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vlyons

(10,252 posts)
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:23 PM Mar 2019

I know that there's at least 4 powerful people, who ain't buying the Barr BS

Leader Nancy Pelosi, Chairman Adam Schiff, Chairman Elijah Cummings, and Chairwoman Maxine Waters. And not a single one of those people are afraid of squat.

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I know that there's at least 4 powerful people, who ain't buying the Barr BS (Original Post) vlyons Mar 2019 OP
Chairman Nadler leftynyc Mar 2019 #1
Now we learn that Barr had 3 weeks to get his legal argument in place for him to make the decision riversedge Mar 2019 #2
Barr wrote an opinion piece stating POTUS couldn't obstruct bigbrother05 Mar 2019 #5
Thats because Barr had already preplanned what he was going to summarize regardless onetexan Mar 2019 #6
Hey Trump knew from the start the white wash was put into place. rockfordfile Mar 2019 #21
Just don't let Mueller off the hook for not pursuing the Russian connection. world wide wally Mar 2019 #3
and don't let Mueller off the hook vlyons Mar 2019 #7
Do we KNOW that he didn't? What we know is some twisting from Barr, right? lostnfound Mar 2019 #8
exactly... berksdem Mar 2019 #15
Do we know that Mueller wasn't forced to KPN Mar 2019 #19
Oh please... Callmecrazy Mar 2019 #25
Seriously? KPN Mar 2019 #33
I get it... berksdem Mar 2019 #30
OFFS, who bashed Mueller here? Not me. KPN Mar 2019 #34
And don't assume we have any idea what Mueller really said or did. lagomorph777 Mar 2019 #23
We need to investigate Mueller. Bonx Mar 2019 #26
Looks like there's a disconnect also between Trump base and Trump Kremlin Klan uponit7771 Mar 2019 #4
Ha ha, whoops coti Mar 2019 #11
Just like they didn't like the Merrick Garland stonewall....then we got Gorsuch and Kavanaugh! tableturner Mar 2019 #9
Trump knew all of this before the report came out, that is why did not tweet anything all weekend. Thomas Hurt Mar 2019 #10
Add John Lewis to the list Botany Mar 2019 #12
The timing here is what is important ProudLib72 Mar 2019 #13
+1, even the Mueller report says 100% opposite we're in an uphill battle. uponit7771 Mar 2019 #14
Proving one more time ResistantAmerican17 Mar 2019 #16
If tRump wants to be Russian SCVDem Mar 2019 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2019 #18
They've been fighting for us for 2 years, & hardest of all since we got control of the House... Hekate Mar 2019 #20
Kick... pazzyanne Mar 2019 #22
The reason it seems like Dems aren't fighting against this and everything else BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2019 #24
Sadly, I expect DUers to keep better track of the news, and this is all in all a good place to do so Hekate Mar 2019 #27
Thanks for pointing that out. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2019 #28
Mahalo, Hekate! Cha Mar 2019 #32
And not one of them is giving up. cwydro Mar 2019 #29
Nadler. Schumer. Amaryllis Mar 2019 #31

riversedge

(70,095 posts)
2. Now we learn that Barr had 3 weeks to get his legal argument in place for him to make the decision
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:29 PM
Mar 2019

on obstruction of justice for Trump (instead of Mueller doing it).

Yet, Barr had already determined Trump had not obstructed justice. It is going to be ugly. But as you say, we have strong Democrats to fight the good fight.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
5. Barr wrote an opinion piece stating POTUS couldn't obstruct
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:39 PM
Mar 2019

That was his resume for getting the AG job. This was prewired.

Note the key word in the conspiracy portion, no coordination with the Russian GOVERNMENT was found. Without the underlings linking Trump to Putin, that isn't proven for criminal court.

The House committees will be able to have public testimony making it obvious what happened, that's what brought Nixon down.


onetexan

(13,025 posts)
6. Thats because Barr had already preplanned what he was going to summarize regardless
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:53 PM
Mar 2019

Of outcome. The fool covered up for the Idiot.

world wide wally

(21,739 posts)
3. Just don't let Mueller off the hook for not pursuing the Russian connection.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:38 PM
Mar 2019

That sounds brainless to me.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
7. and don't let Mueller off the hook
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:53 PM
Mar 2019

for not interviewing Trump Jr, Princess Ivanka, and Kushner. Or at least getting their attorneys to publicly invoke the 5th Amendment.

lostnfound

(16,162 posts)
8. Do we KNOW that he didn't? What we know is some twisting from Barr, right?
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:02 PM
Mar 2019

We don’t know anything yet, do we?

berksdem

(595 posts)
15. exactly...
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 02:01 PM
Mar 2019

there is still so much to learn from the ENTIRE report. I think it is in bad taste to bash muellar until we know the entire report. just b/c something did not go the way we had hoped does not mean that due diligence was not performed. Some folks need to take a deep breath...

KPN

(15,638 posts)
19. Do we know that Mueller wasn't forced to
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 02:48 PM
Mar 2019

wrap up his report despite not having interviewed or subpoenaed Kushner, tRump Jr, Ivanka or tRump himself??

Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised by anything at this point. This is a massive scandal with lots at stake (more than most of us could imagine). I wouldn’t be surprised if lives are at stake somewhere in this intrigue.

We need to get to the bottom of it.

Callmecrazy

(3,065 posts)
25. Oh please...
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 03:30 PM
Mar 2019

The report has been released. No collusion was found, thank God.
The investigation was handled professionally. There's nothing there.
LET IT GO. MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIVES.
There are other investigations going on. We'll see what they find in due time.

berksdem

(595 posts)
30. I get it...
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:20 PM
Mar 2019

Any Democrat wants this asshat out of office but I am staying away from the conspiracy theories... Yes, we need to see the full report and then draw conclusions but to bash Muellar when the full report is not available is ridiculous.

We don't have to find the results satisfactory to our wants and wishes. We need to get the fing vote out and get th is clown out of office.

SDNY is still key... Let them investigate until the cows come home but blaming Muellar is really misguided as things stand now.

KPN

(15,638 posts)
34. OFFS, who bashed Mueller here? Not me.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 01:15 PM
Mar 2019

So you don't think Whittaker and/or Barr were pressuring Mueller to wrap things up, eh? That's awfully rusting of the party and people who brought you ... let's see, near normalization of the white supremacist movement, dismantling of ACA, trillion $ tax cuts for gazillionaires, gaslighting the global warming issue, etc,. etc., etc.

Geesh.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
23. And don't assume we have any idea what Mueller really said or did.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 03:13 PM
Mar 2019

We only know what Barr claims Mueller did, and Barr has already demonstrated his dishonesty: first during Iran-Contra, and more recently with his "The President can't commit obstruction" claim.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
4. Looks like there's a disconnect also between Trump base and Trump Kremlin Klan
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:38 PM
Mar 2019

I noticed him there are a lot of trumper's who want to see the whole report also

tableturner

(1,680 posts)
9. Just like they didn't like the Merrick Garland stonewall....then we got Gorsuch and Kavanaugh!
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:04 PM
Mar 2019

Edit for spelling.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
10. Trump knew all of this before the report came out, that is why did not tweet anything all weekend.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:29 PM
Mar 2019

It would have given it away.

Botany

(70,449 posts)
12. Add John Lewis to the list
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:42 PM
Mar 2019

In an exclusive interview with NBC News' "Meet the Press," Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., said he does not believe Donald Trump is a "legitimate president," citing Russian interference in last year’s election.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
13. The timing here is what is important
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:42 PM
Mar 2019

It was necessary for them to get the narrative right at the outset. Now the country knows that Rump didn't do it. Our attorney general has said so. That just steepened the grade for us in this uphill battle.

Response to vlyons (Original post)

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
20. They've been fighting for us for 2 years, & hardest of all since we got control of the House...
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 02:49 PM
Mar 2019

They have not been silent, not for a single day.

While certain people here have never ceased to whine that our warrior Dems are not doing or saying anything -- these 4 and others have battled every damn day.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
24. The reason it seems like Dems aren't fighting against this and everything else
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 03:29 PM
Mar 2019

Is the media the conservatives manipulate and own. It’s why it’s so hard to get any complex facts and correlations across to dumpsters. The media makes it impossible for the side of reality to get a word in edgewise.

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
27. Sadly, I expect DUers to keep better track of the news, and this is all in all a good place to do so
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 03:42 PM
Mar 2019

Unfortunately, there is a very very vocal minority here who have their minds made up that:

1) no media at all is reporting the facts
2) no elected Democrats are speaking out
3) no elected Dems are doing anything of value
4) in a Congress that runs on majority/minority and seniority rules for committee apointments and chairmanships, we should just throw out all of our Dems and start over

Periodically they take a short break. Then they start all over again. This is one of those times.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
28. Thanks for pointing that out.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:11 PM
Mar 2019

The media is poisonous enough—I avoid it. I get my info here, for the most part. I don’t need unrealistic hysteria here!

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