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Botany

(70,288 posts)
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:44 AM Apr 2019

Impeach him now (put it on the republicans in the senate if they want to still stand w/Trump.)

1) Russia messed with our elections to install Trump.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212041731


2) Trump and company knowingly took the Russian help and worked with the Russian too.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212037032

3) Trump and Barr have worked to obstruct any investigations into Russia's actions in 2016.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212031955

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I don't care about politics or the elections is a flat out right vs wrong case.

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Impeach him now (put it on the republicans in the senate if they want to still stand w/Trump.) (Original Post) Botany Apr 2019 OP
Exactly what I have been saying. DetlefK Apr 2019 #1
Trump has a base of 25 to 30% who don't care what he does and even take delight in the fact that ... Botany Apr 2019 #4
the repigs play dirty bdamomma Apr 2019 #9
K&R... spanone Apr 2019 #2
I agree with you, watoos Apr 2019 #3
Exactly!... posted this yesterday: Zoonart Apr 2019 #5
I like this scenario a lot. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #32
let Pelosi do her job. The hearings underway and timetable to inflict as much damage on trump/gop beachbum bob Apr 2019 #6
trump will not allow investigations. he will tie this up in the courts. it's already happening. spanone Apr 2019 #8
pelosi and the house has lots of power. Give it time as this is no surprise. beachbum bob Apr 2019 #11
I'm just worried that we don't have the luxury of time gldstwmn Apr 2019 #33
Throw it to bdamomma Apr 2019 #7
Agree. nt DLevine Apr 2019 #10
What 20 GOP Senators Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #12
We all know there are not 20 GOP Senators willing to vote to convict. honest.abe Apr 2019 #13
And the Senate convicts Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #14
Oh good you finally have moved on to a legitimate argument. honest.abe Apr 2019 #15
And without a conviction Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #16
Sure, he will try that but that wont go very far. honest.abe Apr 2019 #17
If most everyone knows Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #18
Most means more than 50%. honest.abe Apr 2019 #19
And only 34% of the people Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #20
Which is another good reason to start the impeachment process. honest.abe Apr 2019 #21
Don't need impeachment hearings to investigate Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #22
I guess Im fine to start the hearings without impeachment but.. honest.abe Apr 2019 #23
Depend on how long the investigations last. Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #24
My fear is that standard run of the mill hearings alone wont generate the buzz.. honest.abe Apr 2019 #25
That depends on the testimony Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #26
And depends on if people are paying attention. honest.abe Apr 2019 #27
Maybe/Maybe not Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #28
All those issues can be included in impeachment hearings. honest.abe Apr 2019 #29
They don't have to be impeachment hearings Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #30
Not necessarily the same result as "impeachment" carries more weight. honest.abe Apr 2019 #31
More weight in who's mind? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #35
The mind of the public, the media, Trump, everyone.. honest.abe Apr 2019 #37
So you can read everyone else's mind Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #38
No need for special powers.. honest.abe Apr 2019 #39
Why is it obvious? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #40
Yes, the label impeachment. honest.abe Apr 2019 #41
Maybe/Maybe not Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #42
No need to convict if he loses the election. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #34
Exactly nt Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #36
I think you missed the point of that post. honest.abe Apr 2019 #43
Yes exactly! nt Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #44
Ok great! honest.abe Apr 2019 #45

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
1. Exactly what I have been saying.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:48 AM
Apr 2019

Force the Republicans to publicly stand by Trump, to publicly offer excuses for what he is doing.

Botany

(70,288 posts)
4. Trump has a base of 25 to 30% who don't care what he does and even take delight in the fact that ...
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:52 AM
Apr 2019

.... he is "naughty boy" but the other 70 to 75% of Americans are now or will be sickened by
his treason and crimes. More than enough to get a landslide that will overcome their dirty
voting machines.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
3. I agree with you,
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:50 AM
Apr 2019

but we need to explain impeachment hearings better. We should drag out the hearings, expose every vile, illegal thing that trump has done, and we should take our time about it. This will enable us to control the narrative in the M$M and that is important. If we don't, Barr is going to investigate the FBI and Democrats and accuse them of carrying out a witch hunt against Trump and we don't need that narrative.

Zoonart

(11,748 posts)
5. Exactly!... posted this yesterday:
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:53 AM
Apr 2019

Investigate the living shit out of 45 and the whole criminal cartel.

Then...impeachment as the October surprise 2020. How about a week or so before the election? Think Comey.

Then all Thugs have to go on the record (days before the election) when asked about conviction in the Senate.

Just sayin.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
6. let Pelosi do her job. The hearings underway and timetable to inflict as much damage on trump/gop
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:47 AM
Apr 2019

for 2020 election is what matters. Not some crazy rush for impeachment. Let us have 4-5 months of current investigations, then 4-6 months of an articles of impeachment hearing, then send impeachment to McConnel next June/July. HE WILL NOT BRING up in the Senate as the constitution does not MANDATE a time line. He will say let the voters decide and I say that will BE A WINNING issue for democrats in Nov 2020

spanone

(135,632 posts)
8. trump will not allow investigations. he will tie this up in the courts. it's already happening.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:08 AM
Apr 2019

this is not a normal presidency.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
11. pelosi and the house has lots of power. Give it time as this is no surprise.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:13 AM
Apr 2019

trump can't stop anything that is being looked into BEFORE he was sworn in as president

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
33. I'm just worried that we don't have the luxury of time
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 02:14 PM
Apr 2019

before there is irreparable harm to the democracy. That and I do honestly believe he thinks he's going to be president for life. His Russian friends would be glad to help him with that I bet.

bdamomma

(63,652 posts)
7. Throw it to
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:05 AM
Apr 2019

McConnell and his repig thugs, they will hit the ground so hard. Let's change the narrative from Pelosi to McConnell. I want to see him hit bottom.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
13. We all know there are not 20 GOP Senators willing to vote to convict.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:05 AM
Apr 2019

There is no need to repost this over and over and over ad nauseum.

WE DONT CARE WHAT THE SENATE DOES. THE HOUSE IMPEACHES WITHOUT THE SENATE.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
14. And the Senate convicts
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:10 AM
Apr 2019

to remove from office. Without a conviction in the Senate, impeachment is useless.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
15. Oh good you finally have moved on to a legitimate argument.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:25 AM
Apr 2019

So there are numerous reasons to impeach without conviction. Here are a few key ones:

-- Impeachment is the right thing to do. There has never been a person more deserving impeachment than Trump.
-- Impeachment will allow the House to dig deeper into Trumps crimes and misdemeanors.
-- Impeachment will generate a ton of news coverage and will likely be the lead story every evening during the process.
-- Impeachment will hang the noose of being impeached around Trumps neck and drive him crazy.

And not impeaching would give Trump a lovely campaign line:

"I cannot be impeached because I didn't commit any crimes. That's why the Democrats didn't impeach me. No crimes, no collusion, no impeachment!"

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
16. And without a conviction
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:32 AM
Apr 2019

Trump will be able to campaign saying he was exonerated and that impeachment was a failed partisan witch hunt.

The House can still investigate Trump and dig deeper into his business dealings and any other illegal actions. All of which will still generate a ton of news coverage.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
17. Sure, he will try that but that wont go very far.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:34 AM
Apr 2019

Most everyone knows the GOP is complicit in his crimes so no shock there there that they would vote to support him.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
18. If most everyone knows
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:42 AM
Apr 2019

why did so many still vote for the GOP in the midterms? Why do 39% of the people still support Trump? And why are 48% against impeachment?

Isn't it better to let the House keep investigating Trump until public opinion swings to favor impeachment?

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
20. And only 34% of the people
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:50 AM
Apr 2019

support impeachment now. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/22/trump-approval-mueller-report-1286386

What's wrong with letting the House continue to investigate him until most of the people support impeachment?

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
21. Which is another good reason to start the impeachment process.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:52 AM
Apr 2019

Once all the dirt comes out from the impeachment hearings that number will likely skyrocket.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
22. Don't need impeachment hearings to investigate
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:58 AM
Apr 2019

During Watergate, the Senate held hearings for over a year. It was that investigation that turned public opinion.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
23. I guess Im fine to start the hearings without impeachment but..
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:00 PM
Apr 2019

the goal needs to be impeachment at some point.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
24. Depend on how long the investigations last.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:05 PM
Apr 2019

If they go as long as the Senate Watergate committee, that will be right before the election.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
25. My fear is that standard run of the mill hearings alone wont generate the buzz..
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:10 PM
Apr 2019

necessary to capture the public's attention. What happens after a few months of these long-winded hearings and we are still in the same boat with around 40% supporting impeachment? We just drop it? Then Trump wins.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
26. That depends on the testimony
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:19 PM
Apr 2019

and what evidence is uncovered.

And Trump only wins if he's re-elected.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
27. And depends on if people are paying attention.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:24 PM
Apr 2019

Impeachment hearings would be a bigger spectacle. Trump would be tweeting like a madman. The talking heads would all be talking about it. The evidence uncovered would reach alot more people. Exactly what is needed.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
28. Maybe/Maybe not
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:34 PM
Apr 2019

All depends on what evidence is presented in the hearings. If impeachment hearings were done now, it would just be a re-hash of the Mueller report. If there are more broad investigative hearings that delve into Trumps taxes and business, the new revelations might gain more attention.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
29. All those issues can be included in impeachment hearings.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:35 PM
Apr 2019

No reason to limit it to just the Mueller report.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
31. Not necessarily the same result as "impeachment" carries more weight.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 02:09 PM
Apr 2019

As has been stated here many times.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
35. More weight in who's mind?
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 02:25 PM
Apr 2019

The Senate Watergate hearings carried a lot of weight. Most of the clips used In Watergate documentaries are from those hearings, not from the House impeachment hearings.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
38. So you can read everyone else's mind
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 03:58 PM
Apr 2019

including Trump's?

The weight any hearings carry impeachment or not will depend on the witnesses and the testimony. Not on their label.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
40. Why is it obvious?
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:10 PM
Apr 2019

Just because it has the label impeachment? You don't think the witnesses, testimony and evidence are what will get everyone's attention? That's the way it worked during Watergate.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
43. I think you missed the point of that post.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 05:59 PM
Apr 2019

It doesnt matter if he is convicted in the Senate if he loses the election in 2020.

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