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Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:06 PM

How to get Mueller Report (and underlying evidence) and tax returns -IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS

While the clock is ticking, we are currently and will continue to deal with delay and stall tactics by Barr and are likely to head to court.

Except, If the House authorizes its Judiciary Committee to conduct a formal impeachment inquiry, thus a judicial proceeding, then it can get the Mueller Report, its underlying evidence, and his tax returns.

"One of the exceptions to grand jury secrecy is disclosure “preliminary to or in connection with a judicial proceeding.” To authorize disclosure of the Watergate grand jury information, the special prosecutor’s office argued that the House had authorized its Judiciary Committee to conduct a formal impeachment inquiry and that such an inquiry could be fairly analogized to a “grand jury” investigation and thus a judicial proceeding. Both the district court and the court of appeals agreed, and the Judiciary Committee obtained both the report and the underlying evidence."

(co-authored by Lawrence Tribe, constitutional lawyer at Harvard law)

The full Mueller report could be released — if the House opens preliminary impeachment hearings

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-full-mueller-report-could-be-released--if-the-house-opens-impeachment-hearings/2019/04/08/e47fff42-5a14-11e9-a00e-050dc7b82693_story.html?utm_term=.4c9c080819c2

I can't express my views on the matter more eloquently than our member DontBooVote:
"Impeachment is not a waste of time. It is an opportunity to lay the evidence on the table for all to see. If that evidence shows a conspiracy with russia and/or a case for obstruction of justice, then let every Senator log his/her vote and let the chips fall where they may.

Impeachment is IMPERATIVE for the sake of history and the historical record!

If he is found, by a preponderance of the evidence, to be guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors, and some Senators refuse to impeach, then so be it! We're no further at a loss than we are right now. Because it will be obvious to all, should the evidence show guilt, that the repug senators are to blame for a failure to impeach, not Democrats'.

And if the evidence shows innocence (yea, right! ), then the damage from Democrats from an acquittal will be mitigated by Democratic Senators voting with repugs to acquit leaving Democrats able to righteously claim that, in the end, they were fair to tRump and voted to acquit. "
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12002637


Below, is an excellent article below which is an in-depth analysis of why the House must begin impeachment proceedings:

Impeach Donald Trump
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/impeachment-trump/580468/

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Reply How to get Mueller Report (and underlying evidence) and tax returns -IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS (Original post)
Nevermypresident Apr 2019 OP
unblock Apr 2019 #1
bluestarone Apr 2019 #3
FirstLight Apr 2019 #7
Hortensis Apr 2019 #17
humbled_opinion Apr 2019 #24
srobertss Apr 2019 #20
2naSalit Apr 2019 #6
FirstLight Apr 2019 #9
2naSalit Apr 2019 #11
humbled_opinion Apr 2019 #25
malaise Apr 2019 #2
BSdetect Apr 2019 #4
Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #5
cbdo2007 Apr 2019 #8
2naSalit Apr 2019 #12
erronis Apr 2019 #18
mopinko Apr 2019 #10
2naSalit Apr 2019 #13
bluestarone Apr 2019 #14
BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #22
Ponietz Apr 2019 #15
pdsimdars Apr 2019 #16
Evolve Dammit Apr 2019 #19
BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #21
humbled_opinion Apr 2019 #23
panfluteman Apr 2019 #26
Kurt V. Apr 2019 #27
slumcamper Apr 2019 #28
Ponietz Apr 2019 #29
honest.abe Apr 2019 #30

Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:10 PM

1. just to be clear, all we need to do is hold impeachment hearings.

that's what gets us the special investigative powers.

we don't need to actually impeach him.

just hold the hearings, gather the evidence, and keep laying it out for the public as more and more impeachment hearings.


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Response to unblock (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:14 PM

3. Well if this is true

Why are we fucking around??? Get it done NOW! No more mister nice guys!!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:27 PM

7. Yeah, what the fuck are we waiting for?

Dems are trying to be so "above board" they are getting railroaded in the process... gah!!!

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:17 PM

17. If this one article has the answers, what are you guys

doing here? For heavens' sake, mail or even hand-deliver it to our leaders in the house so they can get on it. What the fuck are you waiting for?

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:48 PM

24. Exactly

We are giving the GOP and their cult enough time to create a false narrative that somehow Trump is the victim and Obama administration sought to undermine his Presidency. ENOUGH !! Strike while the iron is hot, it will definately change the news cycle.

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:25 PM

20. I wonder if they're waiting

for Barr’s redacted version of the Mueller report. I think that’s what I would do since that’s just a few days away, supposedly. After it comes out, we may have a clearer picture of how much evidence they had that they deemed was not enough to “establish” that there was a criminal conspiracy.

If it comes out and they don’t act, I will contact my congressman at that point. Because I think we really need to see his tax returns. It’s worth galvanizing the right over impeachment to gain that info.

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Response to unblock (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:26 PM

6. I hope that's the

strategy being worked out this next week or two since there is a recess coming after tomorrow, for two weeks. I would hope that something would happen prior to that but I'm not holding my breath either, just wishful thinking. It's getting hard to face each day without knowing that this pall exists, darkening the planet, in such an ominous manner and still try to dredge up just one more ounce of optimism about the future.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:28 PM

9. Fuck their recess

How can you take a recess when we have a "state of emergency" anyway?

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:39 PM

11. I agree that

it's a bad time for a recess but they aren't just going home. They go on educational group trips so they know what is really happening around the world during this time. I wish they cold arrange to do those things while in session. I also think that every day is of utmost importance in this moment in our fight to remain a nation and a recess should come at a time when we all need to be paying attention. These nut cases can't be trusted, not for a minute.

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:49 PM

25. We have a pResident

that is explicitly charging the last administration as traitors, what is next a call to lock them all up, when will it be enough !!

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:10 PM

2. ITTMF!!

Now!

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:15 PM

4. DO IT

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:16 PM

5. True. Not only that, but at the end of a House impeachment investigation, a vote is taken whether to

refer to the Senate for an impeachment trial.

So, we have more investigatory power to get ahold of evidence (i.e. Mueller report) and present to the American public, especially via open hearings, before the 2020 election.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:28 PM

8. I'm guessing they are waiting one more year to do this....

Better to have this information out and fresh for the election, vs now which gives them an extra year to spin it.

We know impeachment won't actually go through, but putting all of this bad stuff out there in the months leading up to the election may be a lot more impactful.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:41 PM

12. I think that

there's SO MUCH information that it will still be coming out long after the election, all fresh, if we started releasing it today.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:21 PM

18. Start the proceedings now. The evidence will continue to be collected throughout.

We seem to focus on the perfect world where things happen according to some script.

We're dealing with a group of traitors who will throw any script in the fire and will play every dirty dickie trick they can.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:32 PM

10. impeach barr.

 

y'all dont want to impeach spanky, go ahead and start w barr. gets all the same evidence. convict barr, and you know spanky is toast.

yes, i' dreaming.
always fun to do a little spitballing.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:42 PM

13. Yeah, that's not such a bad idea...nt

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Response to mopinko (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 04:45 PM

14. YES at least start a process that produces something!

Hell AGAIN i say we DON"T even know if Mueller is done or not?

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Response to mopinko (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:28 PM

22. How did they nail A.G. Mitchell during Watergate?

"On February 21, 1975, Mitchell, who was represented by the criminal defense attorney William G. Hundley, was found guilty of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and perjury and sentenced to two and a half to eight years in prison for his role in the Watergate break-in and cover-up, ...".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_N._Mitchell

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:06 PM

15. The Resistance created the Blue Wave

The Resistance wants impeachment and may become hopelessly apathetic if we do not push this to the limits. Besides, the lights are still blinking red—they will do it again in 2020 with even greater impunity if we do not act.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:11 PM

16. and I wish the Democrats would just do it already. All this "threatening" to do things . . . .

 

and then Trump just refuses.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:25 PM

19. Start the process. Enough. He wants to be a dictator. Enough.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:27 PM

21. I heard or read this within the past few days

on MSNBC or CNN. I forget who said it and the context but at the ti e I wondered, "Then what the Hell are we waiting for...DO IT!". Pelosi must know this and for some reason my brain keeps going back to her.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:46 PM

23. Finally an OP

I have been saying this for some time, if you want the entire unredacted report, IMPEACH, and it will be exhibit A.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:04 PM

26. IMPEACH TRUMP NOW!!! IMPEACH TRUMP NOW!!! IMPEACH TRUMP NOW!!! IMPEACH TRUMP NOW!!!

The moment of truth has finally come - heck, Trump and the Republicans have left us no other option than to open impeachment proceedings.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:14 PM

27. K&R. Impeachment proceedings would be carried into American homes that otherwise are apolitical.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 07:07 PM

28. Go for it. Go hard, go bold, take no prisoners. SCORCHED EARTH.

If ever there was a time when the machinery of constitutional government must operate in full force, it is now.

The moment is pregnant with cause--the "fierce urgency of now," to borrow a phrase; our plan of government demands that impeachment proceedings swiftly begin, as the very foundations of government and rule of law face an existential threat unlike any other in our history.

Either enact the plan and save the nation, or let it spiral toward the dustbin of history and join countless other failed states whose trustees lacked the courage or commitment to challenge the course of drift and demise.

In other words, let's roll. Get it on.

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Response to slumcamper (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 08:00 PM

29. This deserves its own OP

Well-stated, slumcamper.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 08:31 PM

30. Yes... we absolutely we must proceed with impeachment.

And it does not matter what the stupid corrupt Senate Republicans will do or will not do. That is not the issue.

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