Right now it's a cold war. But it appears to be heating up.
I fear for our democracy.
Seeing them chanting "Send her back" made me violently ill. I just couldn't believe it's gotten this bad.
And unless something is done to stem the tide, it's gonna snowball out of control. To the unthinkable.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)unc70
(6,113 posts)I know how violated we all feel. (I grew up in Eastern NC and spent a lot of time around Greenville.)
dsc
(52,160 posts)It is hard to see what this state has become under Republican, gerrymandered rule. At least we are in the process of digging out.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)That is why people like Nina Turner, Cornell West, et al need to be tuned out. When we have a nominee, regardless of who that person is, ALL of us must give everything we have to electing our nominee President. Our future is truly bleak if we don't do that, anyone who does not recognize that isn't a person that we should waste time with.
Everybody has to come together on our nominee this time no matter who it is. There are too many nitwits who will vote for this prick to take anything for granted. Getting him out is too important.
ancianita
(36,048 posts)Because it's not enough to be right by yourself. You could unite neighbors and others to stand up for the "united" part of United States. The part that allows these right wingers their freedom of speech. But that's all.
Unity never has to mean uniformity. It does mean that, no matter how much we differ, no one will suffer for it.
ooky
(8,922 posts)badhair77
(4,217 posts)They follow him like Parrotheads follow Jimmy Buffet. Crazy. They could use their time and resources to better the world. Instead they follow the orange one so they can chant and wear their red hats. Sad.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Hes their drug of choice. Never disappoints. But other than get their rage fix he doesnt give them a thing. He doesnt even like them and he certainly doesnt respect them.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)It is clear. Look at the long haired blondes behind him. Same ones and plants in the audience.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)I could see that.
Mickju
(1,803 posts)I can't believe it is happening.
Niagara
(7,605 posts)What happened to united we stand?
Thank you for your service, Ooky.
It was just felt like more of a gut punch when I heard that chant coming from my own community. It felt different than the usual magat rallies.
cyndensco
(1,697 posts)Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)I dont understand how there are that many people filled with that much hate.
hobby10113
(51 posts)I remember the one idiot at a Rmoney rally that had a t-shirt on the back that said put white back in the White House.
I feel so sick and disgusted. I just hope some sanity comes back once the orange $hitstain is gone!
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)grinning idiots with beer bellies, wearing shirts that said "I'd rather be Russian than Democrat" Great, send them to Russia.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Republican heaven.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)giving the presidency to the first usurper, proving that anyone CAN become president but also proving SHOULD THEY become president.
Though, it really started with the asshole Newt in 1994. He is one of the most hate-filled people in the US and his cancer has only spread since then, thanks in part, to the internet and flamed with hate rhetoric with radio. Ever since then, the airwaves has been filled with anti-Democratic rhetoric, ad nauseum.
This shit has really been going for 25 years, unrelenting. And the beat goes on...
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Southern Baptist ones, especially.
That's the same outfit that pre-approved Dubya's attack on Iraq in the name of gawd.
PlanetBev
(4,104 posts)As soon as I heard their new send her back chant, I broke into tears 😭. How long can we live with this?
ooky
(8,922 posts)what is it? What is this evil?
Archae
(46,327 posts)Granted, he was just in Milwaukee (about 60 miles south,) just last week.
You'd think he'd prefer being here, being as conservative a town as Sheboygan is.
(Our congresscritter is Glenn Grothman)
There really isn't any place available here in Sheboygan for the crowds Trump attracts.
TeamPooka
(24,223 posts)KPN
(15,643 posts)blame others for everything that feels wrong in their lives. And revel in acting on and seeing those they think are responsible punished to assuage their hatred. Sickening.
Duppers
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My home state has gone to hell. There's now 0 chance that anyone like Al Gore could be elected in the state.
Heartbroken here too.
study war no more
(73 posts)There are two tiny pockets of blue, but the rest is venomous red. I am fortunate to live in the blue speck, but I have to work with a lot of others and it's horrible.
And don't get me started on my own siblings. They are a lost cause.
KPN
(15,643 posts)I wont post source or even this website.
This just needs to be heard.
ooky
(8,922 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)because that's all it is. The attendees come for the show. Like a poster above pointed out, some of them are groupies who follow Trump from "rally" to "rally". Once inside, they know their role and play it. It's just a good old time. Don't take them seriously, if you talk to a rally-goer, ask them a question, then respond with a big belly laugh. It'll make you feel better and drive them crazy.
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)who lived out of his van and traveled from rally to rally.
But the problem here is that they get enhanced media coverage that serves to amplify their numbers beyond what I hope in reality, is much less than depicted. I also hope that showing them would generate more disgust among the population tuning all of this out, than actually helping to rally more closet racists into joining them.
Behind the Aegis
(53,955 posts)I know many of my friends, still there, are not at all happy.
Timmygoat
(779 posts)Trump to bully is actually a coward, too cowardly to join the military and fight in Viet Nam, well my husband did, he was awarded the Bronze Star for bravery, he saved many lives. He later paid for his service in the Delta region by contracting cancer from the Agent Orange, I cared for him with 24 hour nursing till he died.
When I look at the draft dodger in chief it makes me sick, too cowardly to serve, his weapon is calling women names, only people who cannot hit back.
Never forget that his father could not go back to his own country on account of cowardice, he would not serve either. So he went to Canada and ran brothels.
Seems like Trump is continuing a family tradition.
Submariner
(12,503 posts)I served on the diesel-electric boats so we came into port almost weekly. I did not suffer with long patrols as much as the nuke.
During the '60s, and beyond, my nuclear boat brothers of the phin did not surface during their 90 day patrols in boat fast attack and missile boats. Sailors cruising the oceans at 1,000 feet, dead silent, cut off from the world, to deter the USSR.
Not long ago I turned on the TV news to see the traitorous republican senators travel to Moscow to fellate Putin in support of Putin's bitch, Donnie boy Trump. And many of the republicans pols were the draft dodgers of my era. Sickening to watch.
It makes me feel like all those deterrent patrols, and the hundreds, if not thousands, of families destroyed marriages, because of the long long patrols, were not worth it. All that wasted time to now support a racist raping draft dodging f*cking punk coward whose Mommy got him 5 fake bone spur deferments.
ooky
(8,922 posts)What I don't understand is why not all veterans are not screaming and instead supporting this asshat.
elocs
(22,569 posts)to unite and vote for the Democratic candidate, what would it ever take? This will be a starkly, crystal clear election--it's either going to be Trump or whoever is the Democratic candidate, that's it.
What sane person would ever want to see him reelected?
Schmice3
(294 posts)PJMcK
(22,035 posts)As a New Yorker, I've had to watch Trump's shit-show since the 1980s. He's only gotten worse with time and it's unfathomable to me how so many Americans can support him. There is nothing about him that is respectable. Nothing. And yet his followers believe he's divinely inspired!
Too many of our fellow citizens have diseases in the hearts and minds. That sucks.
Bayard
(22,063 posts)But I'm wondering how many of the Nazi kids are just falling in with what their "friends" are doing. Trying to fit in somewhere, when they can't get in with the popular kids.
If you get them alone, I bet a lot of them have no idea what the Holocaust was about.
ooky
(8,922 posts)I'm sure that for many of these people and kids this was just one big social. They don't know their democracy is under attack or that by their own actions they are feeding it.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)Trump is Der Fuhrer, and the chanting drones are willing to shove others into gas chambers .
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)As Werner Hertzog tweeted in 2017 - Dear America: You are waking up, as Germany once did, to the awareness that 1/3 of your people would kill another 1/3, while 1/3 watches.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Piratedog
(256 posts)Sickens me hes in our town and at my university.
However, the city usually votes blue so there is some hope there.
Ohioboy
(3,240 posts)It was a total lie! I just saw the video. He didn't try to stop it at all, in fact he kept it going. Trump disgusts me on so many levels.
mnhtnbb
(31,384 posts)Pitt County--which is where Greenville is located-- that voted for Hillary by 7.6% over that traitorous sack of orange $hit in 2016.
Here are the numbers straight from the NC Board of Elections for Pitt County
Hillary Clinton DEM 41,824 51.94%
Donald J. Trump REP 35,691 44.32%
https://er.ncsbe.gov/?election_dt=11/08/2016&county_id=74&office=ALL&contest=0
They may represent Nazis from elsewhere in the state since there were not enough blue votes to overcome him in 2016. We can change that. Remember Obama won here in 2008.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Id really like to write a letter to the editor about how Greenville has embarrassed the entire state.
I live in a red county too, so I feel your pain.
mnhtnbb
(31,384 posts)and we ALL turn out--regardless of whether the person who comes is our first choice--so we can show the country that those chanting racists do NOT represent NC.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I also went to see the orange abomination; many, many protesters outside, and the rally was sparsely attended. That was back when it seemed impossible he would win, but it still nauseated me.
It was really disgusting, and it wasnt just old people.
ooky
(8,922 posts)that we are a thoughtful and caring and patriotic community, and there are many more of us that reject that shitshow that was on display last night.
ooky
(8,922 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Might be interesting.
ooky
(8,922 posts)and embarrassment. You are still talking about a locality that went for Hillary in 2016 which includes East Carolina University. I've linked an article from the Reflector with some general comments from local leaders about the chanting and its mostly pretty negative, you can read here.
http://www.reflector.com/News/2019/07/18/Rally-chant-spark-outrage-city-leaders-respond.html
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Id forgotten ECU is down there. Kind of like the mountains. Little patches of blue stuck between the red.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)starting my own immigration process - to Canada.
I understand that this is not an easy or simple process. I do have relatives in Canada, however, that would be able to help.
I feel a little bit better today. I want to fight the assholes here. It's my damn country too.