Self-inflicted wounds add up- this one could be fatal

[TygrBright]

Here's what he ([Redacted], that is) said, at his Wisconsin pep rally last week:

“The baby is born. The mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully. And then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby.”

This actually happened, Saturday night, April 27th.

I'm pretty sure that [Redacted]'s intention was just to toss a well-done chuck steak to the base in the form of the 'abortion doctors as murderers' meme that the forced-birth advocates are pushing.

There were plenty of ways he could have phrased it that would accomplish that purpose, but [Redacted]'s only talent is his rhetorical skill with flammable embroidery. That is, coming up with the words, the best words, the most incendiary words, the most emotionally-laden words, to push powerful buttons in his specific audience. Even when the actual words themselves are nothing but salad with zero factual or logical content.

He does it on the fly, instinctively, without planning or preparation, without consultation or testing. Without considering second- or third-order consequences. It is the dark gift of the demagogue, the con artist, the accomplished grifter.

So that was an "applause line" when he tossed it out to that audience of cult-addled worshippers.

Then it started getting reported, per usual, on the post-sploogefest list of "outrageous antifactual utterances from The Guy With The Nuclear Launch Codes". A long list, every time. The cumulative list would beat George RR Martin's page count. Or Gibbon's.

And therein lies the trap: Any one thing on those lists can (and often does) serve as outrage fuel for the already-outraged. But there's just so much, it dilutes the impact of any one thing. And the context of the list- "It was just pep-rally hyperbole"- provides a layer of insulation. Thus, he generally gets away with it.

This time, though, I'm not so sure.

Scroll up and read those words again.

The calculated inhuman murderous sadism he attributes to... mothers? Physicians? -is almost nauseating to contemplate. Sure, his pep-rally audience is on board with it.

And sure, the already-outraged are, predictably, outraged. By that among many other sources of horrific outrage.

But what about the people who haven't drunk his sploogefest koolaid and who haven't already spent countless hours on social media trying to gin up awareness of just how morally bankrupt he and his co-conspirators are?

The ordinary folks whose response to him, up to this point, have ranged from a mildly inattentive "He says some outrageous things but he also said some things I agree with, so BFD." to an avoidant and distasteful wish that he'd just STFU and quit tweeting, FFS. Those people.

They're reading those words. The words that explicitly state The Guy With The Nuclear Launch Codes thinks mothers and doctors calculate a kind of coldly sadistic infanticidal postpartum ritual on a regular basis.

And they're starting to respond.

And it's not good.

Anyone who's ever been touched by infant death (check the infant mortality statistics for the past fifteen years, and then think about the number of people touched by each of those deaths- parents, siblings, medical teams, counselors, and more) or who's experienced neonatal crisis and the kind of all-out mortal combat the nurses and doctors mobilize to save a child's life is seeing those words.

He thinks that about mothers (like the one(s) I know) and doctors (like the one(s) I know)?

WTF?!?

What kind of SICK FUCK can even CONTEMPLATE that bullshit, much less say it, in public, from the bulliest pulpit our government provides?

And they're starting to realize that yes, The Guy With The Nuclear Launch Codes is THAT kind of sick fuck.

And they're not happy with the knowledge.

They're unlikely to actually do much with it, in terms of, say, demanding impeachment right this instant, or using some media/social media outlet to express their horror, or whatever. The vast majority of them will never be polled about it.

But they vote.

And I suspect the queasy, uncomfortable memory of just what kind of sick fuck is on the ballot WILL have an influence.

thoughtfully,
Bright

[MyOwnPeace]

1. Tygr,

I SO hope you are right.
My concern is that there have been SO MANY outrageous things done by this fool that seems to fly right over the heads of so many - I've gone past the point of wondering just what it will take to finally hit the "A-HA!" moment for them.
To be honest, I've come to wonder if anything will.....................

WE MUST GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!!!!!!

[TygrBright]

5. Absolutely. GOTV is the only way to save America. But these are the votes we'll be GO'ing. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. There will be NO "A-HA!" moment for his Deplorables, and apparently he's not worth impeachment.

[smirkymonkey]

2. K&R

[FirstLight]

3. well said! But I wish there were more blowback and consequences...

Where's the head of the AMA response? March of Dimes? Other Parents-of-loss orgs?

Where's the direct rebuke from our other (sane) Lawmakers?

This is just the type of sick thought process that leads to babies being torn away from parents...oh, right, that already happened.

I swear, if he's allowed to continue there will be some kind of genocide - he's that sick.

His minions are already storming mosques, churches, synagogues and killing FOR HIM.

I know I am not allowed to incite violence here myself, but I wish... (you know)

[TygrBright]

7. I suspect there will be some response...

...from the leadership of organized groups concerned. But in such cases, it takes time. They need to draft something and then everyone important has to pee in it until they like the flavor, etc.

This is not a quick explosion. It's a slowly-rolling boil, and it may well boil over just in time for November of 2020.

Again, it's not "the" factor. But I think it's definitely becoming a factor, and a big one.

prognosticatorially,
Bright

[panader0]

21. "prognosticatorially" okay--it's now a word.

[trueblue2007]

19. I KNOW .... "what you know" and can't say. i feel the same. like BEFORE the election happened !!!

where is our time machine when we need it?

[IADEMO2004]

4. Trying to one-up McCarthyism. GOP still silent and shameless.

[CaptYossarian]

55. Interesting that you bring up McCarthy.

Green Bay is about 30 miles from that deplorable senator's home turf. The HQ of the John Birch Society is still in Appleton. The whole area is "dead-red". Trump and his handlers did their homework in finding a friendly place for his mega-rant/rally.

The only place in Wisconsin that has a higher percentage of ignorant people is the entire region north of State Highway 64: Toothless, Inbred, Crystal Meth Heaven, where there's even a KKK base (Mercer). Up there, it's more than mosquitoes that suck.

[LonePirate]

6. Those comments were meant for his base as they believe that nonsense.

The rest of society (those with a brain and common sense) know differently. As such, as repulsive as the comments were, it will not budge the needle one way or another.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

43. It's the ONLY thing he's got.

He has screwed his base over and over again. Farmers. Coal miners (and the ACA). Firefighters and first responders. He has waffled on so much that he promised to so many. Where is his freaking wall ? And on and on.

But, on abortion, he remains constant. (Even tho he was pro-choice before he ran for government), now he wants women, doctors and PP all punished and put in jail or even given the death penalty. His base eats this shit up. If he EVER declared that he was switching to pro-choice, they'd abandon him like rats on a sinking ship. Look at his crowds. Watch him. Watch them. When the crowd gets restless or starts to thin, he works them up into foaming at the mouth about abortion. It's the ONLY think he's got left to offer them.

[lunatica]

8. Don't forget the law of averages which means

that among his followers are entire families and medical people who have lost babies at the time of birth or before through miscarriages. If nothing else this coupled with his sadistic treatment of children on the border will not sit well. These words and actions on his part go beyond politics.

There’s a reason his approval rating has gone down.

[anarch]

9. I'd like to believe that's true, but I don't know

I feel like he could start openly and unequivocally exhorting his followers to start murdering their liberal family members, neighbors, and coworkers, or start openly using the "n-word" and advocating for a return to slavery, and he'd still basically get a pass. Nothing seems to matter at all anymore; the whole Republican party is just hopeless.

[displacedtexan]

10. I plan on asking every MAGA loving woman these questions:

What were the reasons that made you and your doctor decide not to execute your baby right after it was born?

Was your Baby Execution consultation covered by your insurance?

Was there a time limit on making the decision to execute your baby or not?

[Paladin]

16. THAT'S the way to about this.

Confront members of trump's base---particularly the women with children---and put those uncomfortable questions to them.

[Lifelong Protester]

40. I like your tactics

Mind if I borrow it?

[displacedtexan]

41. Not at all. Here's what I started doing when my daughter was little:

Every time we'd see people protesting in front of a clinic, I'd thank them for being there so my daughter would always know where the clinic was located & she could get medical advice and care from sane people. Every single time, they looked confused as hell.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. It's horrible, but nothing seems to put a dent in his carapace.

So I don't expect this to bring him down, either. If he drops his pants at a rally and starts flinging his shit at the audience, he might stir up a little discomfort among his brainwashed cult members, but I don't see anything less outrageous than that having a significant impact on his support.

[BlueJac]

12. Nothing will stop Trump from saying these kind of things...

it is red meat for his cult to feed on!

[Recursion]

13. This will not be the end of Trump, but it will get some innocent OB-GYN clinic blown up

These aren't people who care about truth; they care about feeling righteously angry.

[B Stieg]

14. Three words: Dr. George Tiller.

Wonder if Prezident Fuckface (sorry, but I really don't like him) remembers that murderous episode?

[bobbieinok]

15. This is about NY law that says newborns who can't survive can be allowed to die

They are born or near term but can't survive. Attempts to keep them alive cause them horrific pain.

Law passed in NY, discussed in VA.

Religious Right is using its spin on this to get out the Evangelical vote in 2020.

See guests on recent YouTube videos of JimBakker shows.

They bring out newborns lovingy held and say 'see, this is what those evil people (Democrats, Satanic baby-killers) want to kill.

They are going to push this hard to remind Religious Right 'what's at stake'. Constant drum beat!!

Please note--Trump didn't pull this out of thin air!! It's a super ramped up part of Religious Right GOTV campaign!

[Hekate]

35. It's always about the perfect Gerber Baby, even when it's a zygote. I hate these people.

I really do.

[Ms. Toad]

17. It's the 5th time since early February he's told this particular lie.

From February 11:

Democrats are also pushing extreme late-term abortion. Allowing children to be ripped from their mother's womb right up until the moment of birth. What's that all about?...But the governor stated that he would even allow a newborn baby to come out into the world and wrap the baby and make the baby comfortable. And then talk to the mother and talk to the father and then execute the baby. Execute the baby. Incredible. Millions of innocent, beautiful babies are counting on us to protect them and we will. That is why last week I go I called on Congress, with your great congressman over there -- thank you, fellas -- to immediately pass legislation prohibiting extreme late-term abortion.”

What makes you think this wound, the 5th time he's said it, is anything but superficial?

[Hekate]

36. Trump is a sadistic sonofabitch who turns stuff like this into a species of pornography & strokes it

Remember when he was going on about human trafficking at the border? All those poor women tied up, tightly bound by their captors, duct tape over their mouths, stuffed in trunks by evil coyotes? He looooved repeating that story, with embellishments. Now that we have homegrown white militias on the border, he's gone on to the next thing.

Trump deliberately instigates violence. In the case of people who are fanatically anti-choice, he has an already-violent core who willingly support the murder of doctors who abort zygotes, and have been calling pro-choice people like me "baby killers" for 30+ years.

All that matters to Trump is whipping his cultists into a murderous frenzy.

[Ms. Toad]

39. Yeah. I just have no confidence that anything he says

will be outrageous enough to discourage anyone who does not already recognize him for who he is.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

18. Remember the cries of "Not Normal"...

Well he’s been normalized...so many outrageous phrases...so many times...everyone now expects him to lie and the lies must get bigger and infinitely more outrageous...we know he’s social mess...it goes on every day...

Nothing is going to happen to him over this, the wailing going on will never reach his ears.

He. Doesn’t. Fucking. Care. It’s publicity...our collective outrage over this will keep it in the news cycle a few days then wither away.

The media and republicans have made it all normal, everyday.

[magicarpet]

53. trDump was a low life con-man scum bag,...

... now he has been normalized due to his longevity on the world stage.

Now that to some this piece of crap has been normalized and finally become pResidential - day by day it will be harder and harder to get rid of this human garbage and out of the White House so it can be disinfected and fumigated of his toxic presents and that of his sycophant minions and astoundingly avaricious family members.

[BadgerMom]

20. Symbols of American patriotism--

Mom and apple pie. He’s gone after the wrong one.

[Oppaloopa]

22. Thank you I hope the media picks up on this one I heard it last night.

Great to prove what a liar he is.

[maxsolomon]

23. You'd think. But he's using Anti-Abortion distortions that are widely believed already.

Sure, he's probably technically wrong, but they don't give a fuck.

There are millions of single-issue voters (like 2 of my cousins and an Aunt) who buy this bullshit.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

24. It called outrage fatigue....

We all have it. Somebody must of read the highlights of the book the Shock Doctrine to Trump once and it was the only thing from the only book he ever had partially read to him. That book is clearly too long to have been read to him in it's entirety.

[Stuart G]

25. Yes, they are starting to respond...it is the drizzel before the storm.

Your words, "

They're reading those words. The words that explicitly state The Guy With The Nuclear Launch Codes thinks mothers and doctors calculate a kind of coldly sadistic infanticidal postpartum ritual on a regular basis.

And they're starting to respond.

[unblock]

26. sadly i have to disagree. he's the authoritarian, harsh social hierarchy candidate.

white over black, straight over gay, male over female, etc.

virtually all his hardcore 35% care about is his constant reinforcement of the social hierarchy that lets them feel superior to other people he gives them license to deem as lesser beings.

they do not gives a rat's behind about facts or lies or exaggerations or any of that. all they care about is that he's constantly telling them they're better than other people.


this latest statement is entirely consistent with authoritarianism and a social hierarchy that treats women as lesser beings.

therefore, it's really not substantively different than most of the other crap he's said, at least not insofar as will change votes.

he won't lose many supporters over this. the people who are outraged are the people who had already rejected him.

arguably, the fact that we're getting outraged is exactly what his fans are looking for. they feed off of "liberal tears".

[LastDemocratInSC]

34. You are correct

It's all about entitled social hierarchy, a caste system, really.

[oldsoftie]

27. His base never questions anything he says. i see it every damn day.

[Kablooie]

28. I wish, but I don't expect it to move the needle one bit.

Nothing, absolutely nothing he could possibly say will change anyone's opinion. His Toadies don't think or care what he says, Republicans think his extremist policies are so great they would ignore anything to keep him in power and everyone else is already against him.

[chowder66]

29. He's said it before.

Says Gov. Ralph Northam "stated that he would even allow a newborn baby to come out into the world... then talk to the mother and talk to the father and then execute the baby."
— Donald Trump on Monday, February 11th, 2019 in a rally.

https://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2019/feb/20/donald-trump/trump-wrongly-claims-northam-said-he-would-execute/

[Laura PourMeADrink]

30. Duh. I don't get it. Killing babies AFTER born? PS thought you meant redacted from speech

[TygrBright]

31. He is an attention junkie. I NEVER mention his name if it can be avoided.

I have been referring to him as [Redacted] since November of 2016.

I will post quotes that use his name occasionally.

I will use other references now and then.

But [Redacted] has been my go-to reference all along.

It's only recently that it has taken on such piquance.

amusedly,
Bright

[Laura PourMeADrink]

32. No but if he is saying we want to kill babies

After they are born that reaches new heights of idiocy. News should be all over that one!!!

I hate writing his name.. usually use Dipshit. Just saying dumb people like me read it like u are omitting something. It is clever tho!! Carry on

[Hekate]

37. The problem is, Trump is not an original thinker. This meme has been around a long time ...

...in the "pro-life" community. It's why my evangelical neighbor thought I approved of a "Holocaust of Babies" 35 years ago -- my Planned Parenthood bumpersticker that said "Pro Child. Pro Family. Pro Choice" was clearly code for "I support ripping viable babies from their mommies' wombs," you know?

It's not new and is unlikely to be treated as news. It's just vile.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

42. You make me think Hekate

Our biggest challenge is getting the truth out to the low-infos. They have captured that audience. Coupled with good people who are just bombarded with info and are not particularly political.

We have no ads, except Steyer. Maybe he can re-direct somehow. Evidently DNC has no ad budget.

[Captain Stern]

33. Unfortunately, I don't think you're right.

I hope you are, but I don't think so.

trump has lowered the bar so far that stuff like this barely registers.

His fans will believe what he said. The people that know better, won't.

Check out cnn.com. Less than 48 hours after his 'self-inflicted wound that might be fatal', it's not even on their site any more.

Most people never heard it, and a lot of the ones that did just don't care. It's already almost forgotten.

[llmart]

38. It could also mean that people have just tuned him out for good.

I know so many people who say they won't even turn on the news any longer because of them.

[thesquanderer]

45. re: "This actually happened, Saturday night, April 27th."

You spooked me, I thought you were saying that the scenario he was describing had actually happened!

[lark]

46. IN a just world, you would be totally right.

Unfortunately, this isn't that world. If they are ok with him caging nd torturing brown babies, what he said won't even ripple the surface. They love hurting "others" - it's a big part of racism, so they won't give one shit about this. Only people who would care are those who aren't 100% onboard with him anyway, and yes, it could help with those if msm pushed it, but they won't. They want a horse race so will not focus on the true horrors of this admin. but gloss them over constantly.

[struggle4progress]

47. "Forget about Russia! Your mom might have us all executed!"

[TommyCelt]

48. I just don't know...

Any one thing on those lists can (and often does) serve as outrage fuel for the already-outraged. But there's just so much, it dilutes the impact of any one thing.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. The majority of us are punch-drunk.

This is just the latest in the endless sea of his quotes that I've said to myself, "OK. SURELY this is enough. The American public is not going to stand for this level of irresponsibility and depravity from their chief elected official. This HAS to be enough."

And we've been shown time and time and time again, that not only will a sizeable voting bloc of the American public STAND for it, they will swallow it whole and scream for more. There are days where I simply am close to running out of hope for this country.

If this person wins re-election, I am seriously considering leaving this American Gilead.

[Texin]

49. Shitler has already committed self-inflicted wounds that would've eliminated anyone else.

His people don't care. He's saying what they believe and feel. They're in agreement with him.

I was listening to an NPR interview last week that included many local journalists that cover politics in particular regions, and who meet many different constituents of the various campaigns, etc. He said it's difficult to gauge what the likely outcome of the 2020 presidential will be, but one thing he made very clear: tRump's core "base" haven't moved one step. He said he asked a friend/acquaintance of his who is, according to the journalist, a "big Trump guy" why he'd vote for him again? The guy replied, "What did he do wrong?"


If that one reply doesn't chill every person on this platform, I don't know what would. If that particular tRump voter has not been horrified by his rhetoric and his erratic, dysfunctional, chaotic behaviors and policies by now, he never will be. Likely this guy has never watched anything in his pathetic life except Fux Spews and sports programs. He's totally and completely oblivious and will never get a clue. His mind has been turned to mush too long ago to be salvaged. And there are many more exactly like him - enough to get this orange dumpster fire reinstalled.

[ginnyinWI]

50. Since there is so, so much BS coming from him,

it would be wise for Dem candidates and interested media to focus in on one such statement like this and hammer away at it. Then call on him to clarify--ask him about it all the time. Until he is forced to back down.

He only does it to further his cult. To gaslight them into a reality that all of his followers must accept. That, to him, is power and winning.

[Blue_Tires]

51. kick

[bigbadR]

52. Sick Fuck

Absolutely Trump is a sick fuck and his rally crowds are brownshirts in training. This entire hate movement must be crushed in it's infancy asap.

[niyad]

54. k and r. I have words--most of them would net me a visit from the suits.

[CaptYossarian]

56. How true was the rumor in 2016 that he had to be talked out of aborting Tiffany?

Especially since the rumor of him sodomizing the 15-year old girl (furnished to him by Epstein) seems more plausible every day? Those two rumors, if proven, might be worth reducing a couple of Approval Points.