So yelling at Dems for not stopping the madness is a natural response and I get it, I do

[Eliot Rosewater]

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but you do realize NOTHING can be done if one of two political parties controls EVERYTHING other than the House, who just illegally won a case in SC allowing them to ILLEGALLY gerrymander so the problem will get WORSE not better.

And said party who controls WH, Senate, DOJ and SC, decides NOT to obey the law, NOT to acknowledge subpoenas etc.

They are traitors, they are criminals and ALL OF THEM should be in jail, but we cant do JACK especially if a traitor, a literal TRAITOR is running the DOJ and the WH.

TELL ME what they can do other than impeachment hearings because I am all for that, but you do understand Nancy is not an idiot, she fears losing districts in red states that we won that we probably will lose if we impeach. HOUSE seats are very different from the other stuff.


But what ELSE can they do?

This is a good article, someone pointed out

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/nancy-pelosi-public-opinion-and-timing-matter/591385/

[wasupaloopa]

1. I feel like saying just what you did when ever there

is one of those OPs that blame Dems for the mess because they aren’t doing anything.

It is so convenient ignore what is going on around you

Dems are doing a hell of a lot more than when they were the House minority.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Here I am waiting for suggestions, so far not one.

I wonder how many House seats we lose if we impeach, Nancy has done the math I assume.

I still want to do it, because if we do it right and expose the worst crimes in our history, it might save the country.

But short of physical actions there is NOTHING else the Dems can do.

[MineralMan]

4. That's the worry. And that's why there aren't enough votes in the House

for any impeachment action. There's no point to starting such a thing if it can't even be passed in the House.

Nancy Pelosi always knows how the Democratic members will vote. That's her special talent.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. GOP has openly admitted the rule of law, constitution etc no longer mean anything to them

Now I said this about them TEN years ago, but now it is in the open.

If the KGB steals the election again we have ONE choice and we both know what that is.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

18. I don't see why opening an impeachment inquiry is problematic

It will either convince people that it should happen- or it doesn't. If we wait for some of the fence-sitters to get off the fence, it may never happen- or if it does- it might wind up being too late. I wonder what exactly the fence sitters are waiting for Trump to do before deciding to get off the fence?

[wasupaloopa]

17. No the Dems can help us win in 2020. It is a sad day when you need to win the hand

yet someone else is in control of the deal.

When it all washes out all Dems and not only Dems can do is defeat them at the ballot box.

Impeachment will be seen as a partisan Dem attempt to hurt trump and not as a moral thing to do. We do not live in that world at this time. We can get back there if we win in 2020.

[MineralMan]

3. Exactly. This comes up almost daily.

I think there are many people who simply do not understand how this country is governed. More's the pity.

[kacekwl]

5. Well for starters they could all take a trip to

these concentration camps camera and press in tow . Show the American people exactly what trump and his goons are doing. Put it on the news on face the fucking nation. Address the nation and forceably ask questions and demand answers from republican lawmakers . Ask them if they support this policy this treatment of children and women. Get them all on the record as to where they stand. Then show trump the footage they have and have him explain his view. Do not let him leave until he gives answers not just rambling words. Then compile this all together in a series of ads to run non stop . Then do the same for all his love for Putin, Kim, MDS etc. and have him and republicans explain that. Then do the same on how his gritting self and family are making $$$$$ off the government and exactly how much time and money is spent on golf outings to his favorite club. Should I go on ?

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. Good idea, now send an email to your House rep and tell them to do this, I am also

[mcar]

9. Seems like many have done that

[StarfishSaver]

25. They don't all need to go.

Yesterday, a delegation went and that was very impactful.

It's a waste of effort for every Member to go up to one location. That's the point of sending a delegation - the full Congress delegates to a smaller group to go, observe, report back, and draw attention. 200-plus Members showing up anywhere would just create a mess, not to mention that it would be an expensive logistical nightmare.

Traveling Congressional delegates, aka "CODELs" are extremely complicated operations, including military transport, security, staffing, etc. It's more than a notion and it's more involved than just hopping a flight to a location and Ubering over to the site.

They're doing it right by sending a small delegation to get the information and shine a light on what's going on there.

[mcar]

8. Now, now Eliot, it's Tuesday

Bash Democrats day on DU. We can't let logic get in the way.

[kacekwl]

11. Be sarcastic all you want but if the republicans want to get out some message

all they have to do is call up Fox news and the will have all the propaganda coverage they need to keep their rubes in line . As for the rest of the population the MSM is already giving plenty of "news" time for trumps great economy, forgien affair wins and cover for all their other crimes and misderminas. If we want to get "our" message across so people see what is happening then we have to do it ourselves.

[mcar]

12. How does slamming Democrats on DU get "our" message across?

[kacekwl]

13. You call it slamming, I call it

a motivational speach on how to at least give the appearance of fighting the fascists in our government who are destroying my country and yours by the hour. Let's just file lawsuits and threaten subpoenas and as Trump says "Let's see what happens".

[mcar]

16. I guess we just differ, then

If someone called me "impotent," "weak," "spineless," "get off your fucking asses," as in today's main Dem bashing OP on DU, I wouldn't feel motivated.

[kacekwl]

27. I guess not because

when they get the same treatment from their friends on the other side that doesn't motivate them either.

[Gothmog]

10. The House Democrats need help from the courts to enforce these subpoenas

[Nuggets]

14. Yelling at Dems? I don't get it

It’s childish plain and simple.

The situation has been explained and Dems have a path but, these people continue to whine, thus becoming nothing more than an annoying troll AFAIC.

Heaven forbid they aim their rage at Republicans. 🙄

[Wounded Bear]

15. I especially hate when the say "Congress" can't do anything...

Well, shit, how can Congress act when the Repubs are riding the brakes on everything that doesn't involve throwing shitloads of money to rich corporations and people?

[Crunchy Frog]

19. At this point, even just doing some posturing would be worth something.

That's what the Rs do when they're out of power, and it seems to work out quite well for them.

[Stuart G]

20. Pelosi is not new. She has seen a whole lot.

She will do what can be done, and what is best for our party. Those who think she is not doing that, need to take a closer look. No need to get nasty or mad, just take a closer look on what could be done now, and what each move would result in if made. I honestly believe that Nancy Pelosi has already done exactly that.

[Eliot Rosewater]

21. Tell THEM that. Someone has to tell the mountain of people on the left who are NOT hearing

you or me or Nancy.

THIS is the problem, I dont know the answer.

[Stuart G]

22. To understand what Nancy is doing, means that you have to want to know about politics and the way

that things are really done. Most people don't have a clue on that. Why? Because most people don't do the reading that would inform them how things are really done. We have, but what about ..your words, "..mountain of people on the left who are NOT hearing you me or Nancy."
..I would say that "the mountain " does not know how the rain or snow falls. Why? The rain or snow comes out of the sky."..isn't that enough to know?" Knowing how things are really done in Washington and in national politics, takes a lot of time, effort and interest in the subject.
..Many people in the U.S.A. have two jobs, kids to raise, a house to keep up etc.etc. Many people really don't have time to give politics the time we give it. My parents, especially my dad, followed politics since I was aware of it, in the early 50s. He stayed up all night to see if Kennedy was elected, partly because he hated Nixon. Well, I come from a family that follows and enjoys following politics. Not everyone does, and most do not. Many families hate politics, and often the parents think that "They are all the same." so that is taught to the kids. OR, "They are all crooks.". Of course, it is not that simple, but that is one side of it. But this is not a square.. This one has many sides to why most people do not have the time or desire to know the complications and implications of "politics."

[Eliot Rosewater]

23. We dont even have enough DEMOCRATS in the House at this time to impeach, let alone

cons in the Senate.

Now, would an open investigation with hearings and witnesses change that? Only if the witness actually agree to testify truthfully and Nancy knows what Mueller wrote in his report, they either wont testify or they will lie.

What Nancy knows is our system of justice and democracy is not prepared to deal with an entire party unwilling to obey the law.

This is why I say if the KGB steals another election our ONLY option is the streets.

[Stuart G]

24. Maybe taking to the streets is the only answer if the KGB "steals another election"

But for me, 16 months away from the next presidential election, the future is not clear, it is murky, all clogged up. Too far away. So many unexpected things can happen, that I try to live in today, away from the future. Two totally unexpected things have happened in the last 15 years. 1. An Afro-American intellect, Barack Obama, was elected President of the United States, and a total stupid idiot, named Donald Trump, was elected President of the United States. I haven't got a clue. Neither of those two events were events I thought could happen. Neither One...

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. How do we get unhappy people on the left to NOT punish us in case there is no impeachment?

If we can educate them as to why impeachment may not work, while it may be the RIGHT thing to do legally and morally it may be the end of us, etc.

What I see is we are being pitted against each other and the KGB is making this happen by pushing impeachment and using unsuspecting people or KGB agents to do this everywhere on the internet.

In some cases that is what is happening.

ps

pushing polls on us constantly will be another way to divide us