Judge Ellis also wants Manafort to get credit for 9 mos. served in jail already.

[Honeycombe8]

34 min ago
Judge gives Manafort credit for time he's been in jail
From CNN's Katelyn Polantz

Judge TS Ellis gave Paul Manafort credit for the nine months he's spent in jail, after a different judge revoked his bond last June.

"I want him to receive credit for nine months," Ellis said at the end of the hearing.

If that happens, Manafort's time in prison from now on would total a little more than three years.

Why that matters: There is another judge who will sentence Manafort next week, and has some latitude to decide how the two sentences from Ellis and from her court fit together.

If Manafort has maintained good behavior while in jail, he could be released early as well. Defendants often don't serve the full amount of time they're given by a federal judge.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/paul-manafort-sentencing/index.html

Looks like he could end up serving less than 2.5 years (3.7 yrs - 9mos - 5 mos good behavior).

There really are two Americas, seems like. Such little time for defrauding banks and the government, and lying to investigators (which cost the govt millions in extra time spent and lost time on other matters), done over a period of years.

[Chin music]

1. Papdopoulus got two weeks.

[Honeycombe8]

2. Because he flipped and was given time for only one thing.

maybe lying to investigators?

There was a man in Great Britain, married to a woman who is the daughter of a Russian Oligarch. He was convicted of lying and got 30 days.

Pappadopoulus flipped early on. As his gf said, "He might end up being like John Dean." Papp. knew he wasn't a big enough fish for Trump to pardon. But Manafort is.

[Chin music]

5. 2 weeks? what exactly has he given up?

i see. So, comparative justice....or something? This is America, not Britain. Point is, we had a few clues this manafort thing was going to be bad. And we now have even more reason to be disturbed the mueller report is still taking so long. We should insist on more diligence. Enough is enough. Justice delayed, is justice denied.

[Honeycombe8]

10. The fake Benghazi hearings & investigation - 2 years. Watergate - 2 yrs.

Many instances of obstruction of justice, Russian interference into our election system and democracy, plus related investigations turned over to other jurisdictions - 2 years.

This investigation is far more complex than anything the country has had to do. We are at the 2 year mark. But Mueller took over later than that, so he hasn't been doing it for the whole time. The Mueller team has worked with surprising speed, resulting in over 35 indictments...each indictment containing many crimes.

It looks like it's wrapping up.

The House of Rep's will be investigation tax evasion, other types of fraud, perjury, and other things. Mainly because the Republicans didn't do their job in 2017 and 2018 when they were supposed to conduct an investigation.

Part of what complicates things is that the crimes are continuing. Trump's obstruction of justice acts have continued.

And witnesses are continuing to lie and obstruct. Refuse to produce documents, requiring the obtaining of subpoenas, etc.

I do wish it would conclude. But even when it does, there will be a fight over whether the American people get to see the report. The W.H. and A.G. will not release the report. It seems they will prepare their own "summary" of what they think is important, and release that. In other words, a doctored, false report.

[Hoyt]

3. Manafort does have to make restitution of $24.8 million and crimes related to trump are yet

to have the sentence imposed.

[Honeycombe8]

4. Yes. I think that sentencing is next week? It's in the quote I incl. in my OP.

The reason Judge Ellis made the "time served" comment is so that the Judge next week will hopefully take that into consideration, when he sentences Manafort and tries to join the two prison sentences, taking everything into account.

But the sentence today is indeed for defrauding banks and the govt over a period of time, and lying to investigators after he'd supposedly struck a plea deal. I don't know if the jury tampering was included today. I think so.

Two Americas.

[bluestarone]

6. If pardoned does the pardon effect the restitution? (24.8 million)

[Hoyt]

9. I would hope not, but I don't think trump will risk the backlash from pardoning Manafort.

But who knows with that "dementiated" buffoon.

[Honeycombe8]

15. Has backlash ever stopped him? When asked before if he'd pardon Manafort,

he said he wouldn't rule it out. That Manafort's a fine man.

Sounds like a pardon to me. And since Manafort didn't flip, I would think he has been promised a thing or two.

[Honeycombe8]

11. I doubt it, but who knows. But it's the money he stole. Not a fine.

So I doubt the Court next week can rescind that, even it wanted to. It may be mandatory.

The prosecution argued for a fine on top of that, but the Judge said no.

[bluestarone]

14. WOW No fine!

JUSTICE not served!! What a judge!

[Marcuse]

7. Manafort probably had never been arrested. He now has a felony record for his DC sentencing.

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8. He'll be welcomed in Russia as a hero.

He'd be a fool to stay in America after he gets out. Felony record? Clearly he doesnt give two shits. Not like he's going to vote or look for a factory job.

[Honeycombe8]

12. He might die before he gets out. There's next week's sentencing.

Hopefully it will add more time.

Manafort isn't old, but he doesn't seem healthy. So he may kick the bucket sooner than his full life expectancy.

[Chin music]

17. Lordy I hope you're right.

[Honeycombe8]

16. Depends if Russia allows entry to people with criminal records.

Of course, w/his clout, that may not matter.

It may stop him from traveling to some other countries.

He's still very rich. He can retire in comfort somewhere. Go yachting, have exclusive dinner parties, wear ostrich jackets again.

[PoliticAverse]

13. You should get "credit" for time spent awaiting trial in jail upon sentencing. n/t

[Honeycombe8]

20. It's also standard for the judge to sentence according to sentencing guidelines.

But he threw that out the window.

[Kaleva]

18. It's pretty much standard procedure to get credit for time served.

[Honeycombe8]

21. It's standard procedure to sentence according to the sentencing guidelines for the crime.

[Kaleva]

22. Which really doesn't apply to what the OP is saying.

[Honeycombe8]

23. I wasn't responding to the OP.

I was responding to your response.

[Kaleva]

24. Your post doesn't apply to what I said either.

What you posted is called a "distraction".

https://hebrew4christians.com/Clear_Thinking/Informal_Fallacies/Tricks/tricks.html

What you said doesn't rebutt my comment. It doesn't even an attempt to.

[dalton99a]

19. Too bad the judge couldn't take Manafort to Hooters for a hamburger and drinks

before pronouncing sentence