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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsImpeach him now (put it on the republicans in the senate if they want to still stand w/Trump.)
1) Russia messed with our elections to install Trump.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212041731
2) Trump and company knowingly took the Russian help and worked with the Russian too.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212037032
3) Trump and Barr have worked to obstruct any investigations into Russia's actions in 2016.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212031955
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I don't care about politics or the elections is a flat out right vs wrong case.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Force the Republicans to publicly stand by Trump, to publicly offer excuses for what he is doing.
Botany
(70,288 posts).... he is "naughty boy" but the other 70 to 75% of Americans are now or will be sickened by
his treason and crimes. More than enough to get a landslide that will overcome their dirty
voting machines.
bdamomma
(63,652 posts)we know that, voter suppression is rampart.
spanone
(135,632 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)but we need to explain impeachment hearings better. We should drag out the hearings, expose every vile, illegal thing that trump has done, and we should take our time about it. This will enable us to control the narrative in the M$M and that is important. If we don't, Barr is going to investigate the FBI and Democrats and accuse them of carrying out a witch hunt against Trump and we don't need that narrative.
Zoonart
(11,748 posts)Investigate the living shit out of 45 and the whole criminal cartel.
Then...impeachment as the October surprise 2020. How about a week or so before the election? Think Comey.
Then all Thugs have to go on the record (days before the election) when asked about conviction in the Senate.
Just sayin.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)for 2020 election is what matters. Not some crazy rush for impeachment. Let us have 4-5 months of current investigations, then 4-6 months of an articles of impeachment hearing, then send impeachment to McConnel next June/July. HE WILL NOT BRING up in the Senate as the constitution does not MANDATE a time line. He will say let the voters decide and I say that will BE A WINNING issue for democrats in Nov 2020
spanone
(135,632 posts)this is not a normal presidency.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)trump can't stop anything that is being looked into BEFORE he was sworn in as president
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)before there is irreparable harm to the democracy. That and I do honestly believe he thinks he's going to be president for life. His Russian friends would be glad to help him with that I bet.
bdamomma
(63,652 posts)McConnell and his repig thugs, they will hit the ground so hard. Let's change the narrative from Pelosi to McConnell. I want to see him hit bottom.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)are going to vote to convict? Please list them.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)There is no need to repost this over and over and over ad nauseum.
WE DONT CARE WHAT THE SENATE DOES. THE HOUSE IMPEACHES WITHOUT THE SENATE.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)to remove from office. Without a conviction in the Senate, impeachment is useless.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)So there are numerous reasons to impeach without conviction. Here are a few key ones:
-- Impeachment is the right thing to do. There has never been a person more deserving impeachment than Trump.
-- Impeachment will allow the House to dig deeper into Trumps crimes and misdemeanors.
-- Impeachment will generate a ton of news coverage and will likely be the lead story every evening during the process.
-- Impeachment will hang the noose of being impeached around Trumps neck and drive him crazy.
And not impeaching would give Trump a lovely campaign line:
"I cannot be impeached because I didn't commit any crimes. That's why the Democrats didn't impeach me. No crimes, no collusion, no impeachment!"
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Trump will be able to campaign saying he was exonerated and that impeachment was a failed partisan witch hunt.
The House can still investigate Trump and dig deeper into his business dealings and any other illegal actions. All of which will still generate a ton of news coverage.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)Most everyone knows the GOP is complicit in his crimes so no shock there there that they would vote to support him.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)why did so many still vote for the GOP in the midterms? Why do 39% of the people still support Trump? And why are 48% against impeachment?
Isn't it better to let the House keep investigating Trump until public opinion swings to favor impeachment?
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)support impeachment now. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/22/trump-approval-mueller-report-1286386
What's wrong with letting the House continue to investigate him until most of the people support impeachment?
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)Once all the dirt comes out from the impeachment hearings that number will likely skyrocket.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)During Watergate, the Senate held hearings for over a year. It was that investigation that turned public opinion.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)the goal needs to be impeachment at some point.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)If they go as long as the Senate Watergate committee, that will be right before the election.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)necessary to capture the public's attention. What happens after a few months of these long-winded hearings and we are still in the same boat with around 40% supporting impeachment? We just drop it? Then Trump wins.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)and what evidence is uncovered.
And Trump only wins if he's re-elected.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)Impeachment hearings would be a bigger spectacle. Trump would be tweeting like a madman. The talking heads would all be talking about it. The evidence uncovered would reach alot more people. Exactly what is needed.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)All depends on what evidence is presented in the hearings. If impeachment hearings were done now, it would just be a re-hash of the Mueller report. If there are more broad investigative hearings that delve into Trumps taxes and business, the new revelations might gain more attention.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)No reason to limit it to just the Mueller report.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)just House oversight hearings. Either way same result.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)As has been stated here many times.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)The Senate Watergate hearings carried a lot of weight. Most of the clips used In Watergate documentaries are from those hearings, not from the House impeachment hearings.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)except perhaps you.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)including Trump's?
The weight any hearings carry impeachment or not will depend on the witnesses and the testimony. Not on their label.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)its obvious to everyone except perhaps you.. again.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Just because it has the label impeachment? You don't think the witnesses, testimony and evidence are what will get everyone's attention? That's the way it worked during Watergate.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)honest.abe
(8,556 posts)It doesnt matter if he is convicted in the Senate if he loses the election in 2020.