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bluestarone

(16,939 posts)
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 07:58 AM Jun 2019

I read in a thread here that an election observer witnessed votes changed.(Ohio i believe) Question!

If true just what OPTIONS do observers have? How can this be brought fourth, so citizens can see this? If i were an observer and this happened i would come UNCORKED and IMMEDIATELY contact my democratic leader. What else could they do?

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I read in a thread here that an election observer witnessed votes changed.(Ohio i believe) Question! (Original Post) bluestarone Jun 2019 OP
If they didn't step forward then samplegirl Jun 2019 #1
I wondered how DeWine was barely elected. True Blue American Jun 2019 #2
For DeWine to have won 250,000 people went and voted for a liberal democrat in Sherrod Brown .... Botany Jun 2019 #4
I guess They did go to their supervisors bluestarone Jun 2019 #3
It is impossible to witness votes changed. Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #5
TY for your reply. bluestarone Jun 2019 #6
The Democratic teams, at least, are very well organized to elevate problems Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #7

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
2. I wondered how DeWine was barely elected.
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 08:08 AM
Jun 2019

The Diebold machines are still used here. Cordray was such a better choice.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
4. For DeWine to have won 250,000 people went and voted for a liberal democrat in Sherrod Brown ....
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 08:42 AM
Jun 2019

.... for Senator but turned around and voted for a conservative republicans for Governor, Sec. of State,
& A.G..

bluestarone

(16,939 posts)
3. I guess They did go to their supervisors
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 08:09 AM
Jun 2019

But they did nothing. I don't know the facts BUT WOW, i couldn't handle it if NOTHING was done.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
5. It is impossible to witness votes changed.
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 08:46 AM
Jun 2019

The votes are registered internally - where no one can see.

If the machine is a touch-screen, you can witness a mis-calibrated machine register a different candidate than you touched, My TomTom doest the same thing - it always "changes" the state, the letters, etc., because its calibration is off, and I have to touch the very bottom left corner of the letter - and sometimes the letter diagonally below and to the left of the one I actually want. I am constantly amazed at the number of people who never seem to have encountered a mis-calibrated touch screen prior to using a touch screen for voting.

If that happens when you are voting, you fix it, make sure it is displaying the candidate you intended to select, and you verify your votes - again - on the final screen before hitting "cast ballot." You report it to the precinct worker from Board of Elections worker, who should take it out of service until it can be recalibrated. If they don't, find your party observer, report it to them, and they will have phone numbers to contact the proper officials in the county (rather than precinct worker) to address the problem.

(I've worked several elections as both a precinct observer, as well as in the party "war room" relaying concerns just like this one to the county - both as well as a party observer in the county board of elections in Ohio receiving these reports from the precinct observers or the war room and relaying them to the proper county officials to address.)

bluestarone

(16,939 posts)
6. TY for your reply.
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 09:06 AM
Jun 2019

I see you are in Ohio as well. The concern i have would be if the proper county officials would turn a blind eye to your concerns. What would be YOUR options? TY for your service as an observer! Hearing your thoughts, make me feel somewhat better. I would hope ALL observers are ready to fight if they witness something wrong!

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
7. The Democratic teams, at least, are very well organized to elevate problems
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:01 AM
Jun 2019

including, if necessary, filing for immediate injunctive relief. Especially in presidential elections, there are multiple layers of problem solvers both in every county.

I've been a board of elections observer in both Republican and a Democratic counties. Both boards were very concerned about having open and fair elections - and were responsive to problems I reported. I was lower in the observer hierarchy when I reported issues in the Republican County to the folks in my team higher up, who elevated it to the state, and it was quickly resolved. That report got the attention of the folks in charge of the Democratic observer team, who elevated me to the "war room" in the next presidential election (the "war room" takes all of the calls from the 1st line precinct observers, trouble shoots and - if necessary - elevates it to the trouble-shooters in the Board of Elections. After serving in the "war room" for Obama's re-election, I was asked to move up a step to replace one of two observers in the Board of Elections, when the previous person in that role was named the president of the Board of Elections. In that role, I took referrals from the "war room" that they could not resolve directly to either an employee of the county board of elections or a member of the board of elections. If it could not be resolved there, we take it to the Democratic state team (heavily supported by the Democratic national team) for resolution. If necessary, they file an immediate lawsuit for injunctive relief.

Reports like these are often the result of the Democratic observer team filing - or threatening to file - for immediate injunctive relief:

Seitz's proposal comes after judges in Southwest Ohio kept polls open late during the March and November elections. Last November, Hamilton County Common Pleas Judge Robert Ruehlman, a Republican, ordered polls to remain open an additional 90 minutes because of technical glitches that caused some delays on Election Day. During the March 15 primary, U.S. District Judge Susan Dlott ordered polls to stay open another hour after learning about a serious crash on I-275.


At least in the years I've worked, the Democratic observers were consistently present (unlike the Republican sounterparts), and consistently better organized than the Republican counterparts. For example, in the Republican county, I went daily to the Board of elections during the early voting - I didn't encounter any Republican observers until election day, and the processing of absentee ballots after the election. Observers are permitted to be present during all stages of the operation - at the request of a candidate - and must be formally registered with the state in advance of the election. Republicans (at least in our state) just aren't very good at getting organized and filling their rosters.

I haven't encountered any observers not willing to fight - a more likely problem is observers who don't understand what they are seeing and - for example - start accusing election officials of rigging the vote by using machines that switch people's votes - rather than asking for a miscalibrated machine to be taken out of service until it can be re-calibrated, and elevating to the next level. (When well-intended observers are perceived as being disruptive, they can be removed - and there is no ability to replace them on the fly becuase all observers must be registered in advance.

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