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ck4829

(34,977 posts)
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:53 AM Mar 2019

Worth it!

Last edited Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:46 AM - Edit history (4)

I'm not just on DU, I also edit Wikipedia.

And did you know that there was not even a category on white nationalist terrorism until yesterday? The thing that Trump tells America to go to sleep over? I made it, oh and I populated it... it was ugly, and it reveals some ugly truths. My personal policy is I don't get into edit wars, if people want to remove pages from categories I put them in, they can do it and I won't stop them.

Apparently that personal policy wasn't enough to protect me as I was put in editing jail for a while for my 'radical' and 'disruptive' editing.

I like impressing people, I have always done what my parents say, I try to be a good role model, if my bosses say jump, I ask 'how high?' I don't disobey or get in trouble, I've never even been arrested before, but this...

It strangely feels good, it was worth it. I'm actually smiling as I'm looking over the notice that I've been blocked.

The category is still up by the way:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:White_nationalist_terrorism

If you edit Wikipedia yourself or want to, please help protect this category in the event that someone, some group of people, or an organization tries to delete it entirely or tries to do it through pretty much deleting everything in there. Wikipedia IS a resource, pretty much a public good on the internet. Also if you genuinely find examples of white nationalist terrorism, terrorists, terrorist groups, symbols and propaganda, I know I missed things, please add them.

This was a better use of my time than being angry at you all, so if you can help me out, it would be great.

... but don't be afraid to get in trouble every once in a while. We're going to need more troublemakers if we're going to defeat this poison.

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Worth it! (Original Post) ck4829 Mar 2019 OP
Bravo! You did a great job and great service with that page. Vinca Mar 2019 #1
Keep the faith. Progress comes from brave people making small, but important, steps. TreasonousBastard Mar 2019 #2
That list is comprehensive mercuryblues Mar 2019 #3
And thank you ck4829 Mar 2019 #5
It is a volitile topic mercuryblues Mar 2019 #6
Now that the category exists, it could happen ck4829 Mar 2019 #7
You completely rock!!! Well done! Thank you for your service. nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2019 #4
Sooo worth it. progressoid Mar 2019 #8
Your are awesome... N_E_1 for Tennis Mar 2019 #9
Thank you! Ponietz Mar 2019 #10
It's not presuming too much at all. Thank you. ck4829 Mar 2019 #11
Infrastructure Roy Rolling Mar 2019 #12
Bravo ! Just starting to dig into it. Prodigious effort! FailureToCommunicate Mar 2019 #13
Thank you uponit7771 Mar 2019 #14
OMG! you created and populated that whole topic? What an amazing job! Fla Dem Mar 2019 #15
Thanks, but now I am just watching as things get removed and can't do anything about it ck4829 Mar 2019 #16
At least the link still works. WinstonSmith4740 Mar 2019 #47
Thanks, the videos have indeed brightened my day ck4829 Mar 2019 #49
Pathetic wikinazis sandensea Mar 2019 #17
*Snicker* ck4829 Mar 2019 #18
I hear you. sandensea Mar 2019 #32
How can we help preserve it? rainin Mar 2019 #19
OK... ck4829 Mar 2019 #22
Thanks, CK-it does help! B Stieg Mar 2019 #48
Great work malaise Mar 2019 #20
Beautifully done! majdrfrtim Mar 2019 #21
Thank you Sunsky Mar 2019 #23
Good job! FakeNoose Mar 2019 #24
Aaaand it's begun, some SOB just vandalized it ck4829 Mar 2019 #28
This is a legitimate "front" in the war between truth and... B Stieg Mar 2019 #25
Congratulations! Geechie Mar 2019 #26
Thank you everybody for your kind words ck4829 Mar 2019 #27
Brilliant, ck4829... hwmnbn Mar 2019 #29
K&R. I gave this thread a shout-out in the TOONs post. JHB Mar 2019 #30
Oh wow, thank you. ck4829 Mar 2019 #34
Bless you for doing this. I am in awe of the effort you've taken... Hekate Mar 2019 #31
It's wonderful! So much information! Maraya1969 Mar 2019 #33
Bravo! Thank You for Your Effort in Creating this Much-Needed Information on Wikipedia dlk Mar 2019 #35
What an incredible amount of work that must have been! BobTheSubgenius Mar 2019 #36
You're a true patriot. JudyM Mar 2019 #37
Bookmarking this. Thanks sagesnow Mar 2019 #38
Get the name of David Niewert's new book in there Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #39
Second this cp Mar 2019 #40
thanks for the recommendation....just ordered it nt Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #45
K & R for visibility Lifelong Protester Mar 2019 #41
Thank you. Important work you did. zentrum Mar 2019 #42
ck4829.... magicarpet Mar 2019 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Cetacea Mar 2019 #44
that's a bunch of work! Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2019 #46
Seriously? Down to 6 pages now! ck4829 Mar 2019 #50
It's gone... Unca Jim Mar 2019 #51
And I'm still blocked! So I can not contest it at all. What a sick joke! ck4829 Mar 2019 #52
Is there any way to get some of the links to work from the Right-Wing Terrorism page? ArizonaLib Mar 2019 #53
I don't know, I'll have to look into it later ck4829 Mar 2019 #54
Keep on fighting the good fight ArizonaLib Mar 2019 #55

mercuryblues

(14,491 posts)
3. That list is comprehensive
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:11 AM
Mar 2019

But it needed to be done. It took some time and serious effort. I can't imagine the amount of light being sucked out of your soul by delving into the hate.

A big thank you. Can you do me a favor? Go watch a thousand cute dog and cat videos. Get some joy back into your heart.

ck4829

(34,977 posts)
5. And thank you
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:23 AM
Mar 2019

It was indeed incredibly draining to the soul, there were more awful examples that other editors reverted, each one was like a punch to the gut... like the victims... their lives, bodies, minds, souls, spirits didn't matter. It was like that debate over the video of filmed deaths in Christchurch all over again. But I kept my no edit war policy in place. And I just found out someone took out the The Turner Diaries, a racist book found in the personal effects of too many terrorists... another punch right there.

I'm actually a white guy and so on top of it all, seeing these scumbags and pieces of filth try to associate with me via skin color, it's revolting in it's own special way for me. I wish there was a way to take a social connection/social capital shower to clean myself of them.

I have a tab open, I'm going to look at those cute videos, thank you.

mercuryblues

(14,491 posts)
6. It is a volitile topic
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:34 AM
Mar 2019

For those that want to protect their perceived superiority status. You will soon find out who the racists are on that site, they will attack you, when they can't attack the content.

From my understanding anyone can edit Wiki, perhaps another editor will look and say...hmm the Turner Diaries need to be here and put it back in.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,593 posts)
9. Your are awesome...
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:43 AM
Mar 2019

Sir,
In my eyes you are the definition of a true Democrat. Your anger could have been directed in any manner of negative ways. Your choice of positivity and commitment to the common good is the defining moment.
Thank you

Roy Rolling

(6,853 posts)
12. Infrastructure
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:50 AM
Mar 2019

Thanks for the work. We are in World War 3--- the Information War. Like POWs of a real war, miscreant information must be captured and segregated into a negatively-branded category ("white nationalist terrorism" ) where it belongs.

Now we need a White National Terrorist Idols page for the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh.

Again, great work fighting the battle in the trenches that nobody sees.

Fla Dem

(23,352 posts)
15. OMG! you created and populated that whole topic? What an amazing job!
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:09 AM
Mar 2019

The amount of work that must have gone into this project it mind boggling. I am in awe.

ck4829

(34,977 posts)
16. Thanks, but now I am just watching as things get removed and can't do anything about it
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:20 AM
Mar 2019

'Alt-Right' and 'Slavery in the United States' removed as sub-categories.

God...

WinstonSmith4740

(3,048 posts)
47. At least the link still works.
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 10:58 PM
Mar 2019

Braced myself and went to Daily Stormer, and where you defined them as "alt right", the link worked. So the page is still there, I guess the shortcut isn't.

Awesome work. Go watch the kittens and puppies...you earned it.

ck4829

(34,977 posts)
18. *Snicker*
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:46 AM
Mar 2019

I'm seeing things get reverted and not even seeing a reason why.

It's clear I'm making people pee a little in their pants.

I will have to put lots of things back in... but over a long period of time.

I should probably just close my tab on Wikipedia, there's nothing I can do.

sandensea

(21,530 posts)
32. I hear you.
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 12:59 PM
Mar 2019

Your good work lives on.

You know, I had a similar experience a few years ago.

The minute you start questioning the PNAC line, the harpies and flying monkeys appear out of nowhere, as if on cue.

Oh, well. They've got to make their living somehow; God knows they can't do anything else.

ck4829

(34,977 posts)
22. OK...
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 10:04 AM
Mar 2019

If you're not a member of Wikipedia, join it, if you're already on the internet, you can join it, doesn't cost a thing.

1. This category is safe... for right now. It just can't be deleted, there has to be a process and a discussion in order to delete it at this point. Watch the category, check it regularly, check the talk page. If it's nominated for the deletion process, we need to get in there and say 'Keep' and why. I strongly suspect that this could happen seeing as what's already been done.

2. This category doesn't mean anything if it doesn't have articles and subcategories. It needs listed terrorist organizations, members, attacks, symbols, propaganda, victims, etc. If something is big enough, it will have a subcategory at the top, 'Ku Klux Klan' right now or 'Slavery in the United States' until a little bit ago .

3. This category also needs to be a presence in itself, as in it needs to be a subcategory of other categories, you can see that at the bottom. Good way to describe where, when, what, it is. I should have added 'Terrorism in Norway' for example, but I needed to get some sleep and now I can't for a while.

I think that's everything, I hope that helps.

FakeNoose

(32,356 posts)
24. Good job!
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 10:11 AM
Mar 2019

This is an important topic and the nutjobs will try to ratf*ck it if they can. But the important thing is to get the topic started and others will contribute new info as it becomes available.



ck4829

(34,977 posts)
28. Aaaand it's begun, some SOB just vandalized it
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 11:22 AM
Mar 2019

Another editor, not me, made a perfect intro to the category page and someone came on there and ruined it with the whole "But this this isn't white nationalism, it's white supremacy" line... and I have to watch it and can't do anything.

I need to watch a movie or something.

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
25. This is a legitimate "front" in the war between truth and...
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 10:28 AM
Mar 2019

whatever the hell the tRumpsters and Conservatives are arguing as "alternate facts."
I'm going to take a look at editing the Wiki, too. This is (obviously) a primary place of "public pedagogy."
Thanks, ck!

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
31. Bless you for doing this. I am in awe of the effort you've taken...
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 12:42 PM
Mar 2019

I use Wiki, like everyone else on the planet by now, but don't know that much about its operations. I remember reading, years and years ago, that for an operation that was essentially crowd-sourced (and this was so long ago I don't think the author used the phrase) Wikipedia on the whole ended up being as accurate as the Encyclopedia Brittanica.

For someone like me, raised in a household with the Encylopedia Brittanica bookcase weighing down the floorboards, that was about the highest praise possible.

So thank you for doing what you do. Especially on this topic.

dlk

(11,438 posts)
35. Bravo! Thank You for Your Effort in Creating this Much-Needed Information on Wikipedia
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 01:26 PM
Mar 2019

There should be dozens of Wikipedia pages for white nationalist terrorist groups. They are arguably the largest threat to our democracy and shining the light of day to out them is sorely needed.

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
37. You're a true patriot.
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 02:37 PM
Mar 2019

Exactly what we need... an education as an alternative to faux news.

Bravo, ck!

Grasswire2

(13,564 posts)
39. Get the name of David Niewert's new book in there
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 03:14 PM
Mar 2019

Many of us old-time netizens knew him on message boards. He's an expert on White Nationalism, lives in Seattle. He has a new book.

Seattle journalist and author David Neiwert has long tracked America’s far right and continues to do so for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups. In his new book, Alt-America: The Rise of the Radical Right in the Age of Trump (Verso, $29.95), he traces the trends that are bringing us this revival of hate, intolerance and anti-democratic ideology.

Response to ck4829 (Original post)

ck4829

(34,977 posts)
52. And I'm still blocked! So I can not contest it at all. What a sick joke!
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 12:12 PM
Mar 2019

Some people REALLY don’t want to talk about this

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
53. Is there any way to get some of the links to work from the Right-Wing Terrorism page?
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 04:10 PM
Mar 2019

That whole bunch has been embarrassed by themselves ever since the first KKK member ripped holes into his pillow case.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
55. Keep on fighting the good fight
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 04:43 PM
Mar 2019

Solidarity!!!

Thanks again (you can't be thanked enough) for putting the time and effort into it!

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