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onecaliberal

(32,489 posts)
Sun May 26, 2019, 09:02 PM May 2019

Evidence Russia helped elect trump is staggering.

EVIDENCE RUSSIA TIPPED ELECTION FOR TRUMP ‘STAGGERING,’ SAYS FORMER U.S. INTEL CHIEF JAMES CLAPPER

To conclude otherwise stretches logic, common sense and credulity to the breaking point. Less than eighty thousand votes in three key states swung the election. I have no doubt that more votes than that were influenced by this massive effort by the Russians.”


https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-russia-tipped-election-trump-staggering-says-former-us-intel-chief-940086?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

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Evidence Russia helped elect trump is staggering. (Original Post) onecaliberal May 2019 OP
I knew... bamagal62 May 2019 #1
I have to wash socks. BBL. n/t rzemanfl May 2019 #14
rzemanfl, why are your saidsimplesimon May 2019 #57
That's been my suspicion all along leanforward May 2019 #55
Ditto. dchill May 2019 #58
I heard his book talk last year MBS May 2019 #2
He and others in the Intel community seem really concerned for our nations security. onecaliberal May 2019 #4
They KNOW how bad the situation is. MBS May 2019 #5
They know dump is psychotic. onecaliberal May 2019 #7
yup. MBS May 2019 #10
There are Russian connections for each of them. They're owned. onecaliberal May 2019 #13
yeah. MBS May 2019 #18
Because they are ALL whores beholden to Russia. Haggis for Breakfast May 2019 #22
and that's why he is so defensive and offensive. He knows it too. nt Grasswire2 May 2019 #3
Not just Trump. Senators: Toomey, Blunt, Johnson. EndGOPPropaganda May 2019 #6
Exactly. Since there are no constitutional remedies, I don't think they want to tell Americans. onecaliberal May 2019 #9
There ARE constitutional remedies EndGOPPropaganda May 2019 #11
I agree, I'm in the impeach now camp. Maybe we're moving towards it. onecaliberal May 2019 #15
Yes. An esteemed political scientist confirms: Trump stole the election EndGOPPropaganda May 2019 #8
Russia delivered the presidency to Trump Martin Eden May 2019 #38
A foreign enemy attacked us basically. BigmanPigman May 2019 #56
trump is putin's puppet Gothmog May 2019 #12
I never had a doubt. lpbk2713 May 2019 #16
Why didnt Democrats do anything about this election fraud,election theft after INdemo May 2019 #36
Why didn't they release this information after the election? hughee99 May 2019 #17
I keep thinking about the look on Feinstein's face after a meeting early on. onecaliberal May 2019 #20
If Clapper is saying this, they must have known for a while. hughee99 May 2019 #35
I'm sure clapper is in touch with people, but yeah I think they've known. onecaliberal May 2019 #37
251 PROVEN CONTACTS between the Trump Campaign and Russia. Botany May 2019 #19
Seems like whatever it is, is so big they're afraid to tell the country. onecaliberal May 2019 #21
They are very afraid Kaiserguy May 2019 #25
I've been wondering how the Butina and NRA piece fits in all of this? onecaliberal May 2019 #27
kremlin's been using talk radio for at least a decade - all this shit piggybacks decades certainot May 2019 #31
Isn't that typical for a presidential campaign? Martin Eden May 2019 #39
From Clapper's piece sited in the O.P. Botany May 2019 #42
K&R UTUSN May 2019 #23
Yes if 'influenced' includes decided by election engineering (i.e. manipulation of cast votes). triron May 2019 #24
Yep, that's what I'm thinking. Ilsa May 2019 #34
That IS the big question, beyond the obviously dangerous fact that the Russians TRIED to interfere Nitram May 2019 #26
Another BIG question: Martin Eden May 2019 #40
Easy. Trump is easy to manipulate because he admires strong authoritarian men, and is like Nitram May 2019 #41
Mitch McConnell's net worth increased by $25 million at the end of 2015. Initech May 2019 #28
I read that on twitter, very good questions. I love to hear the answers. onecaliberal May 2019 #29
Putin's calculation was that Republican leaders like McConnell would not defend their Democratic ancianita May 2019 #49
K&R smirkymonkey May 2019 #30
Wikipedia says that he got a personal gift from his father-in-law, James Chao. ancianita May 2019 #50
Ah, some good old fashioned quid pro quo? Initech May 2019 #51
Kinda. But since he lives in China (or somewhere) his family gift is just a gift, I think. The quid ancianita May 2019 #54
Cellular modems are used to transmit county voting results... ElementaryPenguin May 2019 #32
There is nothing untouched by corruption. Nothing. onecaliberal May 2019 #33
This should be the first to go !! There's little reason to believe 2020 is going to be free and fair uponit7771 May 2019 #43
Many of us knew that on election night/the morning after malaise May 2019 #44
To an extent we have to be better prepared for this new normal. aikoaiko May 2019 #45
trump's a illegitimate president duforsure May 2019 #46
This is really depressing karin_sj May 2019 #47
Mueller?... Mueller?... Blue Owl May 2019 #48
40% of our fellow citizens are A-OK with this as long as it's their side with a boot on our neck. CrispyQ May 2019 #52
40% have been told not to believe it in a cult like fassion, without the fairness doctrine a ... uponit7771 May 2019 #60
Unless someone can tie trump to paying the Ruskies, it just doesn't matter at this point. Hoyt May 2019 #53
Interesting article, but it's from 2018. A little over one year ago. scarletwoman May 2019 #59

bamagal62

(3,218 posts)
1. I knew...
Sun May 26, 2019, 09:06 PM
May 2019

I said this from the get-go...I was living in PA at the time. The votes were changed/hacked. I'm sure of it.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
57. rzemanfl, why are your
Mon May 27, 2019, 04:31 PM
May 2019

socks in need of constant washing? I'm puzzled by your frequent use of "wash socks"?

leanforward

(1,073 posts)
55. That's been my suspicion all along
Mon May 27, 2019, 02:08 PM
May 2019

The russians are trying everything to increase their ROI with that mob organization.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
2. I heard his book talk last year
Sun May 26, 2019, 09:08 PM
May 2019

He's a level-headed, no-drama kind of guy. Which makes his fact-based conclusions even more compelling.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
5. They KNOW how bad the situation is.
Sun May 26, 2019, 09:16 PM
May 2019

If they're scared, I'm for sure scared.

At the end of Clapper's talk, a psychiatrist asked him, "I've heard that the CIA., like other intelligence agencies, draws psychological profiles of foreign leaders. If you were a foreign intelligence agent drawing a profile of Trump, how would you describe him?"

Clapper gave a little chuckle, then paused, noting that he'd already been on the receiving end of one of MF45's tweets earlier that day, and wasn't looking forward to getting more of them that day; and you could see he was trying to restrain himself from unloading on the audience exactly what he thought. He finally came up with this: "I'd focus on his unpredictability."

MBS

(9,688 posts)
10. yup.
Sun May 26, 2019, 09:29 PM
May 2019

And I've wondered the same thing.
(Also, I wonder if they've got specific answers as to exactly why Barr, Graham, McConnell, and others have each gone all in to shamelessly enabling Trump, national security, democracy, and the Constitution be damned).

onecaliberal

(32,489 posts)
13. There are Russian connections for each of them. They're owned.
Sun May 26, 2019, 09:34 PM
May 2019

What other reason would there be for them to literally go along with a plan to change the world order.

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
6. Not just Trump. Senators: Toomey, Blunt, Johnson.
Sun May 26, 2019, 09:19 PM
May 2019

Top of ticket helps the Senate races too. And many Senate races were close.

All the GOP judicial confirmations are illegitimate. Not just the nominations, also the confirmation votes. Plus the tax cut bill - it was and is illegitimate. It was signed by an illegitimate president and approved in the Senate by illegitimate Senators.

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
11. There ARE constitutional remedies
Sun May 26, 2019, 09:31 PM
May 2019

Impeach Trump.
Impeach Toomey.
Impeach Blunt.
Impeach Johnson.

Impeach Rick Scott (who also stole his Senate seat via voter suppression).
Impeach DeSantis and Stacey Abrams' opponent.

Put the offenders who committed crimes in jail.

The Republicans are covering this up because they are afraid. We should not be afraid. We should be telling everyone we know that the president is illegimate and his judges need to be un-done.

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
8. Yes. An esteemed political scientist confirms: Trump stole the election
Sun May 26, 2019, 09:21 PM
May 2019
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump

How Russia Helped Swing the Election for Trump
A meticulous analysis of online activity during the 2016 campaign makes a powerful case that targeted cyberattacks by hackers and trolls were decisive.

By Jane MayerSeptember 24, 2018

Politicians may be too timid to explore the subject, but a new book from, of all places, Oxford University Press promises to be incendiary. “Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a President—What We Don’t, Can’t, and Do Know,” by Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor of communications at the University of Pennsylvania, dares to ask—and even attempts to answer—whether Russian meddling had a decisive impact in 2016. Jamieson offers a forensic analysis of the available evidence and concludes that Russia very likely delivered Trump’s victory.

BigmanPigman

(51,432 posts)
56. A foreign enemy attacked us basically.
Mon May 27, 2019, 03:54 PM
May 2019

And we are friends with them? Huh? Shouldn't we be punishing them? This is an act of war (cyber war). Hillary Clinton said so on her book tour and so have a zillion others. She is our rightful POTUS!

lpbk2713

(42,696 posts)
16. I never had a doubt.
Sun May 26, 2019, 09:41 PM
May 2019


I saw him on the Primary Debates and I said this guy is a joke. I knew the only way he could win would be by election fraud. And sure enough, that's what did it for him.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
36. Why didnt Democrats do anything about this election fraud,election theft after
Mon May 27, 2019, 12:14 AM
May 2019

2000? This is what Democratic Leadership said back in 2000..."We will assure voters that this will never happen again" Well it happen again..in 2004 Now even when the Democrats regained the Senate Majority and the House majority in 2006 they did nothing to protect out elections from fraud and outright theft.
They allowed the Republicans to run all over us especially in the Senate..

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
17. Why didn't they release this information after the election?
Sun May 26, 2019, 09:41 PM
May 2019

People need to see the proof of all the votes that changed as a result of Russian efforts and how they went about changing those votes.

onecaliberal

(32,489 posts)
20. I keep thinking about the look on Feinstein's face after a meeting early on.
Sun May 26, 2019, 09:58 PM
May 2019

She was visibly shaken. Grassly looked disturbed as well. I’m starting to think they’ve known for a while.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
35. If Clapper is saying this, they must have known for a while.
Sun May 26, 2019, 11:45 PM
May 2019

I can’t imagine he’s being kept “in the loop” since he left.

onecaliberal

(32,489 posts)
37. I'm sure clapper is in touch with people, but yeah I think they've known.
Mon May 27, 2019, 12:28 AM
May 2019

We haven’t heard a peep about the counter intelligence investigation.

Botany

(70,291 posts)
19. 251 PROVEN CONTACTS between the Trump Campaign and Russia.
Sun May 26, 2019, 09:48 PM
May 2019

251 PROVEN CONTACTS between the Trump Campaign and Russia.

https://themoscowproject.org/explainers/trumps-russia-cover-up-by-the-numbers-70-contacts-with-russia-linked-operatives/

Call it treason, conspiracy, collusion, fraud, cheating, or the rat fucking of America but
the proof is out there and it is overwhelming.

We need to impeach his ass and then let the republicans in the senate go ahead and stand
shoulder to shoulder with that traitor.

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
25. They are very afraid
Sun May 26, 2019, 10:25 PM
May 2019

to tell America. The GOP would not see power again for a long time and they know it and to them power is everything. As for the media it knows that if the GOP goes down in flames so does it profit. With the GOP dead there is very little need for our side to spend big money on elections. The rich of course don't want the cat let out of the bag the last thing they want is us in power long term.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
31. kremlin's been using talk radio for at least a decade - all this shit piggybacks decades
Sun May 26, 2019, 10:39 PM
May 2019

of talk radio repetition and the russians figured out a decade ago how to piggyback it.

more valuable than compromising con senators is to compromise the talk radio blowhard they're all afraid to contradict

meanwhile the mueller report shows 5 refs to hannity and then redacts his name between graff and hawker due to "harm to ongoing matter"

and who fed limbaugh the material he used to create the predicate for the 'deeep state coup' that's going to get tto the point where the cons are going to say "if you bring in don jr we're going to bring in barack obama"

Botany

(70,291 posts)
42. From Clapper's piece sited in the O.P.
Mon May 27, 2019, 10:35 AM
May 2019

"Surprising even themselves, they swung the election to a Trump win. To conclude otherwise stretches logic, common sense and credulity to the breaking point. Less than eighty thousand votes in three key states swung the election. I have no doubt that more votes than that were influenced by this massive effort by the Russians.”

The republicans and the PTB put back doors into our voting systems that allowed for the tampering of the
data w/out leaving any "footprints" and Russia took full advantage of those designed in weak spots. However
Russia could not have done this without inside help so Paul Manafort, Brad Parscale, and the Mercers
take a bow.

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
34. Yep, that's what I'm thinking.
Sun May 26, 2019, 11:43 PM
May 2019

Flipping a half dozen votes in each precinct probably did the trick.

Nitram

(22,671 posts)
26. That IS the big question, beyond the obviously dangerous fact that the Russians TRIED to interfere
Sun May 26, 2019, 10:28 PM
May 2019

in the election to help trump beat Clinton. It's why Trump rally hates the topic. If the Russians really swung the election for Trump, it means his entire presidency is illegitimate, and the Republican-majority Congress failed in their sworn duty to protect the country from foreign interference. Treason most foul!

Nitram

(22,671 posts)
41. Easy. Trump is easy to manipulate because he admires strong authoritarian men, and is like
Mon May 27, 2019, 10:10 AM
May 2019

putty in the hands of someone like Putin. Putin probably remind him of his Daddy, who he feared and never stopped trying to impress. Trump was also deeply in debt and had reached a point where banks would no longer lend to him. Perfect target for an ex-KGB officer.

Initech

(99,915 posts)
28. Mitch McConnell's net worth increased by $25 million at the end of 2015.
Sun May 26, 2019, 10:30 PM
May 2019

Who paid him? And for what purpose?

ancianita

(35,816 posts)
49. Putin's calculation was that Republican leaders like McConnell would not defend their Democratic
Mon May 27, 2019, 01:23 PM
May 2019

colleagues from foreign cyberattack. The Republicans, as hyperpartisans, would become the GRU and FSB means for inserting Putin's asset into the presidency.

In September, McConnell listened to the heads of American intel agencies report on the Russian cyberinsurgency. He clearly expressed his doubts as to their veracity.

Intel agencies said, in statements later made public, "Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Sec. Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency."

McConnell made it known to Obama and his party that Republicans would treat the defense of the US from Russian cyberwar as an effort to help Hillary Clinton. At that point, Russia had been at work in the US for more than a year, setting up social media accounts, etc. After McConnell categorized the Russian attack as partisan politics, Putin's "active measures" expanded.

The Russian bot offensive took off. It's been an eye opener to find out who had more influence over the Republican Party -- its human leaders or Russian robots. One example is Texas. The fake account posing as the Texas Republicans on Facebook had more members than the actual Republican Party of Texas.

For Republicans, it's been Win At Any Cost. The desire for power and money turned Republicans from portraying Russia as a national security threat to being the secret ally that Paul Ryan said should be kept "in the family."

Their Win At All Cost" formula just followed Putin's playbook. Now even Republican voters see the cost.

They feel trapped, however, and will probably die on that hill.

ancianita

(35,816 posts)
50. Wikipedia says that he got a personal gift from his father-in-law, James Chao.
Mon May 27, 2019, 01:31 PM
May 2019

As you know, 45 made McConnell's wife, Elaine Chao, secretary of transportation, which can't hurt her father's business.

ancianita

(35,816 posts)
54. Kinda. But since he lives in China (or somewhere) his family gift is just a gift, I think. The quid
Mon May 27, 2019, 02:05 PM
May 2019

quo pro part is 45's gift to McConnell for continued help with Putie's agenda. Elaine's quid pro quo part is helping dad and family get richer.

ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
32. Cellular modems are used to transmit county voting results...
Sun May 26, 2019, 10:59 PM
May 2019

Which means routers on the internet are involved - and the Russians are proficient at hacking these - allowing them to either change the voting results, or reach into the machines and use malware to alter official results.

Very hard to detect when it's done - and certainly not something analyzed and investigated by the Mueller probe.

Bear in mind that 23 of 25 state exit polls for the 2016 Presidential election skewed in favor of Trump over the margin of error - which theoretically has the same odds as flipping a coin and getting heads 23 out of 25 times - pretty astronomical indeed.

Find exactly how it could have been done (and could easily be done again) here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/21/magazine/the-myth-of-the-hacker-proof-voting-machine.html

malaise

(267,834 posts)
44. Many of us knew that on election night/the morning after
Mon May 27, 2019, 11:11 AM
May 2019

in 2016.

I'm going to my grave knowing that there was a coup.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
45. To an extent we have to be better prepared for this new normal.
Mon May 27, 2019, 11:16 AM
May 2019

For years DU talked about bot and troll farms and misinformation as a problem for our elections.

I mostly expected these influences from Koch/Mercer types and not the Russians.

But Russians showed bad actors how to do this and we have to be prepared to deal with it.

I don't have any answers, but our problem is much larger than just the Russians.

duforsure

(11,882 posts)
46. trump's a illegitimate president
Mon May 27, 2019, 11:31 AM
May 2019

Just like he's a illegitimate business man. He's a career criminal because he wasn't smart enough to be successful unless he was corrupt. He was compromised because he's probably into debt to putin and russians probably into the billions, and has no way out of it with putin having that and personal activities he has using to blackmail him with. Just now a matter of time before its all exposed on trump, and many others involved.

karin_sj

(805 posts)
47. This is really depressing
Mon May 27, 2019, 11:59 AM
May 2019

The article is from September of last year and here we are, wondering whether or not the orange idiot will be re-elected in 2020. I really thought he'd be on his way out after the release of the Mueller report.

CrispyQ

(36,231 posts)
52. 40% of our fellow citizens are A-OK with this as long as it's their side with a boot on our neck.
Mon May 27, 2019, 01:54 PM
May 2019

They only want a just & fair system when the dems are in control. When the repubs are at the helm, it's an all out power grab, fuck the rules & who cares who you have to screw to get it. I have family/friends who are just fine with that, but would whine louder than all the noise in the universe if our side pulled that shit. Their blatant hypocrisy has worn me down to the point I don't communicate or associate with them anymore.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
60. 40% have been told not to believe it in a cult like fassion, without the fairness doctrine a ...
Mon May 27, 2019, 08:54 PM
May 2019

... political party can attach themselves to major outlets like FAUX.

We need something to detach them

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
53. Unless someone can tie trump to paying the Ruskies, it just doesn't matter at this point.
Mon May 27, 2019, 02:04 PM
May 2019

Everyone knows Russian lies helped trump, but a lot of folks just don't care.

Everyone knows Comey's announcement a week or so before the election helped trump. Everyone knows supposed Democrats that decided to vote directly or indirectly for trump because they were ticked about their candidate losing in the primaries, helped trump.

None of that matters at this point unless someone has a video of trump -- or one of his family or very close advisors -- paying Putin or other Russians for help. Even if votes were changed -- which I doubt -- we still need proof trump was directly involved for enough GOPers to take notice.

We need to be ready to counter whatever happens in 2020.

Kerry lost in 2004, because we couldn't counter the GOPer Swiftboaters and Bin Laden's video threat the Friday before the election.

We should have been prepared to counter Comey's announcement. We should have been ready to counter voter protests over a losing primary candidate. We should have countered Russian lies.

Obviously, we need to beef up voter security for 2020, but blaming all this on Russians -- without direct evidence trump was involved -- isn't going to get us anywhere. Even going after trump for obstruction of Muellers' investigation is going to be tough after Mueller's wishy/washy report. Hope's that trump gets indicted after he leaves office, doesn't really help us either in 2020.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
59. Interesting article, but it's from 2018. A little over one year ago.
Mon May 27, 2019, 08:00 PM
May 2019

It would be a lot more impressive if Newsweek published something like this now - post-Mueller report.

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