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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:44 AM

Impeach him now (put it on the republicans in the senate if they want to still stand w/Trump.)

1) Russia messed with our elections to install Trump.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212041731


2) Trump and company knowingly took the Russian help and worked with the Russian too.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212037032

3) Trump and Barr have worked to obstruct any investigations into Russia's actions in 2016.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212031955

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I don't care about politics or the elections is a flat out right vs wrong case.

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Reply Impeach him now (put it on the republicans in the senate if they want to still stand w/Trump.) (Original post)
Botany Apr 24 OP
DetlefK Apr 24 #1
Botany Apr 24 #4
bdamomma Apr 24 #9
spanone Apr 24 #2
watoos Apr 24 #3
Zoonart Apr 24 #5
gldstwmn Apr 24 #32
beachbum bob Apr 24 #6
spanone Apr 24 #8
beachbum bob Apr 24 #11
gldstwmn Apr 24 #33
bdamomma Apr 24 #7
DLevine Apr 24 #10
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #12
honest.abe Apr 24 #13
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #14
honest.abe Apr 24 #15
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #16
honest.abe Apr 24 #17
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #18
honest.abe Apr 24 #19
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #20
honest.abe Apr 24 #21
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #22
honest.abe Apr 24 #23
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #24
honest.abe Apr 24 #25
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #26
honest.abe Apr 24 #27
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #28
honest.abe Apr 24 #29
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #30
honest.abe Apr 24 #31
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #35
honest.abe Apr 24 #37
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #38
honest.abe Apr 24 #39
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #40
honest.abe Apr 24 #41
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #42
gldstwmn Apr 24 #34
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #36
honest.abe Apr 24 #43
Trumpocalypse Apr 24 #44
honest.abe Apr 24 #45

Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:48 AM

1. Exactly what I have been saying.

Force the Republicans to publicly stand by Trump, to publicly offer excuses for what he is doing.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:52 AM

4. Trump has a base of 25 to 30% who don't care what he does and even take delight in the fact that ...

.... he is "naughty boy" but the other 70 to 75% of Americans are now or will be sickened by
his treason and crimes. More than enough to get a landslide that will overcome their dirty
voting machines.

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Response to Botany (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:08 AM

9. the repigs play dirty

we know that, voter suppression is rampart.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:48 AM

2. K&R...

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:50 AM

3. I agree with you,

but we need to explain impeachment hearings better. We should drag out the hearings, expose every vile, illegal thing that trump has done, and we should take our time about it. This will enable us to control the narrative in the M$M and that is important. If we don't, Barr is going to investigate the FBI and Democrats and accuse them of carrying out a witch hunt against Trump and we don't need that narrative.

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Response to watoos (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:53 AM

5. Exactly!... posted this yesterday:

Investigate the living shit out of 45 and the whole criminal cartel.

Then...impeachment as the October surprise 2020. How about a week or so before the election? Think Comey.

Then all Thugs have to go on the record (days before the election) when asked about conviction in the Senate.

Just sayin.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 02:11 PM

32. I like this scenario a lot.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:47 AM

6. let Pelosi do her job. The hearings underway and timetable to inflict as much damage on trump/gop

for 2020 election is what matters. Not some crazy rush for impeachment. Let us have 4-5 months of current investigations, then 4-6 months of an articles of impeachment hearing, then send impeachment to McConnel next June/July. HE WILL NOT BRING up in the Senate as the constitution does not MANDATE a time line. He will say let the voters decide and I say that will BE A WINNING issue for democrats in Nov 2020

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:08 AM

8. trump will not allow investigations. he will tie this up in the courts. it's already happening.

this is not a normal presidency.

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Response to spanone (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:13 AM

11. pelosi and the house has lots of power. Give it time as this is no surprise.

trump can't stop anything that is being looked into BEFORE he was sworn in as president

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 02:14 PM

33. I'm just worried that we don't have the luxury of time

before there is irreparable harm to the democracy. That and I do honestly believe he thinks he's going to be president for life. His Russian friends would be glad to help him with that I bet.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:05 AM

7. Throw it to

McConnell and his repig thugs, they will hit the ground so hard. Let's change the narrative from Pelosi to McConnell. I want to see him hit bottom.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:08 AM

10. Agree. nt

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:58 AM

12. What 20 GOP Senators

are going to vote to convict? Please list them.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:05 AM

13. We all know there are not 20 GOP Senators willing to vote to convict.

There is no need to repost this over and over and over ad nauseum.

WE DONT CARE WHAT THE SENATE DOES. THE HOUSE IMPEACHES WITHOUT THE SENATE.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:10 AM

14. And the Senate convicts

to remove from office. Without a conviction in the Senate, impeachment is useless.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:25 AM

15. Oh good you finally have moved on to a legitimate argument.

So there are numerous reasons to impeach without conviction. Here are a few key ones:

-- Impeachment is the right thing to do. There has never been a person more deserving impeachment than Trump.
-- Impeachment will allow the House to dig deeper into Trumps crimes and misdemeanors.
-- Impeachment will generate a ton of news coverage and will likely be the lead story every evening during the process.
-- Impeachment will hang the noose of being impeached around Trumps neck and drive him crazy.

And not impeaching would give Trump a lovely campaign line:

"I cannot be impeached because I didn't commit any crimes. That's why the Democrats didn't impeach me. No crimes, no collusion, no impeachment!"

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:32 AM

16. And without a conviction

Trump will be able to campaign saying he was exonerated and that impeachment was a failed partisan witch hunt.

The House can still investigate Trump and dig deeper into his business dealings and any other illegal actions. All of which will still generate a ton of news coverage.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:34 AM

17. Sure, he will try that but that wont go very far.

Most everyone knows the GOP is complicit in his crimes so no shock there there that they would vote to support him.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:42 AM

18. If most everyone knows

why did so many still vote for the GOP in the midterms? Why do 39% of the people still support Trump? And why are 48% against impeachment?

Isn't it better to let the House keep investigating Trump until public opinion swings to favor impeachment?

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:46 AM

19. Most means more than 50%.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:50 AM

20. And only 34% of the people

support impeachment now. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/22/trump-approval-mueller-report-1286386

What's wrong with letting the House continue to investigate him until most of the people support impeachment?

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:52 AM

21. Which is another good reason to start the impeachment process.

Once all the dirt comes out from the impeachment hearings that number will likely skyrocket.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:58 AM

22. Don't need impeachment hearings to investigate

During Watergate, the Senate held hearings for over a year. It was that investigation that turned public opinion.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:00 PM

23. I guess Im fine to start the hearings without impeachment but..

the goal needs to be impeachment at some point.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:05 PM

24. Depend on how long the investigations last.

If they go as long as the Senate Watergate committee, that will be right before the election.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #24)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:10 PM

25. My fear is that standard run of the mill hearings alone wont generate the buzz..

necessary to capture the public's attention. What happens after a few months of these long-winded hearings and we are still in the same boat with around 40% supporting impeachment? We just drop it? Then Trump wins.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:19 PM

26. That depends on the testimony

and what evidence is uncovered.

And Trump only wins if he's re-elected.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:24 PM

27. And depends on if people are paying attention.

Impeachment hearings would be a bigger spectacle. Trump would be tweeting like a madman. The talking heads would all be talking about it. The evidence uncovered would reach alot more people. Exactly what is needed.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #27)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:34 PM

28. Maybe/Maybe not

All depends on what evidence is presented in the hearings. If impeachment hearings were done now, it would just be a re-hash of the Mueller report. If there are more broad investigative hearings that delve into Trumps taxes and business, the new revelations might gain more attention.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:35 PM

29. All those issues can be included in impeachment hearings.

No reason to limit it to just the Mueller report.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 01:20 PM

30. They don't have to be impeachment hearings

just House oversight hearings. Either way same result.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 02:09 PM

31. Not necessarily the same result as "impeachment" carries more weight.

As has been stated here many times.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 02:25 PM

35. More weight in who's mind?

The Senate Watergate hearings carried a lot of weight. Most of the clips used In Watergate documentaries are from those hearings, not from the House impeachment hearings.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 03:17 PM

37. The mind of the public, the media, Trump, everyone..

except perhaps you.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #37)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 03:58 PM

38. So you can read everyone else's mind

including Trump's?

The weight any hearings carry impeachment or not will depend on the witnesses and the testimony. Not on their label.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #38)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:01 PM

39. No need for special powers..

its obvious to everyone except perhaps you.. again.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #39)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:10 PM

40. Why is it obvious?

Just because it has the label impeachment? You don't think the witnesses, testimony and evidence are what will get everyone's attention? That's the way it worked during Watergate.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:22 PM

41. Yes, the label impeachment.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:28 PM

42. Maybe/Maybe not

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 02:15 PM

34. No need to convict if he loses the election.

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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 02:25 PM

36. Exactly nt

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 05:59 PM

43. I think you missed the point of that post.

It doesnt matter if he is convicted in the Senate if he loses the election in 2020.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #43)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 05:59 PM

44. Yes exactly! nt

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #44)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:04 PM

45. Ok great!

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