Let's get one thing clear about D-Day

[Trumpocalypse]

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These were the good guys





And these were the bad guys

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Why is this even an issue? Who ever said the Nazis were the good guys?

[Trumpocalypse]

3. Here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12167950

[Codeine]

4. DU shitshow in another thread.

Something to keep the usual suspects occupied until they can bitch about Hiroshima.

[Trumpocalypse]

5. Exactly

because of things like that is why the left often loses the patriotism argument to the right.

[Hekate]

6. Zap! I think you got that one exactly right.This is just prior to the Annual DU Rewrite History Fest

[PCIntern]

2. I'm sure there were fine people

on both sides

in extremis

[Trumpocalypse]

7. Unfortunately

Some agree with Trump on that.

[hunter]

8. Everybody thinks they'd never be a Nazi.

Yet here we are, eating the earth.

[inanna]

9. Recommend.

n/t

[GulfCoast66]

10. I agree 100%. But because I can't help myself...

The people that did/lost the most to defeat the Nazis were Stalins Russians who went on to oppress Eastern Europe as they previously had the Ukraine, where they created a genocide, and all of Russia.

Were they good guys? They were not fighting to make the world safe for democracy.

And I agree we are coming up on the whole DU changing history season. August is just around the corner.

But it gets complicated.

[cwydro]

11. Some people simply can't see the shades of grey.

That’s a shame.

[GulfCoast66]

13. My dad, who died way too young, I was 24...

Told me life was grey and never trust anyone who explained it in Black and White. Politician, boss or preacher.

That had been my guiding light since. Not sure he would approve it would lead me to being the Freethinker I have become.

But I imagine he would approve.

[Kaleva]

12. While all Nazis are bad, only a small percentage of Germans belonged to the Nazi Party

[GulfCoast66]

14. But they all fought for a shitty cause.

As did my ancestors in the Civil War.

But the question of the Soviet troops gets really grey. They did way more than the west to defeat the Nazis. Truth be told, even without D-Day they would have eventually defeated Germany. But they were attacked by the Germans. But in many ways were as bad as the Nazis.

Were the Russians good guys or bad guys?

[Kaleva]

15. A better way to phrase it

Was the Soviet Union good guys or bad guys?

To argue that one nationality or group of nationalities was/or is superior to others is not good IMHO.

[GulfCoast66]

16. Well, I have to disagree.

While life may be full of Grey, the Nazis, who represented the Germans from from the early 1930’s till 1945 were clearly evil and represented a ideology that needed defeating. As was the confederacy The grey comes in with the Soviet Union who in many ways were as bad as the Nazis. But were our allies in WWII.

I’ve traveled enough to know individuals are pretty much the same. We want a good life and our children to have a better life. But not all societies work to make that goal a reality.

[Trumpocalypse]

19. True

But most supported Hitler and the Nazis

[Kaleva]

20. Videos of Trump rallies would give the impression that Trump enjoys widespread support

[Trumpocalypse]

21. Not a fair comparison

Hitler volunteered for the army.

[Kaleva]

24. True

[Trumpocalypse]

18. Let's say

the Soviet Union was the lesser of two evils.

[jpak]

23. Russia was not at Normandy on D-Day

Just sayin'

[Aristus]

25. No. They were too busy fighting along the longest war front in all of recorded history.

Had been doing so for three years before the Western Allies landed in France.

[Hugin]

17. I thought you were going to say there were no Trumps anywhere near it.

They were busy grifting.

[Trumpocalypse]

22. Trump had a cousin who died in a German POW camp

Fell out of a guard tower.

[keithbvadu2]

28. Donald said his daddy was born in Germany.

Donald said his daddy was born in Germany.

[captain queeg]

26. Not feeling sorry for the Germans.

Can you imagine the troops stationed on the coast that morning? As the sun came up the ocean as far as the eye could see was covered with ships. Depends on your source, around 6,000. Also the sky was filled with14,000 airplanes. They must of figured the gates of hell opened up on them.

Never anything close to it before or since (though if the war would have went on the invasion of Japan probably would have been bigger.

[Trumpocalypse]

30. Maybe something like this.