What happened to all of the "Nancy Pelosi is weak" and "Impeach NOW or ELSE!" threads?

[EffieBlack]

A couple of weeks ago, this board was inundated with them. Now, Poof! Gone.

Where’d they all go? Did Speaker Pelosi do or say something that got folks off her back?

Or is there only so much “outrage” to go around and someone else said or did something that shifted all of the fire and ire toward them?

[Srkdqltr]

1. That was so last month.

[brush]

49. Yep, it's Harris' time in the barrel now.

[Bettie]

2. I have accepted that it will never happen

and that we are pretty much done.

I'll vote. I'll work to GOTV, but I have little hope left that any of them will ever see even a tiny bit of consequence for their actions, because our party has chosen to let it all go. Apparently, it just isn't important enough to those in power.

[marlakay]

21. Feel same way and its sad

I think America when you see that most votes doesn’t get a win just feels like why try.

Many times I have knocked on doors and had young people answer and say why bother nothing changes on both sides, i always say our side isn’t as bad, not in those words but lately I am tripping over what to say.

Most people here in Ireland think he is going to win again, and they understand that most votes isn’t how it works. People are highly educated here. Funny they know all about our politics but not where Oregon my state is, I have to say above CA.

[Nevermypresident]

30. Ditto

[Nay]

43. As have I. After years of being told that TPTB are engaging in 11-dimensional chess/we

can't know what TPTB know/we should wait while experienced ppl deal with a problem, etc., and then find out they hadn't planned or done ANYTHING to address the problem except keep their powder dry, I am resigned to waiting out this whole nightmare. Certainly I will vote and donate to my candidate, but I realize that if the people in power don't want to address an issue, there's not a damn thing I can do to make them. I can only hope that a majority of voters will go to the polls and vote this abomination out.

[FoxNewsSucks]

70. They only say that

to stall. It seems to still work with some.

If you want to see actual "11-dimensional chess", look at the actions of billionaires and corporations the last few decades. Exploiting and buying control of all media. Funding think-tanks. Lining up judicial nominees to do their bidding. Meanwhile, Democrats kicked Howard Dean out and failed to support Air America because having the truth on the air (even though far less ubiquitious) combined with the 50-state strategy was working.

Democratic leadership went along with that, just as they find a way to let republicons get their way far too often.

[CrispyQ]

74. +1

If we'd had a true opposition party the last 45 years we wouldn't be in this mess. The dems are complicit in this, even if it's not popular to say. As the GOP took a hard right, the dems drifted rightward, too.

Ignoring hate radio may be the biggest mistake they ever made & they continue to ignore it.

[Nay]

81. Oh, yeah. I'm halfway though the book "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" and I

can say, with some confidence, that we are done. The future that will arrive, whether lots of people or few people live through environmental catastrophe, will be very, very unpleasant.

[Oneironaut]

57. But, we're acting honorably. That's all that matters!

It doesn’t matter if Trump cheats, colludes with Russia, creates concentration camps for “undesirables,” or packs the courts with authoritarian acolytes. The only thing that matters is being as inoffensive as possible. There’s absolutely no chance we’re going to lose in 2020 anyways!

[Bettie]

59. Just like in 2016...

I remember hearing how "She's got this" and "there is no way we'll lose".

And that worked out really, really well.

[treestar]

62. He can be indicted when he's out of office

So let that be a motivator.

[Bettie]

64. I'm pretty sure that once he's out of office

If he ever leaves at all, the top dog Democrats will say 'Let us begin to heal by pardoning him for everything' and then asking that state charges be dismissed as well in the interest of 'healing'.

I was also pretty sure that Nancy Pelosi would immediately upon being named speaker again, declare impeachment off the table. She used different words this time, but the result is the same.

[treestar]

86. Of course he will leave

People are always making the crazy claim they won't leave.

The Democrats will not go so far as to ask states not to prosecute in the interests of healing. That's just not going to happen.

A Democratic President won't pardon him.

When he's gone, impeachment will be irrelevant.

[Bettie]

88. So far, everything we said "he can't do that"

like not divesting from his holdings or ignoring a SCOTUS ruling...he did it.

I'm assuming that nothing is impossible.

Also, just wait, if the individual many think will be the nominee is the nominee and he wins, he'll pardon him as his first act as president AND ask the states not to prosecute in the name of "moving on" and "healing". If that doesn't happen, I'll be very surprised.

[FoxNewsSucks]

66. It will happen again.

Just wait until the next Democratic president slips up the tiniest little bit.

In fact by then, if the president is a man, just having the FLOTUS strut around nipped out will be sufficient reason to impeach her husband.

Crimes and destruction of democracy, apparently, are insufficient.

[BeyondGeography]

68. One of these is incompatible with the other two

Safe seats, a rigid seniority system and political courage.

[brush]

77. Mueller is testifying on the 17th so that may move things forward.

[hlthe2b]

3. are we pot-stirring today?

[Bettie]

4. Seems like it

but hey, its fun to remind people that criminals get to run the country without any curbs on their behavior!

[cwydro]

6. Wow, sure seems like it.

Maybe got up on the wrong side of the bed...

[demmiblue]

8. Meta threads are the worst type of threads on DU.

I wish hosts had the power to lock them.

Same person/people every time.

[watoos]

5. I see that Democrats who disagree with

Speaker Pelosi's policy are still being labeled anti-Pelosi.

Why don't we get an Independent view?

“While impeachment should be undertaken only in extraordinary circumstances,” wrote Amash, “the risk we face in an environment of extreme partisanship is not that Congress will employ it as a remedy too often but rather that Congress will employ it so rarely that it cannot deter misconduct.”

Justin Amash, former Republican, now the 3rd Independent member of Congress.

[Turin_C3PO]

40. You can criticize Pelosi here.

People do it all the time. But it’s against the Terms of Service on this website to bash Democrats. So I think as long as people stay civil and don’t get into right wing talking points about Pelosi, that posts aren’t deleted.

[egduj]

7. Why impeach when "stern looks" and "strongly worded letters" have been so successful?

[Locrian]

17. not even that re the recent bill...

"I would deeply appreciate your soonest consideration of the proposals contained in the House legislation," Pelosi wrote.

Wow. I guess "strongly worded letters" aren't even in fashion anymore.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/27/politics/border-funding-migrant-crisis-nancy-pelosi-house-senate-bills/index.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/451436-pelosi-presses-trump-to-make-changes-on-treatment-of-migrants-at-border

[DonViejo]

9. Rest easy! Your need to find out where those criticisms are will, most assuredly, bring them

back...either in this thread or OPs yet to be posted today.

[cwydro]

11. So true, no worries.

Those who enjoy divisive squabbling will be rewarded.

For me, I’ll be trashing this thread. Obvious bait.

[watoos]

19. Who is it who is divisive?

I think we need to answer that question before making accusations.

19% of the people were in favor of impeaching Nixon when his hearings began.

[kentuck]

10. Good question!

I think most folks are attempting to practice some patience. At least, until the Mueller testimony is over. Hopefully he will shine more light on the matter.

[Fullduplexxx]

13. No we or i gave up on nancy doing what the constitution says to do in this situation

She (like the right when it came to background checks) is not listening to what the majority of her party wants and is doing things her way and it doesnt matter what the people in the party say.

[kentuck]

15. Why would she do that?

[Fullduplexxx]

18. Yea silly us

[treestar]

63. True. That day we will have a brand

New shiny object !

[Fullduplexxx]

12. Nancy ? Fool me once shame on me fool me twice ... thanks nancy

[SouthernProgressive]

14. The most recent can be found here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212246942

[demmiblue]

16. Lol!

[Tom Rinaldo]

20. It's not always pro or anti Pelosi

nor pro or anti Democrats. There is not a politician (nor personal friend) in America with whom I agree all of the time. I have never called Nancy Pelosi weak. I have made the case for Impeachment. None of us know with certainty how all of this will play out. I fear the consequences, on many fronts, of not moving on Impeachment. I feel the calendar is moving rapidly to the point where no one will still be able to say that "Impeachment remains on the table as an option." The LAST thing that I want is to be proved right that Democrats moved too slow on Impeachment.

My position is known. Is it disappointing that I don't repeat it here daily?

[watoos]

23. Well said,

FDR was a great president, he's on Mt. Rushmore, but I disagree with his internment of Japanese Americans during WW II. I hope that doesn't make me anti-FDR.

[JHB]

28. The Roosevelt on Mt. Rushmore is Teddy.

The design was chosen 8 years before FDR took office, and was completed during his 3rd term.

[watoos]

38. Yes but my point stands,

Americans didn't just write stern letters when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

[stillcool]

22. they'll be back..

probably had the holiday off. Nancy is a lot of people's personal dog to kick.

[watoos]

24. Read my post above yours.

[spanone]

25. How dare any DU'er agree with 81 congresspersons that we should start impeachment inquiry.

The Nerve!!!!

[empedocles]

27. How dare the Impeach Now crowd acknowledge the Dem seasoned expertise

and winning edges the Speaker et al, gives the Dems over the traitortrump WH in the wars to dump trump.

[spanone]

29. An impeachment inquiry is not 'impeach now'.

[Bettie]

32. A lot of the "Never Ever Impeach"

crowd seem to think opening an impeachment inquiry means that it goes immediately to the Senate, and McConnell declares Spanky innocent of everything within an hour.

[TwilightZone]

54. I haven't seen a single instance of that assertion.

I've seen plenty of comments asserting that it's dead in the Senate, which is more than likely accurate. I have seen no one assert that an inquiry immediately goes to the Senate.

Hyperbole only works if there's a hint of truth to it. In this case, there is none.

[Bettie]

55. Right, the second someone brings up an inquiry

people immediately go to "Well, there will be no conviction in the senate, so no point of even trying". If you haven't seen it, you've never even bothered to look.

[empedocles]

39. An Impeachment inquiry gives trump much more to his ammunition rhetoric than

mere investigations which cover the same ground in questioning and information discovery and revelations.

[Bettie]

41. He's already crowing about how innocent he is

and well, congress is getting NOTHING. Literally nothing...investigations absent any relevant documents or witnesses are, well, entirely useless.

But hey, at least they get the fun of election season where Trump will say at every campaign stop that Mueller exonerated him and even Nancy couldn't find a single reason to impeach him, which shows, of course, how utterly innocent he is.

It will be super fun, right?

[empedocles]

47. 'IMPEACHMENT' is a much louder, victimizing word for trump's use than investigations.

One can say the NY AG is getting nothing, as well as other state AG's, and prosecutors and all there various investigations are getting nothing - they are moving. Various court decisions are coming along - and 'con voters are coming along; young evangelicals in a nearby thread, seniors in threads a few weeks back.

As they say in football games, it's too soon to go for 'the big one'/the Hail Mary. It's a long electoral season.

We should also take notice that it's the 'cons who know impeachment is inevitable who want it sooner, the Dem pro's want the fundamentals, information and processes to play out, and get maximum voter support which is still needs developing.

[Bettie]

48. So, once we're at 110% of Republicans on board

we might have a shot at it? Maybe, if 100% of Dems are also on board? Maybe then?

Nah, probably not.

[empedocles]

50. General elections, 2018, 2020 included, are won by the midde voters.

Those 2018 absolutely crucial Dem 20, formerly trump seats, were won by middle voters.

That is why Dems targeting necessarily centrist voting Members and candidates is not 'advisable'. Some here just refuse to get that fundamental knowledge.

[Bettie]

51. So, centrists are

all that matter, because people on the Left have no other options.

Got it.

[Bettie]

52. Also, glad to know that

no one from the Left of what is now center (and used to be slightly liberal Republican) voted or mattered in 2018!

I voted, sorry to hear that my vote was neither needed nor wanted by our new 'centrist' party.

[lsewpershad]

42. Maybe all that

was pushed by bots to drive a wedge among dems.

[standingtall]

44. this would be an appropiate thread if Pelosi were now calling for an impeachment inquiry

but she is not. If the Mueller testimony before congress gives us anything than it will look even worse for refusing impeach Trump.

[EffieBlack]

46. Just asking what in the last 2 weeks caused the "Pelosi is weak" threads to come to a grinding halt

[Gothmog]

84. Impeachment without 20 GOP senate votes is a stunt that will hurt democrats

[Brainfodder]

45. Waiting for closer to the election, so it is fresh at election time?

[stonecutter357]

53. " he's just not worth it" , House Speaker Nancy Pelosi . Impeachment is not going to happen !

[USALiberal]

56. Where did this come from? nt

[Generic Other]

58. Many of us just call Speaker Pelosi's office everyday

Does more good than posting to DU and being mocked.

[treestar]

60. Why so many board call out threads?

As usual we are distracted by other shiny objects that came along. Now the congressional investigations can have a chance to get somewhere on it perhaps.

[Blue_true]

61. A more target rich environment presented itself to concern trolls or real trolls, or ratfuckers. nt

[Hekate]

69. Possibly taking turns thumping Biden and Harris. It gets ooooold.

[matt819]

65. I think it's an outrage thing

Nothing is working. The white supremacist that currently calls the WH home is, it seems, unstoppable. No matter what he says or does is slurped up by his cult with absolutely no push-back. Hell, it's slurped up - with requests for more - by republican legislators. Every single one of his cabinet secretaries - including the actings - is unqualified and unhinged. The rule of law applies only to underlings. Not to trump and not to those cabinet secretaries and acting secretaries.

Dems and those of us in the reality-based universe condemn and mock. Charlie Pierce, Paul Krugman, Charles Blow, Timothy Egan - and scores of others mock and condemn and lament. But nothing happens.

AOC and Elizabeth Warren write heart-wrenching accounts of what they saw at the concentration camps, and nothing happens. Private FB groups of border patrol members document the hatred, contempt, and white supremacy that they have toward immigrants and asylum seekers. And nothing happens.

Calls for Pelosi to impeach - or, hell, just to do something - result in. . . nothing. You wanna know what will come from Mueller's testimony? Nothing.

So, sure, the threads calling for action might be falling (if in fact they are), but there's a reason. Nothing happens. And now we have Democratic candidates discussing school busing. School busing FFS. And trump then comments on, well, that's a way to get to school, so what's the big deal. And, yes, he's a fucking moron. And we all have a good laugh. And then what? Nothing happens.

And now we're all saying, well, we'll have to vote him out next year. Great. That might work. But not when the Democratic Party looks like a giant clown car of candidates. And what if it doesn't work? What if the republicans have gamed the system to the extent that they can repeat 2016? Then what? And what if the Dems lose their majority in the House and the balance of power doesn't change in the Senate? Then the very idea of push-back is a fantasy. Impeachment? Might has well take the word out of the dictionary.

[Nay]

67. Agreed. If stopping this absolute moron is this hard, there's something wrong with

the system -- whether the problem is the Constitution, the gerrymandering, the hesitant Dems, the Supreme Court, the vote stealing, the "clown car" of Dems, the voters' exasperation with what's going on, or a combination of all these -- many of us are out here saying "WTF" to ourselves.

There is truly nothing that can be done in a timely manner about a seriously unfit president? Really? Then we have bigger problems than the next election, because even if a Dem wins, the crazies only have to wait 4 years to start the craziness all over again, as they use the 4 years to expand their stranglehold on the states.

[matt819]

73. You said it more succinctly than I did

But that was the point I think I was trying to make.

Add to this the shocking reality that there is nothing this buffoon could do to shake the faith of his cult followers. Nothing.

Airports in 1775? No problem.

Tanks in DC? Okay.

Concentration camps? What took so long?

Overt corruption? What's new?

Incompetence? Well, what did we expect?

Farmers hurt in trade wars but still supporting Trump? Well, gosh, of course they do!

Saber rattling in Iran? They wear rags on their heads.

Embracing dictators? Well, sure, who wouldn't?

Pissing off allies? Well, of course, as long as those allies include the French.

Overturning all environmental protections? Who needs clean air and water anyway? Certainly not brown or black people.

And on and on and on.

And, as you say, if it's so hard to stop this moron, there's something seriously wrong with the system and with us as a nation.

[Nay]

83. I agree totally with your point and was reinforcing it. And for other people in the

thread, it's good for both of us to say very similar things, because I honestly have no idea why this is so hard to grasp. The nutters have spent 40 years worming their way into everything, and WE are weird for pointing out the dangers and wondering why the Dem leadership hasn't seen this all along??

Hey, I'm fairly intelligent, but surely the Dems have smart folks, too -- why are they so blind to all the obvious problems and illegalities with the Pubs all these years? We could go on and on, listing the stuff that has been ignored. The 2000 election, where Pub operatives stopped the Florida vote count. How the Pubs have dominated the airwaves.

Some of us have come to the conclusion that, for whatever internal reasons, things aren't going to change much. We're depressed about that. We want to voice it here to relieve some of the anxiety of our realizations. And we get told that so-and-so knows what he is doing. That another so-and-so also is very experienced and will do the right thing. After all these years, we can't rely on that anymore.

[treestar]

87. This conditions at the border camps have to be taken to court

It's not TV where things happen within the hour. Congress can't do anything as the Senate won't pass and Hair Fuehrer won't sign. The Administration can only be stopped by the courts, and has been several times.

[JI7]

72. the News of Mueller coming before Congress

[stopbush]

75. Perhaps it's too depressing to realize that not even defying the SCOTUS,

rolling tanks in the streets and abusing children in concentration camps is not enough to warrant an impeachment inquiry, even when stacked on top of all the other crimes.

Eventually, people give up.

Thanks, D leadership!

[Goodheart]

76. You take our frustration to mean that Madame Pelosi is correct?

Or that we now admit she was correct?

Think again.

It's more like getting tired of beating your head against a wall.

[kacekwl]

78. Eventually you get tired of

talking to yourself. Written the letters , made the calls bout all I can do until we meet in the street.

[pnwmom]

82. I'm waiting for Mueller to appear. Also, the Senate Intelligence Committee report

is supposed to be released in sections, starting next week.

[Caliman73]

85. Pelosi's reach extends to DU.....

She is silencing threads just like she is singlehandedly defeating any movement on impeachment

I do see an occasional Pelosi sucks response in threads about something that "Trump has done and is getting away with..." but you are right, the threads devoted to how horrible she is or how disappointed people are seem to have diminished quite a bit.

[customerserviceguy]

89. We're too busy tussling over the debates now

More attention paid to impeachment is less attention paid to Democratic candidates.