Good Effin' Grief

[malaise]

The COn touts a press conference at 9.30am tomorrow - meanwhile Congress receives the Report after 11.00am
This is absolutely criminal.
ITTMF!! What the fuck is wrong with Barr and the Con - if the report exonerates him, why all this deceit.

Come Nancy - stop this fucking crucifixion of the Constitution and rule of law.

[Poiuyt]

1. She doesn't want to divide the country

[malaise]

2. Huh?

The country is already divided

[Poiuyt]

3. Exactly

I couldn't believe it when I heard her say that about impeachment

[malaise]

4. Peter Carr says that no one from the Mueller Investigation

will be at the press conference. These folks normally remain silent.

This shit is going to blow up and soon!
Media should boycott the press conference.

[watoos]

17. Yes, you hit the nail on the head.

Mueller doesn’t tweet unless it’s important.
Mueller just took off his gloves, I’m betting on Mueller over Barr and Trump.

[rzemanfl]

50. Link please. n/t

[homegirl]

80. Text--not a link...

MUELLER: "Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting..."
From the Mueller Report, page 157:

"Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including Russian-interference and obstruction investigations."


So why didn't they investigate the President?

Page 160:
"The Department of Justice has taken the position that Section 1512(c)(2) states a broad, independent, and unqualified prohibition on obstruction of justice."


Mueller then argues over 22 pages that the DOJ position is legally incorrect and that the President should be investigated for obstruction.

His conclusion:

IV. Conclusion

Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.


Holding Trump accountable is up to Congress now.

[rzemanfl]

82. Right answer, wrong day. The report wasn't out yesterday.

I was looking for a link to the poster's assertion yesterday about Mueller's absence from the bullshit presser we heard this morning.

[bdamomma]

13. McConnell won't let it

happen. All the more reason the people have to vote in very large numbers, to get this criminal thuggish regime out.

[Greywing]

16. It is time to put McConnell's

nuts in a nutcracker ...

[PatrickforO]

21. Time to put McConnell on trial for treason.

[lastlib]

39. You'll have to ask the White House....

Trump is holding Turtle's testicles in escrow. Or something..........

[bdamomma]

54. Or big money

coming in from China?? and money from Russia.

[lastlib]

65. Undoubtedly through, um, "shell" companies........

[Ferrets are Cool]

64. This x 10000000000

[maxsolomon]

15. She SAYS she doesn't want to.

Please consider that her stance might be tactical.

[Lulu KC]

67. +1

[diva77]

68. This is faulty logic, IMHO. Time to ramp up impeachment hearings!!

[onit2day]

77. Then get out of congress if you can't hold criminals accountable

[FiveGoodMen]

78. Agreed!

[Chin music]

5. Always the Ds that have to be the 'Ghandis' of American politics.

SO sick of it. SOOO SO sick of it.
The gop looks like a banana republic dictatorship, but, somehow we still have to come to the table in top hat and tails, and willing to compromise. We will always lose doing this. I'm not saying we need revenge, but, when we deal w a group that LOVEs to see "liberal tears', (code for, "we can do now wrong bc if the other side is mad and crying...we won".) and we keep coming to the table like a lamb to slaughter, we'll be slaughtered. Over and over. It's almost 1/4 of the way through this congress...and Mueller's report hasn't been seen, and there's no end in sight to the obfuscation. FIGHT BACK CONGRESS. Stop being appalled, and channel the anger into sticking your foot up someones ass and breaking it off, for us, and for every American, who got us here today. Pretend you're Ted Kennedy.

[malaise]

6. Here's the thing

Many Democrats play by the rules. and statutes.
It is absolutely annoying when the fascists do as they like, but either you believe in it or you don't.

[Chin music]

7. I do believe in it. But, when you lose it all bc you are a puritan, what has that done for

the generations to come? We owe them as good or better of a country as we got. That's the promise of America.
HRC said we have to take the gloves off, hold our noses, and fight like they do until we stamp out whatever is going on. THEN go back to being rational adults. (in so many words,...or less.)

[malaise]

8. I fully understand and agree

This has to be stopped

[Chin music]

9. Thanks for the OP.

[benfranklin1776]

36. Yes by all means play by the rules I agree...

But play hardball within the rules. Nadler got subpoena authorization now issue them! And get Mueller to testify or hire him as. Committee counsel whatever it takes!

[Chin music]

47. Committee Counsel sounds like a great idea.

Even if it isn't a thing. MAKE IT SO.

[benfranklin1776]

62. That idea was previously floated by a member of the committee

So they have authorization to hire outside counse; so to assist in the ongoing investigation he’s the most qualified candidate!

[Chin music]

63. Sweet! Thanks for the information.

Hopefully Judge Walton is ready to step up as well. I think we've reached a trip wire, and gone through it. jmho.

[benfranklin1776]

69. Yes that's the real sleeper case the media isn't really covering.

Judge Walton is a no nonsense no BS judge and he’s been around enough to know a coverup when he sees it and given the paucity of justification for hiding significant portions of the report from we the people who paid for it Mr. Barr, the James Okeefe of Attorney Generals, may have labored in vain in his coverup efforts. Not to mention the chairs of judiciary and intel can go to the judge overseeing the grand jury and petition for release of that material to Congress as it’s clearly in the public interest to do so as it was during Watergate. So the legal sledgehammers are there; they just need swung to break down this wall of deliberate obstructive obfuscation.

[Chin music]

70. Good to know the background. He may be our salvation.

Mr Mueller needs some cover. I wish he'd just do a news conference.

[benfranklin1776]

72. In time

When he’s ready, and it will be the mother of all press conferences.

[Chin music]

75. The Judiciary will save us it seems.

[benfranklin1776]

76. Perhaps but we must save ourselves

By demanding the subpoenas be issued and using all other legal options we have discussed. Public pressure is the best salvation in a democracy.

[Chin music]

83. Right there w ya.

[smirkymonkey]

23. Hear, Hear!

I am beyond sick of this shit too. I want to see our Democrats with their claws out. I'm tired of the same old same old.

[Chin music]

27. Ty. I get the feeling that to...

say anything but whatever the party line is everyday, gets you flamed and tossed from this site.
I'm tired of the 'elder" lectures from "high post counts" here, every time an commenter dares be angry at something. As if, we havent been patient enough.

[smirkymonkey]

33. I don't think we are bashing Democrats when we say want them to come out swinging.

When they are bold and brave, they deliver such a shot of energy and hope into the party and I am sure they impress the undecided as well. There is nothing that disappoints our side more than seeing them let the republicans roll right over them without fighting back fiercely. I would say most of us are getting tired of it. We know they are capable of more and we want to see them rise to the occasion.

[Chin music]

35. THAT made me feel good monkey. Ty. It's true. We're best when we fight.

I'm reminded of the national draft. Dems were drafted who were against the war but we went and fought anyway. And we performed, and out-performed the gop on many levels. There are SO many really tough Democrats who have fought for this country, in MANY different forms. We don't choose it, but, when you push me, my family, my friends, and my country, you just pushed me. EXPECT to be confronted.
Good luck to all of us, but, let's drop this sucker in gear. We've done the patience thing. Now it's time to act.
Something in the back of my head tells me that this is the beginning of the NEXT delay of the release we all demand.
Hard to ask for another Blue Wave, when the last one promised hard hitting action without qualifiers. Gotta fulfill promises if we expect to be believed the next time.

[PatrickforO]

25. Fuck 'em. We need to roll over them.

Best roll over them now before it actually comes to need to roll in the tanks.

Because if we don't stop the descent into the fiery hell of fascism, it WILL come to that.

And if it does, those who are unlucky enough to survive need to relentlessly, ruthlessly hunt down the billionaires, and thy them for their parasitical destruction of this world's civilizations.

Yeah, I know what we've got is imperfect, but we have two choices - we can try to reform it and achieve social and economic justice, or we could tear it down brick by brick.

Problem is, if you want to tear it down, what will you put up in its place?

[Still In Wisconsin]

46. I want to stomp on the neck of the Republican Party until it's dead.

Bipartisanism? Fuck that. Give the Repubs as good as we got from them, and more.

[LenaBaby61]

52. "Always the Ds that have to be the 'Ghandis' of American politics ....

SO sick of it. SOOO SO sick of it."



As I'm sure you know & remember, we couldn't investigate war criminals Bush/Cheney either:

"FOR THE GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY."

Our Country is on fire now. We're in danger of becoming the USSA.

For the good of our country, we have to SAVE it at some damn point or we won't HAVE a fucking country worth saving. Rich, white thuglican MALES rolling all over Dems & this country.

NOW IS THE TIME TO FUCKING BREAK GLASS HERE:



Auntie Maxine's speaking truth to damn power on Chris Hayes's show, distancing herself from Nancy officially, calling for impeachment.

[Chin music]

71. Excellent post.

Thank you.
Reclaiming our time!!

[onit2day]

79. With country divided we need Pelosi to stand up for us, for the rule of law

to hold Trump accountable, to show we are a nation of laws and no one is above the law. Each day Pelosi hesitates the more opposition will appear from these Trump toadies. Exposing Trump will ensure his defeat at the polls and if Repub senators fail to convict it will expose them as accomplices. Win-Win but hurry before the SC determines it "will cause irreparable harm to"..Trump and all investigations must cease. Scary. Pelosi's refusal to impeach will end up costing us the House...again I fear.

[MadDAsHell]

10. Besides just being shitty people, I'm not sure what law a press conference would be breaking? nt

[malaise]

12. Huh?

It is part of the obstruction of justice

[MadDAsHell]

14. There's obstruction for sure. But how is holding a press conference obstruction?

That term means something specific. It sounds like you're using it generally.

Not to mention that the investigation is complete and the report is submitted. Unless you're referring to a different investigation, legally there's nothing to obstruct. The investigation is over. That's the whole reason the report was submitted and it's being released tomorrow. You can't obstruct at this point.

People seem to be expecting some legal maneuver from Pelosi that doesn't actually exist.

[NotHardly]

11. Come on Nancy - stop this fucking crucifixion of the Constitution and rule of law.

Where are the brave and honest men and women as we have had in the past... why is this criminal administration being tolerated?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. Let them have their bloviating. Public will know report isn't out. Besides, means Ds get last word.

[watoos]

19. Fuck bashing Democrats,

They have issued 85 subpoenas and more to come.
Mueller refused to go to the press conference because he is preparing for battle.
I am more encouraged now than in a long time.
Stop bashing Democrats.

[murielm99]

20. Maybe you are right.

But please don't pick on malaise.

[watoos]

22. He is the last person I would pick on,

I admire his opinions. He is the only one who saw the importance of the Mueller Tweet that he isn't going to the sham press conference.

I'm sure that trump wanted him to stand in the background and act like a hostage.

[malaise]

24. She/her - I am female

I don't bash Dems

[PatrickforO]

28. Ah, I did not know.

I like your posts. You are a stalwart on here.

[malaise]

32. LOL

[pangaia]

31. :))))))))))))

I was just about to make that correction...

[malaise]

34. hehehehhe

[watoos]

37. I never said you did either.

I have shared your frustration and I am in favor of impeachment as soon as we get more information from the Mueller report or from Mueller.

Female Dems will be the ones to Make America America Again. I have faith in Mueller, he will not let Trump and Barr destroy our rule of law.

I would like to see our Democratic candidates step up and get in this fight.

[snort]

43. Perhaps not a bash

but the occasional kick in the pants may be needed.

[malaise]

44. Ha

[uponit7771]

53. There's nothing false or misleading about the OP statement on impeachment, It's not bashing.

[madaboutharry]

26. All this theater for an innocent man!

Good Effin' Grief is right.

[malaise]

30. That's what I don't get

Which exonerated man behaves like this

[VOX]

58. In a nutshell.

Well put.

[Firestorm49]

29. Fight, damn it!

[Ponietz]

38. It would come as no surprise for Barr to announce indictments of Democratic opponents tomorrow

I say that only half-facetiously.

[malaise]

42. There are no surprises with these mobsters

[Ponietz]

61. This just came up on the wire

[link:https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/17/mueller-report-steele-justice-department-1280578|

I wasn’t far off.

[malaise]

66. More diversion and obfuscation

I'm sick of this shit

[proud patriot]

40. I'm sharing this

[malaise]

41. Cool - Nadler press conference on now

[H2O Man]

45. Recommended.

I understand, appreciate, and share your frustration. At the same time, I believe that William Cullen Bryant was correct in saying that Truth crushed to earth will rise again. In this case, Burr's actions are so openly to protect Trump, that I am fully confident they will backfire. The Truth will start rising by Sunday .... which is a curious coincidence, I suppose. Yet very appropriate.

I haven't been here much in the past week. But I've told one of our DU friends a few things during this time, that I'll share here in the next day or so. (Any OP tonight would sink rapidly by tomorrow morning. Plus, the information relates rather directly with the report.)

[malaise]

48. True re OPs given this madness

I am frustrated but still believe he will be brought down. Truth will out.
Maxine understands what Nancy is trying to do but she still wants impeachment now.

[H2O Man]

49. Right.

Back in January, I said things would heat up in mid-March and it wouldn't be good for Trump ....and that by mid-June, things would take place that are far worse for Trump et al. Despite being off by about 10 days in March, I still think that my June call will prove to be correct.

Barr would not be so willing to absolutely humiliate himself this way if all of this was good news for Trump. Indeed, there would be no need to do anything beyond releasing the report.

[malaise]

51. You've been right on lots of stuff

Ask Roger Stone

[H2O Man]

60. Poor Roger.

Actually, poor Roger's legal team. Have you seen what they've filed? They are already working on his future appeal (Brady, etc), which suggests they know he will be convicted.

[malaise]

55. Enter Judge Walton

This is going to be fun - FOIA

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/16/judge-barr-mistrust-mueller-1278030
<snip>
‘The attorney general has created an environment that has caused a significant part of the public … to be concerned,’ a district court judge said.

By JOSH GERSTEIN 04/16/2019 04:29 PM EDT
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Attorney General William Barr has created public distrust about whether the Justice Department is committed to sharing as much as possible about the Russia probe's findings, a federal judge said on Tuesday.

“The attorney general has created an environment that has caused a significant part of the public … to be concerned about whether or not there is full transparency,” U.S. District Court Judge Reggie Walton said during a hearing Tuesday afternoon on a Freedom of Information Act suit demanding access to a report detailing the findings of special counsel Robert Mueller.

Walton, an appointee of President George W. Bush, did not elaborate on what actions or statements by the attorney general have generated those perceptions.

Democrats and other critics have faulted Barr for adding his own conclusions favorable to President Donald Trump into a letter sent to Congress last month summarizing the top-line findings of the report. In addition, Barr has warned that he plans to make redactions to the report on grounds such as privacy and grand jury secrecy, prompting more complaints.

[H2O Man]

59. Judge Walton is a good man.

I've respected him for years.

[apkhgp]

56. I would really like to do that

Those bastard Right Wingers would never give up their control of the Government.

[spanone]

57. This is stunning. Absolutely stunning.

[forgotmylogin]

73. Barr is getting sound bytes out ahead of schedule.

They want all the clips to be watermarked "no collusion no collusion no collusion" without anyone being able to ask questions because they know the news media will play a Barr clip, most people will hear "no collusion" and go "no collusion" and walk away without hearing the analysis.

[malaise]

74. They will try their spin

but it may turn out to be a top in mud

[saidsimplesimon]

81. Madame Speaker, Pelosi

You take the high road, I'll have your back when it comes to slaying the monster at the polls.