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These quandaries are standard issue for doctors and nurses. Luckily, the response is usually standard issue as well: An overwhelming majority do the right thing for their patients, even at a high personal cost.
It is true that health care has become corporatized to an almost unrecognizable degree. But it is also true that most clinicians remain committed to the ethics that brought them into the field in the first place. This makes the hospital an inspiring place to work.
Increasingly, though, Ive come to the uncomfortable realization that this ethic that I hold so dear is being cynically manipulated. By now, corporate medicine has milked just about all the efficiency it can out of the system. With mergers and streamlining, it has pushed the productivity numbers about as far as they can go. But one resource that seems endless and free is the professional ethic of medical staff members.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/opinion/sunday/hospitals-doctors-nurses-burnout.html
tulipsandroses
(5,122 posts)I have spent hours after my 12 hr shift completing documentation. My 12 hr shift ends up being 13-14 hrs. Many days, no break during those shifts. I was happy to hand in my 2 week notice recently to move on to the next phase of my career. They say never say never but I don't see hospital work in my future. I plan to work in out patient care from now on.
Healthcare is a business no matter where you are. However corporate greed in hospitals has become unbearable for me.
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)We have a decent union, but the missed lunches and breaks and unpaid labor with ridiculous charting is rampant as is the issue in many, many hospitals
tulipsandroses
(5,122 posts)I just hate the corporate greed. My current organization has completely soured me on hospital work.
One example - We recently had a JCAHO visit - that week every unit was overstaffed. After the visit we went back to bare bones staffing. Its just outrageous- they put profit ahead of patient safety. More patients, more documentation. It seems like every time I go back to work, there is a new memo about new documentation added! I don't have more hours in my shift to get it done though, neither do I have more staff to help.
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)The one that that idiot said something about nurses playing cards instead of working. It helps, it gives teeth to our union, and management does a fairly decent job of responding. We have tons of charting, but they are streamlining some of it, as it gets completely redundant. We staffed up during JACHO as well. I rolled my eyes so hard I thought they were going to stick that way
tulipsandroses
(5,122 posts)[link:https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/rns-applaud-reintroduction-federal-safe-staffing-bills-mandating-nurse-patient-ratios|[link:https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/rns-applaud-reintroduction-federal-safe-staffing-bills-mandating-nurse-patient-ratios|
Playing cards instead of working. What a joke! There are days I can't even make it to the restroom!
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)Fighting for what patients need.
The problem is that they call the customer service phone number and the insurance tells them that its the doctors office who isnt doing what they need them to dopaid customer service agents. We call the other number where those folks are anything but customer service agents and are rewarded when they say no.
Its exhausting.
Wounded Bear
(58,604 posts)Perhaps health care should not be a business.
Perhaps life and death decisions should not be based on profit motives.
But that's just me.
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)But even run as a charity, or as single payer, or a public option, people still need to be paid, equipment needs to be boughtsmall rural hospitals send out patients they cant work up because of lack of equipment and personnelmedicines need to be developed, tested and given. Healthcare is complex.
On the other hand, We are currently behind on antibiotic development became there isnt enough profit for drug companies. So yeah. A lot of work needs to be done
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)with one specific fairly rare diagnosis. We had a huge caseload because we worked at a very large medical center that got referrals from all over the country. On the days we didnt have clinic, we would come in in the morning and spend all morning responding to voice mails from patients. Sometimes, when we went to lunch we would have 0-3 voice mails left in our inbox. One half hour later, wed return and wed often have 50-60 new voice mails. We never caught up. Then the department head told us we had to head a research project on top of all of this. The more you did, the more you were given. It was brutal. And clinic days were even worse because there was no time to deal with anything but the most urgent patient messages. We cared so much for those patients, but management was relentless with demands on us.
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)FakeNoose
(32,596 posts)I don't know if this is true any more, but the American Medical Association used to make sure that American medical schools graduated few enough doctors and medical professionals in order to maintain a shortage. MDs would always remain at the top of the food chain as long as the shortage continued, so of course it worked to their advantage. Sure there's physician burnout, there's also normal attrition, retirement, career changes, etc. Our population is growing, why are there so few seats available in the medical schools?
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)Because its very true. Also, less people are willing to work so hard in school their entire young adult life for payoff that isnt worth it, given the relatively low pay for a PCP and the high cost of medical school.
Nursing leaders are working to fix this hole with advanced practice RNs, including a PHD program. PA programs are also an attractive option.
Its definitely part of the mosaic that is the healthcare picture
Aristus
(66,294 posts)My staff is all unionized, which I support 100%. So when closing time comes, they have to go home. Whether I see sixteen patients in a day, or twenty-five, it's the same.
So I try to free up as much time as possible by managing the expectations of the patients. There's usually only ever time to address one medical complaint. If you bring a laundry list of complaints in with you, you'll have to take it right back out with you after having selected the one thing you don't want to leave without having it addressed.
That may see hard and unfeeling. But I can't count how many times a patient has complained to me about the length of the wait when I finally get in to the exam room. And when I'm done fixing whatever they came in for, they say: "Oh, one more thing!..."
I then explain that they waited so long because every patient ahead of them had "...just one more thing!" And having to address every single little symptom they have is going to send the game into extra innings.
I respect the fact that not every patient can secure the time off from work, or get a babysitter, or whatever they need to do to get in to the clinic to address the complaints the provider said would require additional visits. Time is precious, and nobody who works for a living has enough of it. It's a little dance we're going to have to do until the powers that be finally realize that increased productivity usually leads to poorer clinical outcomes.
Patients: be patient with us. We want to fix your problems. There just aren't enough hours in the day...
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)Strong unions even more. My hospital at least tries, despite having more than our share of the underserved, and the near hopelessly sick. Ive heard horror stories from nurses from other parts of the country with weak or non-existent Hosptunions.
All that being said, simply ENOUGH clinics, with enough willing providers to do primary care are definitely part of the big picture of how to heal our healthcare system. Thank you for all you do
Aristus
(66,294 posts)The poor MD's I work with have insane productivity requirements. They generally see twenty-five to thirty patients a day.
That is, until they burn out three years into their tenure with our organization, and look for work somewhere else.
I haven't had a vacation in five years. I've had a week off here and there, usually to pay duty calls on family members in other states. But a full-up, out-of-town, pack some luggage, get away with the wife vacation? Five. Fucking. Years.
We're planning a real vacation for this fall. Can't wait...