Trump's statement about mother and doctor meeting to kill a baby could be the end of Trump

[Stuart G]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/us/politics/trump-abortion-fact-check.html

This is the statement as quoted from the NYTimes

“The baby is born, the mother meets with the doctor, they take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby,” he said. “I don’t think so.”

“It’s incredible,” Trump said
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What will Trump do? Four choices

A. Apologize for the awful statement
B. Leave it alone, ignore any fall out about the statement
C. Decide to fight over the meaning of the statement..(defend himself on what he said)
D. Say that the media got it all wrong, and, say that he did not say this. That he said something else.
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While Trump has said some truly stupid things, and insensitive things, and lots and lots of lies, this one could be the end of him. It attacks mothers and doctors everywhere. Yes,...everywhere Now, everywhere means just that...everywhere. Here in the U.S.A. and everywhere else....South America, Australia, Norway, Russia...etc........everywhere.

[Me.]

1. I'm Wondering Where The Outrage Over This Has Been This Morning

[Stuart G]

10. I think it will take some time to get around. repeat, repeat, and more repeat..

This one is unbelievable. It is stupid and it attacks mothers everywhere. This one could do it. It is the dumbest, and most insensitive thing the idiot has said. Some supporters in the media, may ignore this. As the statement at the top says. It will take time to get around. When it does, if it does, and everyone can view this statement as what he said, then he could have really said something totally offensive to hundreds of millions of people...Maybe the media will bury this. But I doubt it. Saying something this stupid, could be the biggest story in Trump's presidency.

[Hekate]

71. It's only a short step from the lie about "partial birth abortion" to this lie...

The fanatics have been calling pro-choice advocates "baby killers" for 30+ years, and I am talking about abortion of a zygote. They are so unhinged they call nearly every form of contraceptive an abortifacient.

They are violent people who stalk the children of clinic workers and gun down doctors. And you know how Trump loves violent people.

As for the media, they have never known how to deal with the issue because anti-choice fanatics made it a religious issue and painted the rest of us as dirty people who believe in sex without consequences. There is an American white Christian terrorist network that kills doctors and destroys clinics, but since they aren't Muslim we can't call them terrorists, can we?

[Pluvious]

57. This is what gaslighted looks like

We've collectively become comfortably numb.

Is there anybody in there ?

[sarisataka]

2. Trump is Done!!!!

#9003

[Tipperary]

75. I think the number is higher than that lol.

I will believe he is done when he leaves that office.

[MineralMan]

3. He needs to be called out for that statement, again and again.

It's a radical anti-abortion claim that is simply not true. Only the most rabid abortion opponents say that, because it's so easily disproven. They can't find a single case where that happened.

So make Trump own his lie.

[robbob]

44. I believe it's worse then that.

Although he and his followers will try to frame this as an anti-abortion rant, the situation he is describing has nothing to do with abortion. As other threads here have described (often in heart rending detail, from the point of view of attending nurses and parents who have lost a child this way), this statement is describing the tragic circumstances where an infant is born with a birth defect that will not allow it to survive. tRump is attacking grieving parents over a family tragedy in his typical thoughtless and heartless fashion. THAT is what’s going to come back to bite him. Or one can hope.

[FirstLight]

62. exactly...

That's the fucked up part, as that he's equated the two.

I have had that loss in my own family, first grandchild was actually stillborn at term. It was devastating to the entire family...and still hurts years later.

This POS has NO idea about grief, or compassion.

[NewJeffCT]

4. I haven't seen a lot of coverage of this in the media?

have they normalized the vile filth that he spews?

[Rebl2]

46. I haven't

seen any coverage on this sickening statement he made on this topic. I think the media just can’t keep up with all his crazy statements and lies he tells.

[Ohiogal]

5. I say

he’ll do either B or D

or he could possibly say he was just joking. (Hey, I wouldn’t put it past him)

However, I don’t think many conservatives are too upset over this. They’ll just shrug and say, “He says a lot of things.”

[CrispyQ]

6. The media will let it slide, just like they let this doozy slide:

“Too many OB/GYN’s aren’t able to practice their love with women all across the country.” George W Bush

I couldn't believe that wasn't a top story the day he said that, but most outlets didn't even report on it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. That was just another one of W's incoherent, tongue-tied statements.

It was typically dumb; he probably meant to say something along the line of "aren't able to practice their love of women's medicine" but because he was only half-bright he garbled his message and made it sound like OB-GYNs are a bunch of pervs. It was not, however, an intentional and vicious lie like Trump's remark. I also remember that it did get a lot of media attention.

[JHB]

7. "_______ could be the end of Trump", part 10,000

He'll do what he always does, one part of the Republicans will roar their approval, the rest will mumble some disagreement and then promptly knuckle under, and the nightmare will continue.

[Totally Tunsie]

39. Yup.

Sad, but true.

[dewsgirl]

41. [phone]

[muriel_volestrangler]

53. seems a persistent refrain

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9308662
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10731701
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2187324
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212007288

but there has been one other DUer who once also suggested it: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211161449

[Martin Eden]

65. SHOULD be the end of Trump, but never is.

Wondering if shooting someone on 5th Avenue will be put to the test.

[hibbing]

84. There will be no repercussions n/t

[JuJuYoshida]

8. he knows he can say anything and get away with it

vote in 2020, that's where we hit him

[Drunken Irishman]

9. Could be - but won't be.

[Stuart G]

14. It could be??? I believe it is one of those statements that takes time to bloom like a flower.

Maybe it won't, but that is really up to opposition leadership.
Like Pelosi, Schumer, even Obama. And those running for the office of President of the United States. On both sides.
.... The statement is so offensive and awful that it stands much too loud to be left alone....With proof of Trump saying this, he needs to respond in some way. If and that response is could do it. (Yes, I said could)

[area51]

18. +1 n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. Nothing he says or does is ever "the end" of him.

Wishful thinking. But, no. The end of Trump will be either the 2020 election or KFC.

[FakeNoose]

12. He's demented, even the Repukes can't deny it any more

[Stuart G]

24. Yes, ...." even the Repukes can't deny it any more.." That's it.

Will this get around? Will people be talking about it? This is the truth, isn't it?...It is a line that someone doesn't step over.
Here is a comparison that I just made up...(yes, I made this up..NO ONE HAS SAID THIS..I MADE THE US.....)

If a world leader said these 2 sentences....( AND NO ONE HAS SAID THIS)

"Hitler was a wonderful and great man. He was totally correct in killing the Jews and invading Russia and killing millions of Russians"

Yes if someone said the above, it would offend the world. I think the statement that Trump has been accused of saying...offends the world.

[calimary]

70. Oh YEAH!!! Absolutely stellar graphic!

[Runningdawg]

13. Not only that as a nurse who worked L & D

this slime ball has now denigrated the whole profession. Millions of Drs and nurses won't take this lightly and they sure as hell won't be voting for him. To respond to the OP - choice B. He will let it fester.

[murielm99]

16. Every day there is some statement

that should be the end of him. It never is.

[Pacifist Patriot]

33. Yep

[Pinkflamingo]

55. How about this one to the rabbi in CA: "Warmest sympathies"

Spoken like a true narcissist!

He is incapable of feeling empathy and conflates the terms deepest sympathies and warmest regards.

[asiliveandbreathe]

17. pos said he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and no one would do anything about it..

everyday, he shoots someone on fifth avenue...(metaphorically speaking, of course)..but then...

[chowder66]

19. He's said it before so I doubt anything different will happen

Says Gov. Ralph Northam "stated that he would even allow a newborn baby to come out into the world... then talk to the mother and talk to the father and then execute the baby."
— Donald Trump on Monday, February 11th, 2019 in a rally.

https://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2019/feb/20/donald-trump/trump-wrongly-claims-northam-said-he-would-execute/

[titaniumsalute]

20. My mother in law is a right wing nutter Trump fan

She is the stereotypical right winged lower educated rural living evangelical Christian who's church talked them into voting for Trump. While I really never engage in any political discussions I mentioned this yesterday. To my surprise she said "that is the dumbest thing he has ever said. What is wrong with him?"

With that said she will never vote for a Democrat. However, in 2016 it was her first time voting. If soured I could easily see her simply not voting for anyone which at this point would be a win for us anyway.

[gratuitous]

25. Keep working on your mother-in-law

You don't have to be aggressive or even assertive, but remind her of what she herself said was "the dumbest thing" Trump ever said by comparing it to whatever crapulousness falls out of his mouth next: "Boy, you thought that 'executing babies' thing was the dumbest thing he ever said, but this gives that a run for the money, don't you think?"

[get the red out]

21. Hard to see this hurting him

His supporters already feel this way, both the hard-core supporters and the religious right folks who held their nose over his infidelity and pulled the lever because they hate women having bodily autonomy.

[spanone]

22. CNN: Trump offers incendiary falsehood on abortion at Wisconsin rally

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump made an incendiary remark at a rally Saturday night, veering from criticism of Wisconsin's Democratic governor to a false claim that mothers and doctors have the option to "execute" babies.

Speaking at a rally he hosted in Green Bay, Wisconsin, on Saturday, Trump pointed to former Wisconsin Republican Gov. Scott Walker, who was in attendance, and said Walker's successor, Democratic Gov. Tony Evers "shockingly stated that he will veto legislation that protects Wisconsin babies born alive."

According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Evers planned to veto a GOP-backed state bill that could have meant life sentences in prison for doctors who intentionally did not provide medical care to babies born alive after a failed abortion.

Trump continued on the theme after his initial comment to claim that mothers and doctors are given the choice to "execute" a baby.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/28/politics/trump-rally-wisconsin-abortion/index.html

[Stuart G]

29. Thank You for posting this.

Here is a quote from the above story...Milwaukee Sentinal:

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Trump continued on the theme after his initial comment to claim that mothers and doctors are given the choice to "execute" a baby.

"The baby is born," Trump said. "The mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby. I don't think so."

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[gratuitous]

23. He'll ignore any criticism if he can

And since lowly citizens and voters can't contact the Emperor Trump directly, it will be up to a supine media to make a stink about it. So, no, calling women and doctors murderers won't hurt him a bit. Because the media will excuse their incuriosity about Trump's remarks with the encomium "everybody knows" what he really meant.

[BlueTsunami2018]

26. Nothing he says or does is "the end of him".

He’ll double down, the cult will defend him, nothing will happen. The only end to him is to vote him out. I’m not so sure we’re even capable of that with the people in this country. He never should have been there in the first place, yet there he is.

[Mike Nelson]

27. Sorry, but...

… I think his supporters will love his description.

[Initech]

28. They won't be.

But we can and should continue to point out how stupid and dangerous this rhetoric is every chance we get.

[matt819]

30. Stop saying that a particular incident will be the end of trump

It won’t be. The washington post reported today that trump has passed the 10,000 lies mark. That’s not the end of him. Nothing gets through to his cult followers or his sycophants in Congress.

[maryellen99]

31. I'm worried about one of his supporters shooting up a labor/delivery unit or a NICU nt

[irisblue]

40. In hospitals, the areas where L&D & NICU are, security is pretty tight.

Source retired health care worker who had to get a one visit pass anytime I had to be there because I was assigned to a different dept.

[BamaRefugee]

32. If the video of him saying it gets played over and over on TV, it will simply be accepted as proven

fact within 3 days with his base, 5 days with another 30% of gullible idiots.

[Autumn]

34. It normally would be but I expect the media will do the usual. Ignore it till it

fizzles away, then it really didn't happen.

[Paladin]

35. He'll get away with it, just like he has with everything else.

His brainwashed base will see to it.

[irisblue]

36. He & his handlers are using Atrocity Propaganda

Age old technique that would work with his "poorly educated" base. (his words).

[Javaman]

37. B. then bring up the emails. nt

[yaesu]

38. his religious fanatical base loved it. nt

[USALiberal]

42. We have predicted his "end" for 2 years, still here! Nt

[Karadeniz]

43. Keep talking, trump! You're your best spokesman! Just let your smarts spill out.

[sop]

45. "At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"

Joseph Welch, U.S. Army counsel, famously confronted Senator Joseph McCarthy during his anti-Communist congressional witch hunt: "You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?

Who in the Republican party leadership will be this generation's Joseph Welch?

[Magoo48]

47. Thinking back upon what we've seen and heard,

I would respectfully remind you that nothing appears to dampen the enthusiasm of his cultist mob.

[RhodeIslandOne]

48. Another one of these threads

Every week THIS will be the end of Trump.

It’s been years of this now.

When are you all going to realize, we are fucked.

This country is finished. We are witnessing the end of an empire. An idiot is in charge, and he’s not going anywhere.

[world wide wally]

49. Trump just waits a few years and separates them at the border.

Much more humane

[shanti]

50. He will never apologize, that's for sure

Have you ever heard him apologize for anything?

[jimmyzvoice]

51. Trump needs to be removed from office...

...either by impeachment or the 2020 election. Comments like the one you quote are not grounds for impeachment but they may add up to more votes against him in 2020. He will never resign.

[book_worm]

52. No, it's just another untruthful statement he's made that he won't be held accountable for

He says so many untruthful things every single day and the media doesn't do anything.

[IronLionZion]

54. Teflon Don skates through again

he's been done for 3 years now.

[Oneironaut]

56. He doesn't care and doesn't have to. It's the Trump double-standard.

Absolutely nothing he says could ever hurt him. He’s not held to the same standard as everyone else. The reason he’s fine here is, the people who hate him will be mad, his moderate supporters won’t care, and the extremists will eat it up and be energized.

Most people know he’s an asshole. They don’t care.

[DemoTex]

58. E. Doubles down on statement

Put 'yer money on choice E, and win.

[Mr.Bill]

59. He'll just say

"That's what everyone is saying".

[smirkymonkey]

60. There will be no end of him until he's six feet under.

And even then I am not so sure. He will find some way to haunt us from beyond the grave. That fact that he has reproduced is enough of a nightmare.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

79. Haunted Courts...his reach from beyond...nt

[kacekwl]

61. Could be the end of trump,

where have I heard that before ?

[Codeine]

63. Every week it's a new signal of the end of Trump.

And yet he’s still here. Methinks someone should re-examine their notion of effective signal interpretation.

[cbdo2007]

64. Nope...this is only #57 on the list of worst things Trump has said or done.

Pretty sure it's not going to hurt him at all. The guy really is invincible.

[Ponietz]

66. Left out Choice E.

Double down
This is a bloodbath in the making.

[catbyte]

67. It will be forgotten or people won't care in the first place, chalking it up to "well, that's just

trump being trump..."

It's infuriating and despicable. He's absolutely untouchable to fully 1/3 of this country, perhaps more.

[Hekate]

68. For all those who have not been paying attention to anti-choice fanatics and terrorists for 30 years

...he is not talking to you. He is talking to violent people, and he will double down and tell this story again and again until he needs another vile lie to whip up his cultists.

Remember the "human trafficking" story he told to justify the border wall and his abuse of migrants? How lovingly he detailed the picture of helpless women being tied up, the duct tape over their mouths? He stroked this image, and told the story over and over.

He gets pornographic in his descriptions of violence being done to the helpless. Do you think he cares about captive women or slaughtered children even a tiny bit? No, but he sure cares about whipping his audience into a frenzy and aiming them like a cannon at the rest of us.

He will double down. Facts be damned.

[smirkymonkey]

80. +1000

He knows exactly what he's doing.

[G_j]

69. Unfortunately, nope

[BlueJac]

72. Zero will happen to Trump...

he will lie and make more outlandish statements to back himself up! The media has given Trump a pass on almost every stupid thing he says.

[Tipperary]

73. I wish I had a buck for every "this is the end of rump" op.

I doubt it.

[Ms. Toad]

74. It won't be the end of Trump

According the Washington Post (which is tracking his lies), it is the 5th time he has told that particular lie. The first time in early February.

[trueblue2007]

76. TRUMP REALLY HAS A DEEP HATRED OF WOMEN TO LIE. He will do "" D ""

D. Say that the media got it all wrong, and, say that he did not say this. That he said something else.


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[0rganism]

77. ... or the end of women's reproductive rights in several states

we've been underestimating this asshole since 2015.

you can keep underestimating him if you like, but i'm done. he's a ginormous jerk, a proudly willful ignoramus, and he's set world records for lie production. all quite true and all quite irrelevant, as he also has the backing of 90%+ of the GOP, and he already rakes in tens of millions of dollars for his re-election campaign.

if you really think this is the end for Trump, i'm just going to have to disagree.

[Paladin]

78. If you still have trump-supporting acquaintances, confront them on what he said.

Particularly those with children. Ask them to describe the process where they were offered the opportunity to terminate their newborns---as trump described. Ask them how they can give their support to a subhuman who would flagrantly lie about such a sensitive subject.

[gademocrat7]

81. A horrific lie.

He is a soulless pathological liar.

[CanonRay]

82. How many times have I read "could be the end of Trump"

and jack shit happens.

[USALiberal]

86. 100s of times! Nt

[patphil]

83. Worst statement by Trump ever

Trump sinks to a new low with this callous, disgusting, loveless statement.
The casual way he puts this garbage out is truly amazing.

Patrick Phillips

[Vinca]

85. I finally heard Andrea Mitchell mention this on her show, but it's a mystery why this

isn't getting more coverage. Truly the most vile utterance from this ignorant creep.

[Stuart G]

89. Perhaps this is just starting...Sometimes the rain begins with a drizzle

If we know that this is vile, then our leadership knows. If this is the .."most vile out of this creep" then perhaps, just perhaps...the democratic leaders are waiting to attack. Perhaps the attack will be in unison...and
Trump will have trouble defending such an attack.
..Why wait?..Get everything in a row, with your everything ready..and sure of exactly how to attack..then let the "ignorant creep" have it full throttle. All at once.

...The statement is so stupid and indefensible, that the ignorant creep must pay. And further away we get..the harder it will be for him to take it back..."Oh I am sorry for what I said 2 days ago..or will it be 3 days...well, it is too late ......................You're fired ignorant creep!!!!

[awesomerwb1]

87. Zero chance this could be the "end of trump".

[fescuerescue]

88. The beginning of the end has already began

otherwise this would be it

[lpbk2713]

90. He'll have Conway & Sanders admonish the press for misinterpreting him.

He will have them do his dirty work.

[Greg K]

91. E. He'll double down and say something even worse next time.

[notinkansas]

92. Of course he will

He got the response he was looking for from his crowd.

Nothing riles them up like the subject of abortion - and now infanticide too.

And thanks to the almighty churches (who should no longer be tax exempt because of their political activity), there are way too many single issue voters out there.