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[47of74]

1. Amen

Time to send my daily nastygram to Congress

[hlthe2b]

2. I'm sick of them not having a PLAN.. I was also infuriated that Rachel didn't ask Nadler

what he was going to do about all those who claimed blanket executive immunity when such doesn't exist (e.g., Hope Hicks and McGahn). Letting them by with this is setting future precedence, damn it!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. Nadler has to do what Pelosi says. Didn't she ream

him out for talking Impeachment.

[quakerboy]

62. Why?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

87. I am starting to think that the majority leaders in House

and Senate have the most power of anyone on Earth. They appear to hold the key to whether or not they get re-elected ?

[ehrnst]

113. Re-elected to leadership or re-elected to office by their constituents?

Perhaps you didn't hear that Pelosi was ready to step down if HRC was POTUS?

Perhaps you didn't hear that she agreed that she will step aside in 2022?

[ehrnst]

218. crickets....

[ehrnst]

116. "Ream him out?"

I hadn't heard that. Do share your source.

Can you tell me what mechanism Pelosi has that prevents Nadler from using his own words?

[thenelm1]

57. The plan

I would like to think they actually have a plan, but the lack of urgency is infuriating. Then again, the big roadblock, unfortunately, seems to be the Senate republicans - the obsequiousness of these mofos to Trump and his dumbf..kery is mindboggling - like wtf? Much as I'm exasperated with the pace of what the House is doing, I believe they realize that nothings getting through the dickhead McTurtle - he's blocked every bill they've passed so far. Has it always been the case where one person can block everything? If so, I think we've found a major flaw in the system.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

86. For a minute, thought you were talking our Dems

In Senate. Not that they have any power, I suppose, but haven't heard really any strong voices of authority speaking out on anything much. I personally feel we are rudderless. No leader.

I really don't think just one person to calling shots, it's two. McConnell and Trump.

[ehrnst]

109. Why do you assume there is no urgency in what Dems are doing?

What would indicate to you that they have the understanding you don't think that they have of how bad things are.

Would having Nancy screaming into a microphone do the trick?

Would having Nancy release a public document concerning their next steps and strategies every week do it?

Do you think that Pelosi going to work every day without publicizing those things to make you feel better would be a good idea or a bad one?

[wryter2000]

138. Obviously...

Nancy is supposed to take a metal pipe to someone who lies to a House committee. Or maybe she's supposed to take them out and hang them. To uphold the Constitution and the rule of law or something.

[lapucelle]

153. It's a talking point. Every few days this storyline gets revived.

Maybe the spinners need a donut.

[ehrnst]

108. Do you expect Democratic leadership to consult you on their plans and strategies?

Or tip their hand in public so that you personally feel less anxious?

[Skittles]

3. it's strange how much repukes do (total bullshit moves) when Democrats are in power

[BigmanPigman]

7. I think it goes back to Newt.

They really kicked it up a notch at that time. Watching old Murphy Brown shows brings it all back to me now...

[dalton99a]

40. +1

[Laura PourMeADrink]

88. Yes! Doesn't really matter to them who is in power

they are evil yet they are immensely savvy. Once in a while there's a dissenter but they are treated like such paraiahs it doesn't matter.

[Eliot Rosewater]

110. One party is willing to lie about everything, break every law, ignore subpoenas and one party

wont.

Someone tell me how you resolve THAT peacefully and legally if one side REFUSES to acknowledge the constitution and laws exist?

Someone tell me how you resolve THAT peacefully and legally if one side REFUSES to acknowledge the constitution and laws exist?

Someone tell me how you resolve THAT peacefully and legally if one side REFUSES to acknowledge the constitution and laws exist?

Someone tell me how you resolve THAT peacefully and legally if one side REFUSES to acknowledge the constitution and laws exist?

[ehrnst]

123. Yes, interesting how some here think that we are the tea party - run the country off a cliff

with obstruction no matter who gets harmed, in order to blame it on Trump.

I thought that we were better than that. The responses in the thread make me wonder.

[Eliot Rosewater]

136. Well, TBH personally I think it is time for PHYSICAL ACTION in the streets, but our

congress members cant do that, WE have to.

You know, we are NEVER going back to normal. NEVER

It will take 4 years alone just to restore the actual government itself to a working entity, let alone going back to holding politicians responsible for crimes, lying etc.


I see no way out of this short of civil unrest.

[ehrnst]

144. So what do you think that Congress can be expected to do?

And I think that civil unrest on the scale that you are talking about - with violence - will be an excuse for DT to call martial law.

He's looking for a reichstag fire, especially if impeachment hearings start.

[Eliot Rosewater]

145. Impeachment hearings is the ONLY thing they can do and when they do that

witnesses will refuse to testify, so there is nothing but I think they have to try.

[ehrnst]

149. So, they're just wasting time in all those investigations?

And you're happy with the idea that Trump is known to lash out when he feels cornered, even though we might not have everything that we need yet to throw the book at him?

[Eliot Rosewater]

175. Well, witnesses with proof of the crimes refuse to testify just like when Mueller called them

they simply lied to him, he couldnt seem to do anything about it.

I am all for ANY and all investigations including impeachment.

AT the SAME time lets be real, if they control the DOJ and so on, and they no longer care about the law, I dont see anything coming of it but NOT because the dems are doing anything wrong, which is why I dont want people whining at them.

The problem is 45 million people and the GOP are lawless and are acting out a civil war against us and we, collectively, have yet to realize it.

[ehrnst]

186. Armchair quarterbacks ALWAYS know the winning play...(nt)

[Eliot Rosewater]

188. I said they have to try..is that what you are referring to as armchair?

I have said over and over Nancy knows something we dont.

AT the same time, we are about to bubble over into a total meltdown and as dumb as it would be there are people who will pull support from our candidates if they view the party as weak.

I am not saying they are right, i am saying we are hearing this from MANY people on our side. At some point that must be taken into consideration.

[ehrnst]

192. Who are the "many people on our side" that you are talking about? (nt)

[Eliot Rosewater]

195. It is all over this board, isnt that why we are talking about it?

Are we or are we not seeing MANY people who would vote for Democrats whining about Nancy not impeaching?

We are, of course, it is what ALL of this is about. Some arent who they say they are but only a small number.

They are NOT RIGHT, they are WRONG, that is not my point.

But they are everywhere, demanding impeachment.

Every fellow liberal friend of mine says the same thing IMPEACH now. I try and tell them the reasons that might be a bad move, but ALL of them.

[ehrnst]

196. "Many" angry armchair quarterbacks do not equal one experienced, professtional coach in judgement

let alone override that coach.

Yes, the "fans" think it's about them. For the coach, it's about doing the best with what they have, not taking a poll of the fans.

Why even bother having a coach if it's the point is about doing what the fans DEMAND you do to do, play by play?

[Eliot Rosewater]

197. But you have to acknowledge a whole bunch of people are talking like this, again they are NOT

right, they dont understand the situation but if they dont vote for us, we are done

That is why I have called it a lose lose for Nancy and all of us if it continues.

[ehrnst]

200. Maybe a whole lot of people in swing states will cause any Democratic Senator to lose

if they vote for an impeachment that actually won't reduce his time in office by a single minute.

I trust Speaker Pelosi on this more than "a whole bunch of people on DU" to know the path to take that preserves this democracy, and that includes us taking the Senate.

[Eliot Rosewater]

204. I assume everyday someone on her staff or Dem house staffer or member is bringing up

EXACTLY what I am saying, and they are weighing out the pros and cons.

I assume they spend much of their time ACKNOWLEDGING the ton of people who are not as patient as they are and that is what I am doing with this discussion.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/nancy-pelosi-public-opinion-and-timing-matter/591385/'''

maybe these people not so patient will read this

[ehrnst]

205. Which is good.

I never said that they didn't ACKNOWLEDGE public opinion - which includes Red state voters. Pelos has said that 'bipartisan support" was one of the conditions of impeachment.

I said that she didn't let it drive the the decisionmaking process. Last I heard, the majority of voters were in favor of continued investigation, but not impeachment.

[watoos]

178. Bash the Tea party all you want,

it flipped 64 House seats in 2010.

[ehrnst]

185. Why does a positive response to having one's talking points compared to the TeaParty's

not surprise me one bit?

[Skittles]

170. why doesn't the other party hold them accountable?

[Eliot Rosewater]

172. HOW?

[Skittles]

177. beginning impeachment hearings would be a start

but, since repukes were never held accountable for starting a war based on lies, I doubt that is going to happen

[Eliot Rosewater]

182. Agree on impeachment hearings but the people with the evidence are going to refuse

to testify and the DOJ will not force them

So I get why NANCY is focusing on the ONLY thing she thinks she has some control over, the election. Control as in winning

[ehrnst]

190. How does this hold "them" accountable?

And nice little shiv to Pelosi... Different POTUS, different situation, but hey let's use this as "proof" she is against impeachment as a principle, and therefore license to scapegoat her for every anxiety...



So, you have no other definition of "holding THEM" whoever that includes "ACCOUNTABLE."

Lemme guess - going to Wisconsin?

[Skittles]

207. omg

DONE HERE

[ehrnst]

208. That's one way to deal with being called out....

Buh bye!!

[ehrnst]

187. Define "holding them accountable"

I have yet to hear anyone complaining that "Dems aren't holding THEM ACCOUNTABLE!!!!111111!!!" actually say what that would look like.

Other than IMPEACH YESTERDAY!

Because "them" isn't covered in that.

How about making him feel cornered enough to order another strike in Iran, and finish it this time to distract from impeachment, while and still not reduce his time in office for even an hour? Would that be satisfactory?

[ehrnst]

120. What do you mean "in power" They have the WH and the Senate.... (nt)

[Skittles]

171. when Dems have the presidency

[ehrnst]

191. So how does this relate to what they are doing now?

[Skittles]

206. um.....LOL, never mind

[ehrnst]

216. um.... LOL, cat got your tongue?

[Joinfortmill]

4. Agree

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[lapucelle]

154. Welcome to DU!

Have a donut.

[notdarkyet]

5. Do something. Another two week break.

[montanacowboy]

6. Jerry can send a strongly worded letter

the impotent Democrats are helping Dump destroy our country

what the hell was the last election about?

I am so fucking fed up

Get off your fucking asses, goddammit do something

We might have Ivanka as our next president and don't think it can't happen

[Laura PourMeADrink]

90. Been saying this forever. Convene a retreat and dont

leave until there's a plan - a plan to unseat trump. Call together the most brilliant democratic strategists we've got. Ad men from Madison Ave. Creative Hollywood types with cash. IT voting experts. Number crunchers. Constitutional lawyers (Obama). Former FBI and DOJ people. PR types. Hire the best project manager around to come up with a plan on how to conduct the retreat and develop goals.

[ehrnst]

119. So if they doing any of that, you think that they would report back to all Democrats

every week on how it was going?

You think that would be a smart thing?

I guess if you think that they aren't even smart enough to do any of those things, that they would also not be smart enough to keep it on the down low...

[awesomerwb1]

179. You're asking for wayyyyy too much there

I agree with you 100% and props for the list. Been saying that for a while but you've narrowed it down better than I could've.

We react, we don't anticipate. This time the fucking planet's at stake....but we're gonna keep losing if we don't wise up.

[Eliot Rosewater]

112. EXACTLY what can they do when the other side runs the DOJ and the SC and refuses to obey

the law

I want an answer NOW otherwise STOP bashing the GOOD GUYS

[spanone]

118. Simple. We can impeach him. If the republicans want to let him go free...they can.

At least history will see that we tried to defend our democracy.

[ehrnst]

125. The possible consequence is that Trump feels cornered enough pull a Reichstag Fire

in order to get the country distracted and behind him.

Is that worth it, knowing that it won't shorten his term by a single day?

[Eliot Rosewater]

176. Yeah, that isnt a reason not to, afaic.

The ONLY reason not to is if we have empirical data showing we lose the House and Nancy may well have that but I would never not do the right thing just because a dictator fascist baby might react badly.

We are almost completely gone as it is, as a country. anyway

As we know,you and I are on the same page usually and THIS is exactly what putin has in mind. Make it near impossible for us to do anything AND make us be unsure of ourselves, constantly debating with each other etc.

Personally I think the KGB will hack the election and do it right in front of us, GA governor race was stolen in plain sight, the next prez election will be also probably.

So relying on elections could be a mistake, it may be all we have I dont know.

[ehrnst]

180. Well, neither you nor I are in a position to see all of the possible consequences,

or have access to the empirical data that is available to Speaker Pelosi and the House Judiciary Committee.

Neither of us has the experience that the members of that committee and Speaker Pelosi have in matters of procedure, and access to expert counsel on matters of law, especially as it concerns the House.

Frankly, I think that the OP is exactly what the GOP and Putin hope for. Puting Pelosi in a lose/lose position - because she will stay the course on what she believes will give the best outcome for everyone, and people like those in the OP will try to make trash her if she doesn't put their needs for reassurance front and center. If does make that her priority, instead of doing what her long years in the House and advisors tell her is the best path forward, and give the GOP what they want. Thankfully, she's not running for higher office, which is ideal for a speaker - no need to pander to get nationwide votes for the next election...

We also need to be aware that there may not be a solution that gets him out of office other than elections. We are in damage control mode. There may only be a choice between something that sucks, and something that is utterly catastrophic. Much like doing what it took to get that emergency funding bill into existence was.

I think that people who have seen much privilege in their lives - I'm talking white privilege, male privilege, - will not accept something that isn't geared towards their approval. If they like it, then that means it's the right choice. If they are not pleased with it, then obviously they are BEING JERKED AROUND by somebody who is FAILING to do the RIGHT THING!!

I hear it when I point out the problems in Medicare for All.. "Well there HAS to be SOME way to get everyone free health care for free, in the next few years! Things are terrible!!!! It's just not fair! We HAVE to fix it! That just can't be TRUE! If we WANT it enough, it will come to be!" As though pointing out the problems "jinxes" something that was otherwise totally going to happen...

There is this thing called a "wicked problem"

A wicked problem is a social or cultural problem that is huge and difficult or impossible to solve for as many as four reasons: incomplete or contradictory knowledge, the number of people and opinions involved, the large economic burden, and the interconnected nature of these problems with other problems. Sometimes solving one aspect of it creates other problems.

Just like there was no satisfactory answer to the wicked problem of what happens to slaves after emancipation. Whites would prey on them if they lived in or near white communities - with complicity of law enforcement, putting them on a ship to Africa with no ability to read or even speak a language that would enable them to flourish would also doom them.

So, it was decided that being preyed upon by white people was better than slavery, and better than dumping them in a foreign land with no familiarity with that culture. And slavery was replaced with Jim Crow.

There may also be no way to prevent more children from dying at the border, and there may be no way to repair the damage done to those children by the trauma they continue to be subjected to. And there may not ever be access to affordable health care for everyone in the U.S, and there may be homeless people for centuries to come, and there may be no solution to the issue of the Gaza strip that doesn't enrage one of those involved... however I will fight and raise my voice, and do everything I can, but I will understand in a wicked problem that no, there will likely be no solution that doesn't give someone the short end of the stick. Like the ones that are most vulnerable - because they don't run things.

Just like this goddamned thread - where some people (who won't be the vulnerable ones getting hurt) say "just shut it all down! People will get hurt but it will teach the GOP a LESSON!!"

Because someone told them that there's a simple answer, and by God, they're entitled to their simple answer RIGHT NOW!!

That's why NONE of the Senators running for office would TOUCH that Senate emergency funding bill, let alone vote for it, because it's best to just stay away from that reality in an election year. Voting AT ALL for the option you think will do the least harm in a selection of awful options (a wicked problem) will be weaponized by your political opponents as "choosing an awful option" even though there no better ones. The "purest" thing to do was to do "nothing," in this case because you would be either accused of "collaborating with the GOP" or "voting against" helping those kids at the border even in a small way.

Anyone who tells you that there was a "right way" to vote on that is ignorant of the Wicked problem. I admire Pelosi for carrying on, despite the rage of those who had no better option, but thought that she should have chosen it.

[George II]

128. What are YOU doing about it?

[ehrnst]

132. Seeking validation for one's anxieties, resentments, and feelings of powerlessness is

"doing something" it appears, and bashing Democratic leaders as worse than incompetent is how the author of the OP has chosen to go about "doing it".

Seems that some have adopted the rhetoric of the Tea Party as "progressive."

[ehrnst]

143. You mean like the OP, except with fewer ALL CAPS and FUCK!!!!!!s ?

[AlexSFCA]

8. they are chicken to make any bold move

Maher is correct: dems have principles but no spine; gop have no principles but spine. House has quite a bit of power so they should use to the fullest extent possible. Biden is already talking about bipartisanship. Can you imagine gop would even mention that. They laugh at us as naive fools.

[SHRED]

15. This is so frustrating

Sad for this country.
Very little oversight.

[triron]

22. Like our fucking media.

[AlexSFCA]

64. the media always seeks gop validation

they will call them concentration camps when gop does. God bless AOC. A very junior rep who is more effective than most in bringing issues straight to headlines.

[Richard58]

53. Amen

I HATE hearing any Democratic nominee talking about being "bipartisan". The GOP has zero interest in working with the Democrats and when our candidates say that they come across as fools! Fuck "reaching across the aisle!! It is a one way street!

[Scarsdale]

83. Very true.

The gop has no honor. They got more funding, so now they are likely dividing up their profits. People, and babies are suffering? So what? We have gerrymandering to complete, plus get Russian help to keep our guy in the WH, along with his grifting family.

[ehrnst]

198. So, you think that Dems should just have behaved like the tea party?

Just sit there giving the finger to the GOP, and giving them the talking point that Dems weren't interested in those kids at all, just trying to obstruct DT?

[Celerity]

69. +10000

[Eliot Rosewater]

114. Name ONE thing they can do when the other side controls the WH, Senate, DOJ and SC

just one

i will wait

and REFUSES to obey the law

[ehrnst]

152. Chicken? You are calling Speaker Pelosi chicken?

Are you sure you're not confusing her with someone else?

[treestar]

158. they aren't chicken

the advantage the Rs have is that they don't like government, so shutting it down is OK with them.

if the Dems shut it down, they will hear about how people aren't getting their social security checks, etc., so obviously they don't think even the Dems in the country will make those sacrifices to support them.

[Takket]

9. intelligence, oversight and judiciary committees currently have no hearings scheduled

See for yourself. sure i guess they are on a break.

https://oversight.house.gov/legislation/hearings
https://judiciary.house.gov/legislation/hearings
Intelligence: https://docs.house.gov/Committee/Committees.aspx?Code=IG00

I know Mueller is coming up on the 17th. They better be ready to Impeach after he testifies. Because honestly we look pretty silly if we keep saying that the report showed evidence of obstruction but we don't do anything about it. If I were drumpf I'd be standing there saying "they say I broke the law but they don't impeach me! What does that tell you? They have nothing on me!" Someone is going to weaponize the Mueller report as either showing guilt or innocence. If we don't, he will.

[sprinkleeninow]

11. They needed a two week break?

I need a respite from this hovno/govno.

[CanonRay]

21. Writing angry letters is hard work.

[ehrnst]

194. That is scheduled ahead of time. You reallllllly think that Mitch would have agreed to stay?

[sprinkleeninow]

202. And then a lengthy August recess.

Sure, go ahead. Pamper yourselves while people who actually care are in turmoil and distress.

[triron]

20. Listened to Nadler tonite on Rachel. Disappointed is my chief feeling.

[Retrograde]

43. "We could sue or impeach but that would take a lot of time"

sez Nadler. Right - all the more reason to get started NOW.

[former9thward]

10. Maybe if you run for Congress and win -- which is doubtful

you will find how the real world works. Not the world of the internet and twitter.

[Me.]

13. +1

[SHRED]

16. Explain it to us

Since you seem so versed in the "real world".

[bottomofthehill]

71. I will take a quick shot at it

The House does not have the ability to act unilaterally. They need the Senate to pass the exact same bill and then the president t sign it.

We can gripe all we want, but as we were not able to take back the Senate, we have 1 leg of the 3 legged stool. Can't do much on its own.

Can give lots of lip service but that's about it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

117. You are smarter than this, you tell me what can our people do when the other side

controls EVERYTHING (SC, DOJ, SENATE, WH) and they refuse to obey the law, acknowledge subpoenas etc.

Tell me please I will tell them

Truth is short of PHYSICAL ACTION by us, not much can be done until an election.

Impeachment yes, I am for that...Likely we will LOSE THE HOUSE if we impeach and we make any mistakes, remember that

individual house races are VERY different than senate and WH

[ehrnst]

141. Well for starters...

Congress can't "unfund" that which has been appropriated funds without the Senate and WH approval. You do know who heads up the Senate, don't you? You do know who's in the WH, don't you?

If it was possible to "unfund" something unilaterally, don't you think that Planned Parenthood would have been cut off from medicaid reimbursment long ago? This is the problem when people go off on rage boner rants - they don't think. They know they're "fucking mad" about something, and to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail, even if its a light bulb....

Those 'fucking commitees" are doing way more than "negotiating," which is their "fucking job," They are also investigating, which is neccessary for ammunition for any charges, including impeachment.

The OP attributes powers to Democrats in congress that are not in the constitution, such as "shutting the fucking adminstration the fuck down."

Is that clearer?

[pangaia]

23. What is being said here IS THE REAL WORLD...

What the fuck is going on.. nada...

Looks like on;ly massive tens of millions in the streets will do anything....

[Nuggets]

75. So why aren't you and everybody

whining get down to these centers and help block access? Take over the centers and forbid ICE entry?
Some DUers have short memories as Pelosi literally said they had a path.

It’s sad how quickly Progressives will abandon their leaders.

[pangaia]

92. I haven't abandoned my leaders. Stop putting words in my mouth.

I call my 3 congress critters every week.. send emails.., for whatever THAT will do.

And several times a week a group of us alternate standing on a very visible corner during rush hour with signs protesting various things. MOSTLY the fascist take over of America !!!

[Nuggets]

160. Called them for whatever that will do.

What is being said here IS THE REAL WORLD...


What the fuck is going on.. nada...

Looks like on;ly massive tens of millions in the streets will do anything....



This is abandoning your leadership who has told you they are investigating and doing all they can.

You posted those words, not me.

Marching on a corner means nothing

Why haven’t you stopped this yet? Surely you and your group can prevent this from happening, right?

[pangaia]

212. OK -- GO MUCKDOGS !!!!!!!!!!

[former9thward]

85. The internet has destroyed mass protests.

It is far easier now to post anger on boards and blogs rather than the streets.

[pangaia]

94. Tell me about it...

[StarfishSaver]

101. People rant and rave online about what other people aren't doing, but when asked what THEY'RE doing

Nothing ... because really busy or something.

[ehrnst]

126. Well yes. Apparently Democratic leaders are worse than Trump so a rant about them is easier...

[SWBTATTReg]

146. You nailed it. This anger should be directed more at rump than our leaders...I suspect that...

sometimes they (our democratic leaders) get frustrated too. As ehrnst has said earlier, we need to win more seats in Congress as well as the presidency too in 2020. We took a major step in moving forward in winning in 2018 Nov. elections and gained control of the House of Rep.

This is a big step as it literally puts a roadblock right in front of the worst excesses of this administration...it may take time as funding established in prior years continues to run current government programs and branches.

I would say our leaders (democratic) are doing the best they can, under the circumstances. I applaud them for doing what they can and will continue to support them wholeheartedly. It can't be easy dealing w/ the idiot in the WH, who has literally reneged on several pieces of legislation that was pretty well done (e.g. a DACA solution, rump bitched about it and said that he would not sign).

Right now, I'd say that the republican leadership is slowly becoming aware of the lack of actual power that they have now, being that anything that goes through their GOP controlled Senate has to still go through the House of Rep.

[ehrnst]

217. Fear and anxiety in white fragility often expresses itself in rage..

Like a white lady at Target who WANTS TO SEE A MANAGER NOW because her CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPERIENCE was NOT SATISFACTORY due to this EMPLOYEE not being satisfactorily RESPECTFUL!!!!!!! And nothing short of a firing that employee will DO and your MAIN OFFICE and YOU WILL BE SO SORRY that you DIDN'T MAKE ME HAPPY... IT's NOT ABOUT MEEEEEEEEE!!!! IT'S about YOU PEOPLE and not making MEEEEEEE happy means you are NOT DOING YOUR JOB for everybody else either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Multiple examples of it where you would think people would be self aware...

[bottomofthehill]

210. Tens of millions at the ballot boxes in certain states will make the difference

People in the street wont. We need change at the ballot box in states with in the margins. change a few thousand votes in a few states and the whole picture is different.

[StarfishSaver]

46. +1

[kacekwl]

51. I'm watching the real world working every damn day.

I'm also sick of the what are YOU going to do about it? nonsense. I vote for the people who said if you elect ME I will do the job. I did not run for office you did and now somehow I'm the one who is not doing enough. Step back Mr. and Ms. congress person and look around you . Look at how the republican colleagues of yours are treating you and you pound a gavel in protest to have them scoff at you and the laws YOU were sworn to protect and enforce. These criminals are going to win again and we will hear the same response we have to follow protocol blah blah blah. Fuck it indeed.

[blueinredohio]

80. Agreed

[Efilroft Sul]

84. Truth.

[Nevermypresident]

107. +1000

[treestar]

151. better recheck Articles 1 and 2 of the Constitution

If the Rs had the House too, they'd be passing laws to make things even worse. We have the Dem house so that doesn't happen. It is the check and balance.

If we had the Senate and the WH, most of this would not be happening. People needed to go and vote. And pay attention to the lower offices, the state houses where the gerrymandering goes on.

[LanternWaste]

121. I also pretend people w/ different opinions are unrealistic.

It allows our self-righteousness to be that much more efficient.

[treestar]

156. How realistic is:

1. Cut off fucking funding!!! Ok if they cut off the fucking funding for something Dump wants, that will mean cutting military spending and then getting blamed for anything that goes wrong. They will have to wait for the next Budget to refuse to pass a Budget that doesn't cut the spending the Rs like. What little spending they like is tough to find.

2. Close the fucking Adminstrative Branch the fuck down!!! What does that even mean? No funding for the Cabinet Offices? No criminal prosecutions, no medicaid, no social spending either.

3. Defund some fucking shit...NOW! What fucking shit is to be defunded with Senate and POTUS approval so that it will pass? It will have to be a shut down.

4. The next time one of these fucking pricks sit in front of a Congressional Committee and refuse to answer questions ought to bring someone over the rail to beat the shit out of them with a two-by-four and have the Sargent At Arms lock them in a fucking closet...no soap...no toothbrush...a dirty toilet to drink out of...no change of clothes. Who is the someone who is going to do this? I think the chances of the Sargent at Arms really doing something so outside the norm is not likely to happen.

[sheshe2]

184. +1000

[ehrnst]

201. You are way too calm, thoughtful, sane and aware of the facts....

[msongs]

12. I'd like to know exactly what Tusli Gabbard is doing about any of these things nt

[pangaia]

213. LOLOL

[progressoid]

17. Uhmmmm...I think the House did just the opposite.

House passes $4.5B border funding bill

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/450215-house-passes-45b-border-funding-bill

[Grasswire2]

27. without negotiation. nt

[AllyCat]

47. With no oversight of the money.

The Korporate Kiddie Kamps are already getting $775/head/day of our tax money. They don’t need more money. The CBP, ICE, and everyone working at these for-profit monstrosities need to be put in their own camps. Everyone, including the janitors that clean the goddamned toilets.

[bottomofthehill]

96. You are right, we should not have given a blank check

Much better to myarter the children, it worked in Ireland with the hunger strikes ( although, they were adults making their own choice, see Bobby Sands). Giving no money and holding the edministrations feet to the fire is worth how many babies to you. I am sorry, but when the Republicans use my humanity against me they will win. I would have given them double the money if I thought any part of it was going to be used to alleviate the suffering of the children.

The republicans win if we hold out so there was no winning position in this. At least they can not say they do not have the money to address the situation now.

[ehrnst]

148. In what way was it a "blank check?" (nt)

[onenote]

18. having people think that having control of one House allows us to do these things gets old

I would expect DUers to have a better understanding of what it takes to pass legislation.

[pangaia]

24. Who said anything about legislation?

[onenote]

29. So how exactly does the House "defund" a funded government operation?

Do tell.

[pangaia]

32. This has gone way beyond defunding....

[onenote]

41. I take that as your admission they can't do what the OP is demanding.

[watoos]

25. The poster of this thread is 100% correct,

The House controls the purse strings, it can defund shit.

The time for impeachment is long past. Waiting to win the election is playing with fire.

[onenote]

28. It can't defund an existing appropriation. That takes legislation amending or repealing the previous

legislation.

This isn't difficult. It's government 101.

[quakerboy]

68. they are well within their rights to decline to provide additional funding

Whats already done is done.

But they dont have to add funding.

[onenote]

73. So they don't fund a particular agency. And then the Senate adds the funding

And the House refuses to accept the amendment. Then the government shuts down completely, putting people out of work, without salaries, basically suffering all of the hardships we complained about when Trump caused the shutdown. Only this time, we'll get the blame for the shutdown.

Not a great plan.

[quakerboy]

76. So instead lets just give the R's whatever they want.

That will surely result in good things.

[onenote]

82. did we give the Rs what they wanted during the wall fight?

It's not even clear what the OP thinks cutting off funding would accomplish? Make Trump let people testify? Make Trump give up his tax returns? In what universe would cutting off funding result in that happening?

[pangaia]

35. "Waiting to win the election is playing with fire. "

YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!

Why is it so few see this????

so and so is up by 23 points.. so and so gained 3% this week

so and so raised 24 million dollares on sat

blah blah blahhh

[at140]

45. House can not defund what funding was already approved by law

What has passed before and has become a law by passing in senate and signed by the president can not be defunded all by the House alone. It requires a NEW law changing the old one.

[StarfishSaver]

48. No, they can't remove appropriated funding without the Senate and POTUS signature

or a veto-proof majority.

[uponit7771]

65. +1, what election?!?! Red Don has already said he's going to cheat!!!!!

[ehrnst]

135. No, they can't "defund shit" that has already been funded without the Senate and POTUS.

I wish people would do a little research before ranting about 'shit that should be done."

I'm hearing repeats of Tea Party rants against Obama all over this thread, along with the plan to run this country off a cliff, no matter that the most vulnerable will be hit the hardest, as long as we can blame it on the guy in the White House.

I thought Democrats were supposed to care about morality and ethics in governance. God forbid they try to get an emergency funding bill passed to get something to those kids that we say we care about...

[quakerboy]

66. Its funny how much the Republicans can do with only one chamber

Heck. In Oregon the republicans just proved they can control the whole dang thing despite Dems having the governorship and a double supermajority.

Or, looking back a bit, I recall a time when Democrats had the presidency, a house majority and a senate majority. And we still couldnt do much of anything that we campaigned on.

Yet Republicans ram all sorts of things through time after time with only one chamber under their control. They take the process hostage, we fold, they win the next election. mix match repeat.

[Crunchy Frog]

173. And some people are profoundly offended by the use of the term

"Appeasement".

[onenote]

174. I remember that time. All two years of it.

We passed the ACA, the Lily Ledbetter Act, set the country on the road to recovery from the Bush recession. We confirmed Sotomayor and Kagan and hundreds of other judges. We repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell.

We only had a majority in both Houses for two years of Obama's presidency.

And we only had 60 votes in the Senate for around five months, a period that overlapped with the August recess and the December-January recess.

[stillcool]

163. It's getting to be a bit much..

more than a waste of time, because it's so depressing. The on, and on, and on, parroting talking points of condemnation prior to investigation. The repetition makes it clear there's not a lot of original thought going on. Sad.

[ehrnst]

168. You'd think.

But it turns out that there are more erstwhile tea partiers, judging by their expectations and understanding of the way government works.

I recall many newly minted "constitutional experts" on the right when Obama was elected. Now it appears to be the same for the green tea partiers on the left now, especially concerning actual legislative powers.

[triron]

19. You said it the way I feel, part ways anyway.

Your profanity is fucking appropriate with these motherfuckers in the WH. They are the scourge of the fucking earth.

They belong where I won't mention.

[ehrnst]

199. The cursing was at the Democrats. You feel that way? (nt)

[leftstreet]

26. DURec

[orangecrush]

30. KICK

[yaesu]

31. cut all funding, stop working with the fascists on anything, shut down everything if that is what it

takes to get the dummies attention, people will suffer but its time to make life miserable for the fascists and make tRump look like the bumbling fool he is.

[AllyCat]

49. Seriously, just do it. Cut off the spigot.

Illegal? Yeah? Moral? Absolutely.

[onenote]

60. We cannot unilaterally "cut" current funding.

What we could do is refuse to pass a budget bill in September thereby causing a shutdown of the government -- putting government workers back on food lines, disrupting government services and millions of families -- you know, cause all the things that we complained Trump was causing during the last government shutdown.

How did that work out?

[bottomofthehill]

93. Not only that but

Just because we cut off funding does not mean the release the children in the camps. It only makes things worse for them. Look how bad it is, now think of drastically less food and what little comfort that are currently getting coupled with a further agitated work force “caring” for them.... that is a nightmare.

We need to win some senate seats in the next cycle and the presidency and pass some legislation to ensure this madness does not occur again in the future. The founding fathers could not foresee the Trump Presidency. Now that we have seen it, it is up to us to do something about it.

[StarfishSaver]

102. 100% this!

[ehrnst]

122. So you want to let people suffer in order to make the GOP and Trump look bad...

Sounds like you're in the tea party, not the Democratic party.

That was their plan with Obama.

Aren't we supposed to be better than they are?

[Golden Raisin]

33. It's incredibly frustrating. And I think

Congress basically shuts down pretty much most of August for recess (could be wrong about that). I honestly think it's going to take massive street protests/marches (a la the huge numbers in Hong Kong) to make any sort of dent.

[quakerboy]

70. This ain't hong cong

The cops aren't remotely on our side, and the Republicans would be only to have an excuse to funnel more tax dollars to their prison corp buddies while simultaneously having an excuse to take voting rights away from more American citizens. Might even get some extra campaign contributions out of the deal.

[Lotus54]

34. I agree and share your frustration Max!!

[dalton99a]

36. Kick

[EveHammond13]

37. when I posted something like this I got in trouble for criticizing Democrats

but I fully agree with your post

[Hotler]

98. +1

Same here.

[ecstatic]

38. It's so horrifying and infuriating. Lately I feel myself forming

a mental block because thinking about the separated, tortured kids is breaking me. I thought the days of committing outright atrocities were behind us. As long as this continues, we are all living in a deplorable shithole country.

[ehrnst]

164. Everyone with a conscience is in that same place. Some people, however feel that

if they are in that particular state, then someone needs to be ACCOUNTABLE!! If I'm not happy with how things are going then SOMEONE OWES ME AN EXPLANATION!!! This CAN'T be right!! Somebody had better make this better RIGHT NOW!! I MEAN IT!! UNACCEPTABLE!! This is OUT of CONTROL!! MAKE IT STOP RIGHT NOW, OR THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY!

Privilege is showing it's head all over DU. White male fragility especially - that's the response when they are subject to something that's not in their control, because most of the time the world seems to be following the lead of what they find comfortable - and when they aren't, the want to SPEAK TO THE MANAGER RIGHT NOW. (Women, too - like Barbeque Becky..)

Certainly anger is the thing that gets one over the hump when one's consciousness is raised about how bad things really are. But perpetual outrage with progressive allies who are "producing the results" fast enough for those in our culture who are used to things revolving around them is unproductive and pretty self-defeating.

Imagine if people of color had turned on MLK for NOT DOING ANYTHING while things didn't move as fast legislatively as they wanted. The movement would have never lasted.

What I see in the OP is someone giving in to a rage wallow at our allies, and wanted some company and validation that they aren't fragile, they are being personally jerked around by... by.... SOMEBODY.

I won't create scapegoats out of ignorance and an inability to cope with the fact there are some things deeply affecting me and my emotional life that are beyond my power. Some people used to society jumping to their aid when they get uncomfortable aren't coping well with what the rest of us have had to deal with in one way or another most of our lives.

[Elwood P Dowd]

39. They're either on vacation or running for president.

Will be back July 11th........that is, if the country can survive the Trump wrecking ball until then.

[StarfishSaver]

52. They're not on vacation. They're just not in Washington

Some of them did this today:

Members of Congress visit migrant detention centers in Texas hours after report revealed offensive comments by Border Patrol agents
More than a dozen U.S. House members visited migrant detention centers in Texas on Monday on the heels of a report revealing current and former Border Patrol agents joking on Facebook about throwing burritos at the visiting officials.

More than a dozen U.S. House members visited facilities in El Paso and Clint — a trip that came the same day as a news report that Border Patrol agents made vile posts that threatened lawmakers in a secret Facebook group and discussed throwing burritos at the congressional visitors.
...
After touring the detention centers, the group struggled to be heard at a news conference, confronted by protesters who shouted at them "Build a wall; deport 'em all — that’s the way we get rid of this problem!"

"Today we came and we saw that the system is still broken," said U.S. Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-San Antonio, chairman of the Hispanic Caucus. "These are the conditions that have been created by the Trump administration. These are the inhumane conditions that folks are facing. This is not just about more money for Border Patrol and for the Department of Homeland Security. This is also about the standards of care by which people are being taken care of, both children and adults."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texastribune.org/2019/07/01/members-congress-tour-migrant-facilities-respond-propublica-bombshell/amp/

[sinkingfeeling]

42. Please send your post, word for word, to Nancy's office.

[JudyM]

44. +1.

We just gave them a huge check with no accountability. McConnell is effing running the show.

[world wide wally]

54. I thought the 2018 Blue Wave was about oversight..... NOT overlooking

[leftstreet]

56. +1

[certainot]

55. well then, stop letting the motherfuckers take free potshots at them all day

limbaugh says the media, pelosi, the left billionaires will “take aoc out” repeatedly on 600 radio stations and the left does nothing. even if dems heard it would they know it was just to say “take aoc out”?

like when he made up a ridiculous pretext for saying “obama’s head needs to roll” on sept 2008.

he’s called her a commie and all sorts of shit, but the left has no fucking clue

wtf do democrats expect if they let 1500 radio stations take free potshots at their reps all day from 1500 radio stations?

if dems want their reps to stick their necks out stop ignoring rw radio. this is supposed to be a democracy and reps like aoc, braver than most, shouldn't have to carry weapons.

this is really stupid - most of this is based on an alternate reality you can't sell without 1500 coordinated radio stations the russians could easily be using and feeding - since long before social media bullshit

[Bluepinky]

63. I agree about the harm that right wing radio has, but how can we stop it?

It’s probably subsidized by billionaires, so they get plenty of funding. Maybe go after individual advertisers? There would have to be a centralized spot that lists advertisers so they can be boycotted. If enough people boycotted a business, it might stop advertising on the station, and that could affect content in the long run.

[certainot]

91. whenever and whatever the left protests at rw talk radio stations will be front page

or the 88+ universities that use their majority black athletes to attract advertisers to 260 of those KKK radio stations

the cons can ignore protests everywhere else because a few hundred ignorant liars on those radio stations yell over the protestors as long as it takes.

protests directed directly at the problem will freak the cons out. they'll howl "free speech!!", media will notice, and that will send advertisers to the hills. the cons will have to fund it directly and that will end the 'market demand' for lies and hate bullshit

the only unique advantage the fascists have now is talk radio and all americans have to do is stop ignoring it

boycotts of ANY advertiser on ANY rw radio station/show and protests at stations and the 88 universities will send advertisers running and will force the ad industry to ask advertisers if they really support trump and global warming denial. and when universities start looking for apolitical alternatives to broadcast sports on many of those stations will be forced to go to other programming.

this fascism has been blasting from 1500 radio stations for 30 years UNCHALLENGED by the left. as a protected unchalled 20-1 monopoly that dominates politiocal messaging in 40 states with 80- senators it operates outside the free speech spectrum. it won't survive if it's forced to compete.

artificial intelligence-enhanced transcription now makes it inevitable that talk radio will be digitized so it can finally be analyzed - it needs to happen NOW and the dem party and left orgs have no fucking excuse to continue the stupidity

for americans to despair over the rise of fascism while doing NOTHING about rw talk radio is very sad, especially going into this election and facing global warming acceleration - it's the biggest political mistake in history

[maxrandb]

97. Exactly! Why is there a Radio station in San Francisco

That is about 90% blue, that doesn't have protests on the sidewalk daily?

It's time for Blue cities to start exercising some economic power.

Let's see if Nazi Radio can survive with nothing but Dumbfuckistan 'Murika support?

[certainot]

105. some stations are not in good places to protest, but there are a lot of them, as well as

those 88 universities, which a lot of major stations depend on

one uni could shame the rest into putting a lot of stations out of business or changing formats

it struck me that in all the new york OWS protests union station building that a lot of protestors were going through to get there was/is? home to WABC - one of limbaugh's first stations - he led the attacks on the protestors

and how many of them were from syracuse university- which broadcasts sports on 6 limbaugh stations

[ehrnst]

214. You mean protesting Democratic leaders? Like you are?

I notice that you just dropped this grenade into DU, then left.

[CaptainTruth]

58. I'm also sick & tired of hearing it.

Because they do dozens of things & some people say they're doing "nothing." It's frustrating.

[Demonaut]

59. It's a process

[Bluepinky]

61. I hate to say it, but our Congressional reps get paid very well and get their benefits

whether they do a little or a lot. I’m pretty fed up with the entire lot of them. If Trump et al isn’t impeached and/or held accountable for crimes committed, he’s going to be re-elected (with Russia’s help and some inventive vote counting).

And what is happening at the border is inhumane, illegal and wrong. Now people are supposed to drink out of a toilet? What is happening to our country and what are our leaders doing about it? The whole thing makes me sick.

Democrats are beyond negotiating, it’s time to act. Get some frigging camera crews to the border to film conditions inside these concentration camps, then show it on the news channels. Make the Republicans defend their support of these places. Senators and US Reps can travel en masse and demand to be let in as part of their oversight duties.

If our democracy is going to die, this is the hill I want it to die on. I want it to go down fighting.

[AlexSFCA]

67. I wish AOC had a hidden cam to leak the footage

I hope someone did take that footage. Americans at large react ONLY to visuals. Words means nothing now.

[ehrnst]

134. So what do you think all those house investigations are for?

[Bluepinky]

211. People are dying in concentration camps while investigations are going on.

It’s time to take some action. These concentration camps are funded entirely with public money, the public should see what’s going on in there. Funding should continue only with appropriate and transparent oversight. This is life or death for people.

[ehrnst]

215. I hate to say it, but some complain that they take no action, and then complain when they do....

I hate to say it but if if one needs a reason to be angry, one will find a friggin' scapegoat anywhere. Even their allies.

[Moostache]

74. well put (n/t)

[cwydro]

77. K and r.

It’s beyond belief.

[Mike Niendorff]

78. THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT OUT LOUD.

BECAUSE EVERY SANE PERSON IS DAMN WELL THINKING IT.


MDN

[ehrnst]

161. RIGHT ON!! BECAUSE A STRONGLY WORDED LETTER BASHING DEMOCRATIC LEADERS

FOR NOT DOING THAT WHICH IS OUTSIDE THEIR CONSTITUTIONALLY PROSCRIBED POWERS, WHILE IGNORING ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHING IS MUCH MORE STATISFYING THAN FOCUSING ALL THAT ANXIETY INTO SINCERE INQUIRY INTO THE FACTS, THEN ACTING ON THOSE, AND FOCUSING/STOKING THE RAGE TOWARDS REPUBLICANS INSTEAD, WHERE IT BELONGS.

ALL CAPS AND SWEAR WORDS GIVE IT ADDITIONAL CREDIBILITY1111!!!!

WHY FOCUS ONE'S ENERGY IN REALLY EFFECTIVE WAYS, WHEN ONE CAN SPIN ONE'S WHEELS ON A DEMOCRATIC DISCUSSION BOARD WITH DOZENS OF POSTS ABOUT HOW TO ACTUALLY HELP THE SITUATION, AND INSTEAD GET OTHERS TO JOIN IN THE GNASHING OF TEETH AND WAILING ABOUT COMMITTEES NOT FUCKING DOING THINGS FAST ENOUGH IS WHAT I ALWAYS SAY!

[sheshe2]

189. Brava.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

79. When the people are sufficiently motivated they will fill the streets. It starts small. . . . nt

[BlueJac]

81. K&R

I have been fed up with this situation since the elections.

[Magoo48]

89. A refreshing rant indeed.

[Turin_C3PO]

95. I definitely feel your frustration.

But I really think the Democrats are doing all they can with the tools available to them. They have several investigations ongoing and some cases moving through the courts. Once Trump inevitably defies a federal court order, Adam Schiff said impeachment would likely occur.

[ehrnst]

167. But that's not validation of the OPs feels.

It's like they are some lady in Target who is NOT happy with girl at the return desk's ATTITUDE, and wants to see a MANAGER RIGHT NOW!!! Nothing less than an on the spot FIRING will be acceptable!!!

But seriously, I think some people believe that this is supposed to look like a John Grisham movie, with suspenseful music to let you know that something's about to happen... and that they are ENTITLED to some ACTION at this point in the movie!!!

[dlk]

99. The Time Has Come for the House to Begin Cutting Off Funding

If there is any way they can sue to claw back funds paid to the corporations getting rich kidnapping children and abusing/torturing them, along with the migrant adults, get with it! Bold action is required here.

[ehrnst]

100. So why do you think that the Democratic leadership is jerking you around?

You seem to think that there is much that they can do that they simply refuse to. You seem to need others to join you in a tantrum about it - which is pretty much what this OP is.

Did your high school have a government course? If not, perhaps you might want to look up what the actual powers and limitations of the legislative branch are. That might reveal to you that what you are ranting about isn't based in an understanding of what is and is not within the Democratic leaders' power.

If you are more interested in getting other people who are as misinformed as you are concerning those powers to validate your anxiety and scapegoating, then never mind.

I thought it was Trump who was the problem.... but you seem to think that it's all Democrat's fault.

[Hotler]

103. Are you saying that our Democratic leaders have used up all the tools in the toolbox and..

the only tool left is to vote in 2020 election?

[ehrnst]

106. That is a False dillema combined with a straw man fallacy.

I simply pointed out the fallacies upon which the OP is based, and made no comment on what Democratic leadership is or isn't doing.

To point out that someone who is saying that they have the power to "Close the fucking Adminstrative Branch the fuck down!!!" doesn't have their facts straight concerning the legislative branch to someone who clearly doesn't understand what those are doesn't = saying that they are or are not doing other things.

There is a middle ground there that your accusation ignores. Don't attack a straw man of your own making and expect someone else to defend it.

Is that clearer?

[Hotler]

115. I didn't make any accusations. I asked a simple yes or no question.

[ehrnst]

127. Because you worded your accusation as a question, it's not an accusation...

Hit the nail on the head, didn't I?

Nice try at evading owning up to your own statements when someone calls you out on it, instead of taking the bait.

[redstateblues]

104. K&R

[George II]

111. You seriously think they're not doing anything? Do you want them to publish a weekly status report?

[ehrnst]

165. It sounds like it. Somebody wants TO SEE THE MANAGER RIGHT NOW!!!

The customer service is NOT up to the high standards of this special customer!!!!!

[Brainfodder]

124. Whose democracy is this?

...meanwhile the super grunt of the Senate named Mitch (this 1 imbecile gets to destroy democracy via loophole deep diving and making up rules that don't exist) stops/holds up important things and/or DEAD in their tracks over and over for years? All why partisan bickering and nonsense runs amok, such as birth certificates and very suspicious election results, just mysteriously handled by partisans giving the nose over the finish line to a Republican every time.

Meanwhile, a last hour installed head of DOJ will apparently say/do/break whatever, to cover up whatever at this point needs it?

Transparency be damned is their mantra?

The most ridiculous load of BS in the history of the U.S.A. is being carried out and we are here as witnesses, just our luck huh?

[ehrnst]

129. I am fucking sick and God Damned tired of HEARING THAT DEMOCRATS are the most powerful entity

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ever in the history of Congress, and could tOTALLY take DT out right now, but instead they just sit there trying to MAKE US MAD!!!

Can't fucking do ANYTHING!!!!

Because they haven't been able in less than zix months reverse what the GOP has spent years planning for and executing means that they Can't fucking do ANYTHING?? Hyperbole, anyone?

These fucking committees better start doing something!

What the fuck do you think those fucking dozens of investigations run by those "fucking committees" are?

Cut off fucking funding!!!

How about learning that the fucking shit that is funded can't be defunded without the Senate before ranting about how Democrats in Congress aren't fucking doing what's not in their perview to do?

Close the fucking Adminstrative Branch the fuck down!!!

By what fucking constitutional means? A magic spell? Some pack of direwolfs or deatheaters they are holding down in the basement at the Cannon office building that they could release at any minute instead of MEETING IN COMMITTEES?

We're fucking running Good Damned CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!!

Stop blaming Democrats for "fucking running Good Damned CONCENTRATION CAMPS" when TRUMP's Cabinet is doing this, and Democrats have been the ones fighting to get those kids from help since they got the house less THAN SIX MONTHS AGO!!!! Jeezus...

We've got fucking dickheads in Border Patrol making sick fucking blowjob jokes about a member of Congress!!!

THIS RISES TO THE LEVEL OF CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND ACTUAL TORTURE WITH YOU??? One minute you're talking about how ineffectual, worthless and lazy these fucking Dem leaders are just fucking around doing nothing in their committees, and NOW INSULTS AND DIRTY PHOTOSHOP MEMES ARE AN ABOMINATION ON PAR WITH CHILDREN IN CAGES?? FFS, that FB page is bad, but seriously... if someone in congress can't be expected to handle what assholes say about them on twitter and FB, then they really are as worthless as claim in your OP...

People are fucking being tortured and killed under OUR watch... and are stewing in their own fucking shit!!

OUR watch? Speak for yourself. People are fucking being tortured and killed under the GOPs watch because they had all three branches of govt until less than 6 months ago... and the OP sounds way more like "stewing in one's own fucking shit" than those in congress actually working to get emergency funding for those kids.

The next time one of these fucking pricks sit in front of a Congressional Committee and refuse to answer questions ought to bring someone over the rail to beat the shit out of them with a two-by-four and have the Sargent At Arms lock them in a fucking closet...no soap...no toothbrush...a dirty toilet to drink out of...no change of clothes.

Expecting Demoratic leaders to fulfill one's own tortured fantasy like in order to give them any credit for doing anything is less than reasonable. Much like expecting them to magically "shut the fucking administration the fuck down,"

I'm watching my fucking country die... and committees are fucking negotiating????

They are fucking investigating and fucking doing things the way that legislators have with the constitutional tools they have to save our democracy. Not everything needs to be a testosterone infused obscenity laced scene from a James Cameron movie in order to be effective at resistiance, no matter how much some people seem to crave that.

Fuck that noise!!!

Well, I guess that's proof you're right and Democratic leaders are not using some secret weapon you think that's in their posession and just won't use because ... Well, why don't you tell us on what basis you're so convinced they won't?

And before you say it... impeachment will not shorten DT's term by a single hour, and it might make him feel cornered enough to pull a reichstag fire, and puts our Democrats from swing/red states in the position of voting for impeachment and the majority of republicans voting against relecting them or voting against impeachment and being voted against by Democrats. It's certainly red meat for people who are bored and impatient with THESE FUCKING COMMITTEES!! but it had better be bulletproof before we start, in order to mitigate the possibly deadly consequences.


Your strongly worded letter with all caps and many 'fucks" is noted. Now what the "fuck" are you personally doing to "fucking do" with all this excess energy besides trash Democratic leaders on Democratic Underground. Other than behaving like some lady in Target who WANTS TO SEE THE MANAGER RIGHT NOW, because her CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPERIENCE WAS SUB PAR! and is therfore ENTITLED to nothing less than that girl at the return counter being FIRED RIGHT NOW, in FRONT OF EVERYONE!!

I won't hold my breath.

[Blue_Tires]

130. co-signed...

[gordianot]

131. They need to read some history.

Human history is not uplifting especially when the so called deal makers equate deals with coercion.

[ehrnst]

162. The author of the OP certainly needs to.

Along with brushing up on the concepts about the division of powers, checks and balances and other basic concepts one learns in high school government class.

[EffieBlack]

133. If you add a few more curse words to your rant, you'll get their attention.

[ehrnst]

139. And all caps - those REALLY let them know you mean BUSINESS!! (nt)

[wryter2000]

142. Yeah

They can't ignore a post on an internet message board if the F words are in ALL CAPS!!!!!

[NurseJackie]

137. Oh, good grief.

[wryter2000]

140. LOL

[ehrnst]

147. ...

[treestar]

150. They just filed a lawsuit to get Dump's tax returns

As a legislative body, they are limited by the POTUS and the Senate. They are a check on them as obviously they would not pass legislation that the right wants. What else you expect them to do, I don't know.

The administration has to be sued. Only the judicial branch can order him to do something or quit doing something.

Most important, we have to vote him out and keep the House (the one you are decrying) and get the Senate.

[lapucelle]

155. So far...crickets.

[lapucelle]

157. ...

[ehrnst]

159. If you are calm then clearly you don't understand how Democratic leaders are fucking everything up.

Get with the PROGRAM!!!!!!

[triron]

183. Good luck with that. Russians are quite skilled now at altering any election here they want.

Lots of practice in 2016 and noone is doing anything to stop them again.

[treestar]

209. That we can fight

If they put out false propaganda. There is an awareness of it now that was not there in 2016.

[stillcool]

166. Condemnation prior to investigation..

there is so much to read, but I refuse to go hunt up links to post. No one is interested in reading beyond a headline. Obviously, what goes in, is what comes out.

[lapucelle]

169. "Lawsuits aren't on an instant gratification timeline..."

Link to tweet

[LiberalFighter]

181. There is a difference between Nadler and a armchair quarterback

Nadler knows what he is doing. You may not think he is but he is working hard to make sure it is doen right.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12235974

[sheshe2]

203. Thanks for the link, LiberalFighter. nt

[sheshe2]

193. ...

You sure told them.