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G_j

(40,366 posts)
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 11:00 AM Jun 2019

Prepared for arrest: Japanese-Americans protest at Fort Sill over incoming migrant children

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https://www.duncanbanner.com/news/prepared-for-arrest-japanese-americans-protest-at-fort-still-over/article_789070aa-9542-11e9-8107-9fcd6387dce9.html

FORT SILL — A demonstration protesting “unjust incarceration” of immigrants ended without incident or arrest following military police’s insistence the event be moved off base property.
Approximately 25 people — World War II Japanese-American internment camp survivors, their descendants and others — planned to hold a news conference outside this Army base near Lawton, Oklahoma.

The group — Tsuru for Solidarity — were protesting a plan to temporarily house up to 5,000 unaccompanied children through Sept. 30.
“Seventy-five years ago, 120,000 of us were removed from our homes and forcibly incarcerated in prison camps across the country,” said Dr. Satsuki Ina, who held a sign with a photo of her as a child in a WWII internment camp. “We’re here today to protest the repetition of history.”

Ina said she was among those held in “American concentration camps” under indefinite detention.
“We were without due process of law; we were charged without any evidence of being a threat to national security; that we were an ‘unassimilable race’; that we were a threat to the economy,” Ina said.
She said those exact words are being repeated today regarding “innocent people seeking asylum in this country.”

“Unlike 1942, when America turned their backs on us while we were disappearing from our homes, our schools, our farms and our jobs — we’re here today to speak out, to protest the unjust incarceration of innocent people seeking refuge in this country,” Ina said.
“We stand with them and we say, ‘Stop repeating history.'"

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Prepared for arrest: Japanese-Americans protest at Fort Sill over incoming migrant children (Original Post) G_j Jun 2019 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #1
So many thanks to these patriots. nolabear Jun 2019 #2
.... sarge43 Jun 2019 #3
OMG!! That's how you do it!! Leghorn21 Jun 2019 #4
K&R onetexan Jun 2019 #22
Wonderful malaise Jun 2019 #5
Courageous, decent Americans....now and then. Hulk Jun 2019 #6
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2019 #7
thanks for sharing this story MadLinguist Jun 2019 #8
Thank you for noticing that G_j Jun 2019 #16
Outstanding! awesomerwb1 Jun 2019 #9
Please correct. Fort SILL Sienna86 Jun 2019 #10
Ah, good ol' Fort Sill. Ligyron Jun 2019 #11
Not to mention the NA residential school there bigbrother05 Jun 2019 #12
That Geronimo story was likey a hoax: Liberty Belle Jun 2019 #15
I thought that cliff looked a little too high to survive a fall from. Ligyron Jun 2019 #18
When the legend becomes fact, print the legend. Brother Buzz Jun 2019 #19
I was stationed there. Absolutely horrible base. Recursion Jun 2019 #28
Ah, but Lawton was such a wonderful town though... Ligyron Jun 2019 #30
*snort* Recursion Jun 2019 #33
Wait, you forgot pawn shops! Ligyron Jun 2019 #35
Can you imagine the terror Mr Jimmy Jun 2019 #13
welcome to DU gopiscrap Jun 2019 #36
This needs to done by a lot more people Kaiserguy Jun 2019 #14
And yet Ohiogal Jun 2019 #17
We owe them for standing up because they lived it, right here, and are putting their necks on Evolve Dammit Jun 2019 #20
God bless these protestors! pazzyanne Jun 2019 #21
'We did not inter German Americans.' Celerity Jun 2019 #24
Thanks for broadening my perspective on this. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #25
And Italians jberryhill Jun 2019 #29
Didn't have any personal experience with discussions about the Italian camps. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #31
Hardly on the same scale though. Persondem Jun 2019 #34
These 25 American Patriots are awesome. Dixc Jun 2019 #23
The comments under this article were revealing. PatrickforO Jun 2019 #26
TAKING ACTION orangecrush Jun 2019 #27
Issei and Nisei heroes Generic Other Jun 2019 #32

Response to G_j (Original post)

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
6. Courageous, decent Americans....now and then.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 11:18 AM
Jun 2019

Unbelievable how this country has treated it's citizens throughout history. Based on a brutal extermination of the Native Americans, right up to today's atrocities.

Ligyron

(7,614 posts)
11. Ah, good ol' Fort Sill.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 12:17 PM
Jun 2019

Temporary home of many, many Native Americans throughout the years, one of the more famous alumni being Apache war chief Geronimo who escaped by leaping off a breathtakingly high cliff into the shallow waters below.

Hence the traditional cry "Geronimo!" While leaping out of perfectly good aircraft or jumps of some significance back on earth.

Apparently they have not just the necessary hands on experience but a proud tradition of warehousing troublesome humans in less than desirable conditions there at Ft. Sill.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
12. Not to mention the NA residential school there
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 12:31 PM
Jun 2019

Active into the '70s for Native kids, many from western reservations.

Liberty Belle

(9,531 posts)
15. That Geronimo story was likey a hoax:
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 01:09 PM
Jun 2019
http://www.native-languages.org/iaq22.htm

Q: Why do people shout 'Geronimo!' when they jump off something high or do something else dangerous? Was this an Apache battle cry, or a reference to something the historical Geronimo really did?

A: No, this common use of the name Geronimo comes from the US military during World War II. Paratroopers would shout "Geronimo!" as they jumped from their planes. Many of them claimed this was because the Apache chief himself bellowed this out as a war cry, and that he once evaded the US Army by leaping his horse off a cliff into a river near their air force base in Ft. Sill, Oklahoma. These are highly unlikely stories. Geronimo really did evade the US Army on many occasions and was well-known for daring feats, but all of them happened in Apache territory in Arizona, New Mexico, and Mexico. Geronimo was only sent to Oklahoma near the end of his life, as a prisoner of war, and did not do any fighting or escaping while he was there. Furthermore, "Geronimo" is what the Spanish called him (his own name was Goyathlay), so he would never have shouted it in battle or while performing acrobatics on horseback.

Like most military legends, this one probably has a less mysterious explanation. One veteran quoted in the Morris Dictionary of Word and Phrase Origins remembered it this way: "In the early days of the 82nd Airborne, the men used to go to the nearby movie in Lafayetteville. During the week scheduled for the division's initial jumps, they saw a movie named "Geronimo." Anyway, one guy hollered the name and one of those things no one can explain happened. The whole division took it up and from them it spread to the later-activated airborne forces." This lively online account of the same incident has more detail including the name of the private who started the tradition. The stories told by these veterans about a paratrooper's act of bravado inspired by a movie seem highly plausible in comparison to an untraceable legend about an Apache warrior shouting out the wrong name in the wrong state.

Ligyron

(7,614 posts)
18. I thought that cliff looked a little too high to survive a fall from.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 03:12 PM
Jun 2019

Not only that, but the stream he would have landed in down below was pretty darn shallow too.

However, be that as it may, rest assured that this legend is still being fed to the soldiers in their thousands who are stationed there or those who have come to OK for training as I did.

And there are thousands of Native Americans living around there who will tell you the same story.

Because after all, why let the truth get in the way of a good tale?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
28. I was stationed there. Absolutely horrible base.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 05:30 AM
Jun 2019

I'm convinced all the artillery ranges wound up leaking something into the water.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
33. *snort*
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:22 PM
Jun 2019

When I was there the base commander was a fundie nut who forced all the strip clubs in town to shut down. Normally you can tell a base town because of the long stretch of payday loan places, car dealerships, bail bondsmen, and strip clubs. When it's just the first three it's even more depressing.

Ligyron

(7,614 posts)
35. Wait, you forgot pawn shops!
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:11 PM
Jun 2019

Those around Lawton were great, I bought a old 30/06 deer rife for $7.00 but this was in the late '70's. If you lost any TA50 (field equipment) it was easily and cheaply replaced.

And yeah, there were tons of strip clubs and OMG, prostitutes swarming everywhere around those.

Funny how things change. I think more and more fundies started joining the services right about the time I got out. It might be that the 7 Mountain, Xian Dominion thing started about then.

Ohiogal

(31,876 posts)
17. And yet
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jun 2019

as proven by one of the comments after the article, the right wing nit wits blame the parents of these children for bringing them here in the first place..... unreal.

Can they even wrap their little pea brains around the fact that these people aren't coming here for a summer vacation? That conditions in their home country are so horrendous that they risk life and limb to come to the USA where they know they won't exactly be welcomed?

And, BTW, nothing is illegal about claiming asylum. I wish the MSM would stop calling them "illegal immigrants".

I have heard many RWNJ say they just come here for the "free stuff". The lack of compassion and ignorance just boggles my mind.

Evolve Dammit

(16,689 posts)
20. We owe them for standing up because they lived it, right here, and are putting their necks on
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 09:05 PM
Jun 2019

the line. Don't ever forget.

pazzyanne

(6,541 posts)
21. God bless these protestors!
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 09:07 PM
Jun 2019

These people have their roots in American concentration caps. They were incarcerated simply because they were Japanese Americans. We did not inter German Americans.

Celerity

(43,039 posts)
24. 'We did not inter German Americans.'
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 11:08 PM
Jun 2019

Not true

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans

Internment of German resident aliens and German-American citizens occurred in the United States during the periods of World War I & World War II. During World War II, the legal basis for this detention was under Presidential Proclamation 2526, made by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt under the authority of the Alien and Sedition Acts.

With the US entry into World War I, German nationals were automatically classified as "enemy aliens." Two of the four main World War I-era internment camps were located in Hot Springs, N.C. and Fort Oglethorpe, Georgia. Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer wrote that "All aliens interned by the government are regarded as enemies, and their property is treated accordingly."

By the time of WWII, the United States had a large population of ethnic Germans. Among residents of the United States in 1940, more than 1.2 million persons had been born in Germany, 5 million had two native-German parents, and 6 million had one native-German parent. Many more had distant German ancestry. During WWII, the United States detained at least 11,000 ethnic Germans, overwhelmingly German nationals. The government examined the cases of German nationals individually, and detained relatively few in internment camps run by the Department of Justice, as related to its responsibilities under the Alien and Sedition Acts. To a much lesser extent, some ethnic German US citizens were classified as suspect after due process and also detained. Similarly, a small proportion of Italian nationals and Italian Americans were interned in relation to their total population in the US. The United States had allowed immigrants from both Germany and Italy to become naturalized citizens, which many had done by then. In the early 21st century, Congress considered legislation to study treatment of European Americans during WWII, but it did not pass the House of Representatives. Activists and historians have identified certain injustices against these groups.

President Woodrow Wilson issued two sets of regulations on April 6, 1917, and November 16, 1917, imposing restrictions on German-born male residents of the United States over the age of 14. The rules were written to include natives of Germany who had become citizens of countries other than the U.S.; all were classified as aliens. Some 250,000 people in that category were required to register at their local post office, to carry their registration card at all times, and to report any change of address or employment. The same regulations and registration requirements were imposed on females on April 18, 1918. Some 6,300 such aliens were arrested. Thousands were interrogated and investigated. A total of 2,048 were incarcerated for the remainder of the war in two camps, Fort Douglas, Utah, for those west of the Mississippi, and Fort Oglethorpe, Georgia, for those east of the Mississippi.




pazzyanne

(6,541 posts)
25. Thanks for broadening my perspective on this.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 11:54 PM
Jun 2019

I was using personal experiences as I was a small child during WWII, and I remember my grandparents and Mom talking about the Japanese being held in "prison" camps. I did not hear them talk about camps for Germans. However, they did talk about incidents on Sunday in our home town where shouting matches and fights broke out between the Scandinavians and the Germans. Those two churches were and still are across the street from each other.

pazzyanne

(6,541 posts)
31. Didn't have any personal experience with discussions about the Italian camps.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 08:17 AM
Jun 2019

I live in the Midwest. Lots of Germans and Scandinavians here, ergo family stories.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
34. Hardly on the same scale though.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jun 2019

"11,000 ethnic Germans, overwhelmingly German nationals." [emphasis added] ... which means very few of the Germans detained were US citizens. So perhaps a few hundred German-Americans were detained versus 100,000+ of Japanese-Americans.

Also from your source ... "The government examined the cases of German nationals individually, and detained relatively few in internment camps run by the Department of Justice, as related to its responsibilities under the Alien and Sedition Acts. To a much lesser extent, some ethnic German US citizens were classified as suspect after due process and also detained."

So German-Americans were allowed due process and treated on an individual basis, unlike Japanese-Americans.

Dixc

(52 posts)
23. These 25 American Patriots are awesome.
Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:58 PM
Jun 2019

All Americans to should be making noise about this outrage. Calling for T to resign, now!

PatrickforO

(14,556 posts)
26. The comments under this article were revealing.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 12:35 AM
Jun 2019

There was one right wing comment followed by four decent people who used phrases like 'bigot in chief.' And this is in OK.

Maybe, there is some hope!

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