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Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:10 AM

 

Yesterday, Speaker Pelosi again took impeachment off the table. Track the damage done to our...

...democracy by tRump and his henchmen, from yesterday onward, as they are allowed to continue ravaging everything they can while we wait for some kind of check on them from Congress and while we wait for justice, should it ever come.

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Reply Yesterday, Speaker Pelosi again took impeachment off the table. Track the damage done to our... (Original post)
DontBooVote Apr 23 OP
NurseJackie Apr 23 #1
Eliot Rosewater Apr 23 #28
PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 23 #36
NurseJackie Apr 23 #41
Rambling Man Apr 24 #59
NurseJackie Apr 24 #61
NurseJackie Apr 23 #44
marylandblue Apr 24 #55
lapucelle Apr 23 #2
StarfishSaver Apr 23 #3
DontBooVote Apr 23 #5
StarfishSaver Apr 23 #8
Kurt V. Apr 23 #29
StarfishSaver Apr 23 #35
StarfishSaver Apr 24 #63
DURHAM D Apr 23 #4
DontBooVote Apr 23 #7
DURHAM D Apr 23 #9
DontBooVote Apr 23 #10
DURHAM D Apr 23 #14
DontBooVote Apr 23 #16
DURHAM D Apr 23 #17
DontBooVote Apr 23 #22
DURHAM D Apr 23 #23
Codeine Apr 24 #52
DontBooVote Apr 24 #53
Codeine Apr 24 #56
StarfishSaver Apr 23 #24
Kurt V. Apr 23 #32
DontBooVote Apr 23 #40
Kurt V. Apr 23 #33
Paladin Apr 23 #6
manor321 Apr 23 #11
Eliot Rosewater Apr 23 #30
Trumpocalypse Apr 23 #12
DontBooVote Apr 23 #15
Trumpocalypse Apr 23 #18
Ninga Apr 23 #20
StarfishSaver Apr 23 #34
Ninga Apr 23 #13
StarfishSaver Apr 23 #19
Chin music Apr 23 #42
mr_lebowski Apr 24 #51
DontBooVote Apr 23 #21
uponit7771 Apr 23 #37
NYMinute Apr 23 #25
stonecutter357 Apr 23 #26
ehrnst Apr 24 #49
kentuck Apr 23 #27
NurseJackie Apr 23 #31
Ninga Apr 23 #38
mcar Apr 23 #39
stillcool Apr 23 #43
Codeine Apr 24 #57
bdamomma Apr 23 #45
malaise Apr 23 #46
Stuart G Apr 23 #47
ehrnst Apr 24 #48
ehrnst Apr 24 #50
Indykatie Apr 24 #54
Hekate Apr 24 #58
tinrobot Apr 24 #60
gldstwmn Apr 24 #62

Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:15 AM

1. I trust Nancy Pelosi's judgement on this.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:51 AM

28. The you know who's will make sure we dont get the WH now with dividing us etc

I am officially retired from trying to help people understand who is really who and what is going on.

time to focus on my family, while putin still allows me to have one

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:20 AM

36. I don't.

Come 2020, if the Democrats have done NOTHING, Trump and his minions will claim loudly that he was exonerated, and therefore deserving of re-election. And the Democrat's only reply will be, "Well, the only reason we didn't impeach was because we didn't think it would pass the Senate"? Really?

This is a lot like a parent not bothering to set a child straight on what's acceptable behavior and what is not acceptable.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #36)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:46 AM

41. That's simply not true. But what IS true...

That's simply not true. But what IS true is that if the Senate fails to convict, THAT will be when the GOP and Trump claim that he's been exonerated and "found innocent".

This is a lot like a parent not bothering to set a child straight on what's acceptable behavior and what is not acceptable.
No, it's not like that at all. That's an overly-simplistic (and wrong-headed) way of describing it. It's a bad analogy. And even if we follow that analogy, the Democrats have made it very clear what's "acceptable behavior" and what's not.

Surely you've seen it, it's been in all the papers and all over TV.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:34 PM

59. GOP will lie regardless of anything democrats try to do.

GOP cannot be relied upon to do the right thing.

Making the determination about doing what is right should NOT ride on what repubs think or do.

They live in a fact-free universe of lies.

It's like trying to reason with a recalcitrant toddler: just not possible or even worthwhile.

On edit: Trumpistas already believe Trump is innocent, has been exonerated, and is the second coming of Christ.

Bridge crossed/ship sailed on that.

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Response to Rambling Man (Reply #59)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:52 PM

61. Nobody is doing that.

Making the determination about doing what is right should NOT ride on what repubs think or do.
Nobody is doing that.

I trust Nancy Pelosi to NOT make hasty, knee-jerk responses. She will consider everything.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #36)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 12:01 PM

44. This is relevant...

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 01:10 PM

55. In 2020, Democrats will run on healthcare, jobs and income inequality.

Trump will run on immigration scare tactics and whatever dirt he can find or invent for his opponent. I hope that opponent laughs at Trump and says, "can we talk about healthcare now?"

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:18 AM

2. I trust Nancy Pelosi's judgement as well.

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:18 AM

3. Nothing to track

Because no damage was done.

First, she didn't "take impeachment off the table.""

Second, Pelosi and the Dems are going about this the right way.

If they filed Articles of Impeachment today, they would be based solely on the information in the Mueller report. No Emoluments. No tax returns. No money laundering. Just the Mueller Report. And the inquiry would be, not what else Trump has done wrong, but whether the information in the Mueller Report rises to the level of a high crime or misdemeanor. We already know where everyone stands on this. And the impeachment inquiry would pretty much shut down any other investigations by other committees into any other crimes or misdemeanors Trump has engaged in because they would not be subject of the impeachment inquiry, which would be limited to the allegations in the Articles of Impeachment.

The only appropriate way to proceed is for the various committees in the House to continue their investigations, hold public hearings through which the American people can hear from Mueller, McGahan, et al and watch Donnie, Jr., Priebus, Kelly, Mnuchin, Miller and other assorted co-consipirators testify under oath and get raked over the coals. In short order, the public will see exactly how corrupt and craven this administration is and THEN the Judiciary Committee can draft Articles of Impeachment that encompass the broad range of crimes Trump has engaged in.

And if, despite the public pressure and the damning public record, the Republicans refuse to convict him in the Senate, it will be all on them.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:20 AM

5. Ignoring subpoenas, and the lack of enforcement thereof, breaks your entire take.

 

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Response to DontBooVote (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:22 AM

8. No, it doesn't

But if they can ignore subpoenas in a House investigation, they can also ignore subpoenas in an impeachment inquiry.

My take is correct.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:51 AM

29. Damage is done to real ppl every day bc of trump policy. the violence, including murder,

Humanitarian issues at the sourhern border, graft on a governmental scale. there is urgency here.

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #29)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:15 AM

35. Filing Articles of Impeachment today based on the Mueller report

and starting an impeachment process that won't further expose his other wrongdoing or result in his removal from office won't have any more impact on what's happening at the border than holding additional hearings, developing a stronger, more sustainable case will.


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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:19 AM

4. You title does not match article.

From your link -

On Sunday, Speaker Nancy Pelosi took the extraordinary step of asking the U.S. Capitol Police and the House sergeant-at-arms to work to “safeguard Congresswoman Omar, her family and her staff.”

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:22 AM

7. I don't see that at the link. I see Amy's List.

 

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Response to DontBooVote (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:26 AM

9. Who is Amy?

Your link is to something called the weekly list.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:28 AM

10. Ummm...sorry. If you don't know about Amy Siskind's List, I can't help you.

 

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Response to DontBooVote (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:32 AM

14. I think I have this right.

You post a title that does not correspond to your link but you thought your link was to something else and then you insult me because you screwed up.

Nice

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:33 AM

16. Whatever you think, lol.

 



I suspect you're the only poster having trouble with knowing what Amy's List is.

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Response to DontBooVote (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:35 AM

17. There is something wrong with you. nt

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:38 AM

22. Actually, no. There is something wrong with you for picking such a stupid fight.

 

It's Amy's List. Amy tracks all the deeds done by donnie. It's simple, really.

Lol.

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Response to DontBooVote (Reply #22)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:41 AM

23. Seems like no one in this thread agrees with you. nt

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Response to DontBooVote (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:35 PM

52. Wouldn't it have been easier

to just explain to the other poster what Amy’s List is? Not all of us are heavy users of Twitter and therefore are quite unlikely to have any knowledge of Amy or her eponymous list.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #52)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:39 PM

53. I did explain it, in post #40. Also, I'm not a heavy user of Twitter. I learned about her from my...

 

...local network of Democratic activists with whom I'm doing GOTV, protests and demonstrations, and organizing.

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Response to DontBooVote (Reply #53)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:29 PM

56. After you snarked out for no apparent reason.

“If you don’t know whatever random-ass person I’m obliquely referencing then I can’t possibly deign to help or inform you” is a less than civil response.

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Response to DontBooVote (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:41 AM

24. I've never heard of Amy's list

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:57 AM

32. she's a twitter person is all i know. 350k followers. she's pretty good

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:45 AM

40. It's an excellent resource on the damage being done daily by tRump and his goons. She's been

 

compiling it daily since Jan 20, 2017, as a way to avoid the "frog in boiling water" phenomenon by allowing us to see what is being done to destroy our democracy on a daily basis.

She's also published a book, which I've seen mentioned here on DU before: https://www.amazon.com/List-Week-Week-Reckoning-Trumps/dp/1635572711/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=amy+siskind&qid=1556034277&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:58 AM

33. There's several articles there so this commentary i assume.

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:20 AM

6. I trust Pelosi's judgment on things other than impeachment. (nt)

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:28 AM

11. Bullshit. Nancy did not take impeachment off the table. That is incorrect.

 

The shift has already happened, so we're arguing mostly over whether to impeach now or hold hearings.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:53 AM

30. The thread is a propaganda piece to BASH democratic leaders. And here it remains

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:30 AM

12. Speaker Pelosi took took impeachment off the table in 2007

and we had huge victories in 2008.

I trust her on this.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:32 AM

15. But what about 2018's Blue Wave, the purpose of which was to hold tRump to account? So far, we've

 

seen very little to justify the work that I did and that 100,000s of other Democrats did to give House Dems the majority and her the Speakership.

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Response to DontBooVote (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:36 AM

18. Wait and see the result of the investigations

The problem with the left is that they want instantaneous change. We need to learn to be more patient.

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Response to DontBooVote (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:37 AM

20. Would be interested to know how many DU'ers read the entire Mueller report? I did. And

to read in black and white took me to a level of disgust and upset that was disheartening.

To not think even the redacted Report is not enough is surprising.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:09 AM

34. It may be enough for you and me

But that's not the issue since it's not only about us.

Most people haven't read the report cover to cover or even partially, and aren't going to. They're going to need to be convinced in more tactile ways. That will come through in-person testimony, day-to-day coverage, etc.

We all need to slow our roll and let this proceed the right way!

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:30 AM

13. Because we've never been here before with this kind of a stranglehold on the Office of

The Presidency, to go forward without having previous experience to draw on is akin to guessing.

Nancy said yesterday...

"We have to save our democracy. This isn’t about Democrats or Republicans. It’s about saving our democracy,” Pelosi said.

Smarter people than me have stated that there is more than enough in the Mueller report to begin Impeachment hearings.

i agree with Sen. Warren. Go through the process and make every Senator stand before the American people to declare their vote.

Good grief. It's the very least we can do.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:36 AM

19. There was technically enough on January 21, 2017. But we need more

There may be more than enough in the Mueller Report "technically" to support impeachment, but it's not enough in this climate.

If Articles of Impeachment are filed now, the other investigations would essentially have to shut down because the impeachment inquiry would be limited to what's in the articles.

Why the rush? What's wrong with waiting a few more months to enable the other committees to conduct in-depth hearings and investigations that gather an entire sh*tload of evidence that can be included in the Articles, making a virtually fool-proof case for impeachment and convincing a much larger segment of the public to support it?

I'm really glad that Speaker Pelosi is not being swayed by the hysteria in the ranks and jumping the gun so that we can try to "get him" even if that means falling on our faces in the long run and that she and her team are keeping their eyes on the prize, moving methodically and carefully toward the goal we're all trying to achieve.

The least we can do is to take the time to get it right.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:50 AM

42. If we wait 'months', the gop media can spin it badly. Plus, starting an impeachment in an

election year can be seen as a political hit job even more. Let's get it started.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:18 PM

51. For one thing, they won't be able to conduct ANY 'in-depth' probes if Trump stonewalls by preventing

ANY documents, or ANY witnesses, that are in ANY way under his 'control' as head of the Executive ... from being delivered to, or appearing before, any House committee.

He's made clear at this point, that's his intent.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:37 AM

21. That has been my take. Impeach and let every repug senator declare where they stand:

 

with tRump or with America and the Constitution.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:21 AM

37. +1, I honestly don't know where the handringing comes from

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:44 AM

25. In my opinion, Trump WANTS to get impeached

so that the whole country will be focused on him and ignore the campaign going on.

I respect and trust speaker Pelosi.

Let's keep digging and if we find the buried skeleton, we'd be that much stronger in impeaching. For now, all we have is shovels and wheelbarrows.

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:46 AM

26. " he's just not worth it" , House Speaker Nancy Pelosi .

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:02 PM

49. That's called trolling him. She knows that he can't stand being dismissed by a woman.

I hope that clarifies things.

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:48 AM

27. I don't think impeachment has been taken off the table?

I did not interpret it that way.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #27)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:53 AM

31. Correct. This OP is pretty much clickbait.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #27)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:43 AM

38. A hearing without declaring the hearing is being held to explore impeachment is just a hearing

and moreover, makes room for stonewalling.

The full Mueller report will be stonewalled unless the purpose is exploring impeachment.

Does anyone think Nadler will get the full report on the date he requested, May 1st?

Not one person believes he will.

Subpoenas will be ignored. They are now.

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:43 AM

39. No, she didn't

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:56 AM

43. What is it with the effing table?

I'm not going to go to the store today. Therefore... Stillcool is taking going to the store off the table! The family will never eat again!

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Response to stillcool (Reply #43)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:30 PM

57. I'm taking placemats off the table for now.

Please eat neatly.

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 12:02 PM

45. i think Nancy

should put McConnell on the table.

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 12:05 PM

46. She did not n/t

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 12:05 PM

47. I think Pelosi took impeachment off the table .."for now" 2 words understood, not stated:" for now"

I believe that .."now is not the time" That is what I believe. I think that if the time is right, Pelosi will lead the impeachment. We are not there yet, but we may get there. If we do, Pelosi will lead the impeachment.

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:00 PM

48. No she didn't. What are you talking about? (nt)

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:03 PM

50. Bernie thinks that impeachment would be good for Trump's chances in 2020.

Go figure.

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 01:10 PM

54. These Bogus Attacks Need to Stop. Dems are Moving Forward with Hearings, A Necessary First Step.

Those calling for impeachment BEFORE the completion of such hearings strike me as being politically naive or just wanting to create the perception that Dems are ignoring the wishes of their supporters. They really need to chill and give Pelosi and the Dems time to complete hearings and any needed investigations.

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:33 PM

58. Not accurate at all. Why are you doing this?

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:41 PM

60. She's taken nothing OFF the table. It is simply not ON the table yet.

Impeachment is the main course. You put it on the table when it is fully cooked and ready.

We're getting closer to that point, but we still need to keep the investigations going.

Patience.

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Response to DontBooVote (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:53 PM

62. We have a president who refuses to obey the

law and is telling others to do the same. He needs to be removed.

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