AOC responds to the accusation she threatened primaries

[manor321]

Again, didn’t threaten a primary.

I was upset that 26 Dems forced the other 200+ to vote for a pro-ICE provision at the last min without warning.

Because I think an agency that pins children down + forcibly injects them w/ antipsychotic drugs shouldn’t be given more power.

Link to tweet

Remainder of thread:

“At [DHS immigrant detention] facility, children recounted being held down for forcible injections, which medical records show are powerful antipsychotics and sedatives.”

What I DID say was that I had to go back to my district & share the MTR vote to explain why a pro-ICE amendment was slipped into a gun safety law.

Maybe they’re mad bc I don’t believe pro-ICE expansion votes should be cast in the dark, and people deserve to know what happened.

#MomsDemand & #MarchForOurLives activists, who flew in from across the country, were watching from the gallery, crying + confused.

I ran up to them *during the vote* and explained that the gotcha amendment pinned gun safety against immigration advocacy. Its intent was to divide.

If you’re mad that I think people SHOULD KNOW when Dems vote to expand ICE powers, then be mad.

ICE is a dangerous agency with 0 accountability, widespread reporting of rape, abuse of power, + children dying in DHS custody.

Having a D next to your name doesn’t make that right.

Mind you, the same small splinter group of Dems that tried to deny Pelosi the speakership, fund the wall during the shutdown when the public didn’t want it, & are now voting in surprise ICE amendments to gun safety legislation are being called the “moderate wing” of the party.

We can have ideological differences and that’s fine. But these tactics allow a small group to force the other 200+ members into actions that the majority disagree with. I don’t think that’s right, and said as much in a closed door meeting.

[ck4829]

1. K&R

[Baitball Blogger]

2. She is amazing.

Those moderates are DINOs.

[workinclasszero]

6. She is amazing

She is rocking the boats of the contented and they don't like it.

It's called leadership for a new generation of democrats and I welcome it!

[earthshine]

27. She is amazing!

And a great politician, too.

[Autumn]

3. I got no problem with her making a list. I have a list myself.

Those people need to know that there will be repercussions for their actions. If you vote to deny Pelosi the speakership, to fund Trumps wall during the shutdown when the public didn’t want it, if you're voting to put in surprise ICE amendments to gun safety legislation giving ICE more power then you should be on a list to be replaced.

[Lonestarblue]

15. Amen, and yes!

It’s obvious that some Democrats who haven’t had an interesting idea for meaningful change for real people feel threatened by AOC and the new progressives. Some of them are from more conservative districts, like Manchin, and don’t want to rock the boat, but they can still reflect their constituency without attacking those from more progressive districts. Democrats attacking Democrats is a bad move and needs to be called out.

[Blue_true]

61. Has the list of those Dems been published somewhere?

We need to know who they are.

[calimary]

67. Kurt Schrader's one. The one contrary Oregon Dem.

He’s often the one who doesn’t join DeFasio, Blumenauer, and Bonamici when it’s time to vote. Unfortunately he’s my Congressman now.




I miss Ted Lieu...

[Blue_true]

69. What is your current district like in terms of politics?

Moderate?, Progressive?, Right?

[calimary]

70. Supposedly Clackamas County leans a little to the right.

But MAN do we have a great Indivisible group here. Actually quite a few of them in the general Portland area. Ours is WAY active. A bunch of them are on the way to the Portland Womxn’s March this afternoon. I’m reluctantly staying home with a cold that seems to love me too much to leave me.

Last November I saw way too many Knute Bueler signs (supposedly a moderate “R”) around my area. But Governor Kate Brown prevailed. I’m just getting to know the lay of the land up here - we moved up from L.A. early last year. It appears we’ve got four Congressional districts that are small, geographically but loaded with people and true blue, and one very large, less populated district covering most of eastern Oregon, that’s red. I’m in the 5th district now.

I’m spoiled as hell. In L.A. we lived in the 33rd Congressional district with the glorious Ted Lieu as our Rep. Now I’m stuck with somewhat of a DINO (Schrader). But I LOVE this Indivisible group up here. They’re small but scrappy, and it’s just fabulous working with the activists in it. They’re really committed and they’re quite active.

[Blue_true]

71. Keep working to change your district.

I do business with two Oregon based companies, both have roots in agriculture there. I don't buy agricultural products from the first company, more like hard to get natural oils. But the second, I buy agricultural products for personal use. Both companies have a liberal social and political outlook. So, even in rural counties, there maybe farmers there are who will move there who are progressive, the old loggers and orchard owners were not, there are likely some of them around, but they are likely being replaced. You have a more conservative Dem now, but in one or two election cycles, you will likely have a more progressive Dem.

[Stellar]

4. I personally think that they should be primaried!

"Because I think an agency that pins children down + forcibly injects them w/ antipsychotic drugs shouldn’t be given more power."

[manor321]

5. Me too. :)

[malaise]

7. Fresh air and fresh thinking

Go AOC!

[PSPS]

8. Remember that this ridicule is coming from the "Problem Solvers Caucus"

The "Problem Solvers Caucus," like the "No Labels movement," is just another avenue for the GOP/republicans to promote their criminal agenda.

[Wounded Bear]

9. This is something Ms AOC will have to learn to deal with...

It is a time worn, age old tactic to hide poison pills in legislation to force members to make difficult decisions. Plus, of course, media types will inflate those things and use it to attack legislators.

It's not new. It has been done in every Congress since the beginning, and since the SC shot down the line item veto, there isn't much that can be done about it.

AOC seems to be weathering this storm, but it will happen again. Bet on it.

[onetexan]

10. these poison pills should not be allowed to be attached to any legislation - PERIOD

[Wounded Bear]

11. Well, yeah, but we live in a reality based world...

AOC got tripped up a bit with this. It happens to all people who work in Congress. And like the old saying goes, "If you're explaining, you're losing."

AOC is a smart young woman. She'll be fine.

[PatrickforO]

14. I'd like to see us all call these legislators who actually introduce

such poison pill legislation, tweet about it and otherwise get it out there. Expose it to light. Make the authors of this stuff answer in public for it.

It is so very ironic that Trump went in saying he wanted to 'clean the swamp,' but his people pretty much ARE the swamp.

The real people who will be cleaning up said 'swamp' are AOC and the other newly elected Dems.

The good thing here: AOC doesn't care if she only serves one term. She is dedicated to to doing the RIGHT THING, not the thing that will get her reelected. If we had more people who have AOC's courage, we'd all be better off.

[HootieMcBoob]

25. The poison pill would not have been in

If it hadn’t been for a small number of Dems voting yes on the motion to recommit. That is what she is upset about and it’s what Speaker Pelosi is upset about. It did not have to be in there.

It doesn’t have anything to do with a line item veto. That would have been for the executive branch.

This is the fault of a small group of Democrats voting for the MTR.

[stuffmatters]

55. Exactly. These MTR Democrats are anti Pelosi, anti power of our United Democratic House

There is nothing "problem solving" about them. They are shit stirrers and weaken our caucus. Charles Pierce wrote about Dem's MTR sabotage history yesterday, aiding and abetting Republicans against our message. These 26 just did it again!

[Susan Calvin]

49. She *is* dealing with it!

And I say "WAHOOOOOOOO!"

[Augiedog]

12. She rocks. She scares the hell out of repukes. She calls out phoney Dems. Rock on AOC!

[PatrickforO]

13. Truth. AOC is a breath of fresh air.

These poison pills are often put in laws and then when primary time comes, the opponent says, "Oh, why did you vote blah, blah, blah?" while full well knowing why.

AOC is now leaving a Twitter trail of WHY she did not vote for this.

The more light that is cast on people who insert these poison pill amendments to legislation, the better.

See, instead of calling AOC to account for voting AGAINST legislation because of such an amendment, perhaps we should find out who put that amendment into that legislation and hold them to account with some pointed questions and some publicity around their act.

[Traildogbob]

23. 💨

More then a breath of fresh air, she is that powerful steady 30mph wind that blows in behind an Artic Front heading Deep South in late winter, esrly Spring. Go AOC! Blow the stench stagnation of GOP hot BS air out to sea to disperse into oblivion.

[FreepFryer]

16. Anyone have a link to the list of 26? Curious who is among them.

[Celerity]

30. here are the 26

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll098.xml




These 26 House Democrats Just Joined Republicans in Putting Immigrants at Risk

https://millennialpolitics.co/democrats-joined-republicans-putting-immigrants-at-risk/

[FreepFryer]

33. Max Rose again. This is getting predictable. (n/t)

[Blue_true]

62. Some surprising names there.

At least one Hispanic-American, an Anerican Indian, a first generation immigrant of Vietnamese heritage. Very disappointing. Notice Tim Ryan and Seth Moulton were not among the yes votes.

[LovingA2andMI]

64. These are Democrats on this "list" that flipped REPUBLICAN seats....

Elissa Slotkin (MI-08) --- Flipped in 2018
Abby Finkenauer )(A-01) -- Flipped in 2016
Conor Lamb (PA-18) -- Flipped in 2017 - Special Election
Abigail Splanberger - (VA-07) Flipped in 2018
Antonio Delgado (NY-19) -- Flipped in 2018
Xochitl Torres Small (NM-02) -- Flipped in 2018
Stephanie Murphy (FL-07) -- Flipped in 2016
Ben McAdams - (UT-04) -- Flipped in 2018

That's at least eight - could be more that definitely would have been strong REPUBLICAN votes, who as DEMOCRATS won in purple districts, that forced this vote.

#FYI - Be careful what one wishes for unless the Democratic House majority wants to become the Left Wing Tea Party of 2019.

[Horizens]

17. Censored

I've been censored here before for writing my opinion of AOC. I do think I'm allowed to write the following.

No mistake about it, she threatened to primary members for not voting as she wanted. AOC and groups she supports have been clear re their intension to primary party office holders.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

24. And? Why is that a problem?

Primaries are there for a reason. If a district thinks someone will represent them better, why should be they be allowed that choice? Or are you arguing that once you win a position, you should never, ever be challenged no matter what?

[FreepFryer]

34. Well said, esp w the tactics of this hapless bloc of DINOs. They will be held accountable. (nt)

[Horizens]

51. It's a Problem

If someone wants to challenge an incumbent, fine, but excepting for an extreme situation the Party shouldn't back them.

It's a Problem Because

1. It's time, energy and dollars that should be spent targeting and organizing against Republicans. 2. It jeopardizes
maintaining a majority in the House. 3. It divides the Party and is seen as an autocratic over reach throughout the electorate.

It also gets way out of hand:

AOC’s “hit list” now includes two popular, progressive house Dems for truly trumpian reasons. Kathleen Hunter (D-NY) is being targeted for not being charismatic enough. Hakeen Jeffries (D-NY) is being targeted for having the audacity to oppose AOC on a procedural vote.

[appal_jack]

18. The same could be said about gun control overall.

Additional gun control policies require expanded powers by the ATF, "an agency that pins children down" when they are in the path of its enforcement, and is similar to ICE in many other ways.

ICE and the ATF work together routinely, and Ocasio Cortez's idea that one is evil and out of control, while the other deserves more power in the name of "safety" is, frankly, absurd.

See, for example:

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-atf-prpd-arrest-22-firearms-trafficking

&

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/budget/2009/07/atf-ice-sign-mou-on-border-protection/

I encourage all Democrats, Ocasio Cortez included, to quit pushing more state powers in the name of gun control (which is quite different from actual safety) at a time when firearm deaths remain historically low, but economic inequality and related matters of health, housing, and environmental quality are at their worst crises ever.

-app

[DVRacer]

45. Yes!!

You have managed to help me clarify my thoughts on this. In a time where law enforcement and all Three Letter Agency’s are pushing the boundaries between abuse of power and enforcement it is not the time to add power to them. If we in the name of safety grant more authority to them who do you think they will use it on? They are not going to harass me a middle age white guy about my firearms at all they will however use it in ways we can’t imagine against any minority. I’m worried new gun control legislation will be turned into Jim Crow era enforcement and get minority’s killed.

Recently here in Oklahoma me and a friend of mine where walking out of a Quick-Trip he is black, I am white both of us are prior military and both of us were armed and have permits to carry. We were slightly staggered coming out me out first. We walked past a cop I didn’t even notice him but I heard behind me as Steven gets asked “hey I need to see your permit for that” as I turned around I see the cop with his hand on his gun stopping Steven. I asked mine too? Cop asked next “are you with him?” I said sure am and we both have our licenses. I guess that was enough because the cop said,”well just know that’s printing a lot” as he points at Stevens side. Steven says “I will work on it” and we walked away. Now keep in mind here we are allowed both open and concealed carry so whether or not it’s visible doesn’t matter. Minority’s with gun = contact with law enforcement, White guy with gun = have a nice day.

[Blue_true]

63. I think you are purposely conflating two vastly different objectives.

Keeping guns out of the wrong hands will make ALL of us safer. Sedating children for unknown reasons and in poorly monitored situations will not make us safer in fact, it hurts us.

[Raster]

19. Boom!!! Fresh Air in Congress...

... what a novel concept.

[Evolve Dammit]

21. A refreshing breeze indeed. Long overdue and much needed

[ewagner]

20. Poison pills and blackmail.

Welcome to Congress in 2019!

There is no such thing as ideological purity in this body.

[Susan Calvin]

50. Of course there (in large part) isn't.

But I want to be privy to who did what.

[moonseller66]

22. Pavlov's media

rang the bell and less informed Democrats answered, again, without checking facts.

[Midnight Writer]

68. Without the media, none of us would know anything about this bill or it's attendant drama.

And, when the facts come out, it will be through the media.

[SCVDem]

26. Dear AOC

You made it!

Welcome to Hillary's world!

And Elizabeth and Nancy and every other strong female DEMOCRATS!

Repubs hate it when we are strong and speak out!

Carry on!

[KPN]

28. K&R. Go get 'em AOC!

[wendyb-NC]

29. She's brilliant. I love her enthusiasm in putting the people first.

I always wondered about the write in clauses to what seems to often be unrelated legislation. Why use such underhanded tactics.

[Mr.Bill]

36. My guess is that Democrats voted for that ammendment

thinking it could increase the chance that the background check bill will at least get a vote in the Senate. Without it that gun regulation bill is headed straight for Mitch McConnell's shredder.

Maybe it shouldn't, but this kind of stuff goes on in Congress all the time.

[Celerity]

31. David Rutz is a RW operative who is the managing editor for the far right Washington Free Beacon rag

classic RW shit-stirrer and bottom-feeder

https://freebeacon.com/author/rutz/

[Buckeye_Democrat]

32. I love AOC!

She's currently my favorite politician!

I doubt that she could ever win a national election in this country, but I applaud her ideas and her courage!

She also makes it obvious what REALLY raises the dander of the Republican propaganda machine.... challenges to the super-wealthy! They'll probably try to portray her as a "Puerto Rican Supremacist" at some point, or maybe an actual witch. Alex Jones' audience might fall for the latter accusation.

[Celerity]

35. [phone]

[defacto7]

37. I'm coming around more all the time as I learn more about AOC

To think she was caught unaware by this age old tactic is underestimating her. I think she knows exactly how the system of attaching amendments to legislation works. In that case what she is saying is that it shouldn't be that way. In a perfect world I would agree. But being able to function or even survive in our present system is a very different thing. If she and others are able to crack the system without losing the battle liberal and progressive Democrats fight for then more power to her.

It's a game. I hate the game. The game should die. But negotiation with extreme ideologies who have just as much intent as we do makes a game out of it. I hope she wins.

[Susan Calvin]

52. I just appreciate the light being shed. nt

[AlexSFCA]

38. love her

I hope congress never changes her. I wish every democrat was like her.

[Celerity]

39. so so so agree

She gives me hope on a future-forward event horizon.

[LiberalLovinLug]

40. The whole "moderate" tag used as cover by ConservaDems is disengenuous and they should just stop

If you are a more right of center Democrat, then stand by it. If you still believe in trickle down economics, and fund your campaigns from corporations that want you to promote that, at least admit it and stop pretending that you are "moderate". But when this conservative minority has a strangle hold on the majority of Democrats, something is wrong.

I wonder how the Sanders haters will react to this. She is a Democrat, officially, so does she get to criticize things in her own party?

For some I guess the party is perfect and just can't be improved upon or evolve. That or "this is not the right time" mantra takes effect, like Republicans with gun control. Which basically amounts to the same state of paralysis.

[melman]

41. "I wonder how the Sanders haters will react to this"

The other thread on this has a few of them raging pretty hard. Hinting at dark conspiracies, making up quotes...etc.

[AlexSFCA]

46. All AOC proposals are common sense, they are quite moderate

all things considered. Having private insurance companies rule health care is extreme and, in fact, illegal almost in every country. Same can be said about gun control, predatory student loan practices, allowing lobbysist write legislative bills, below poverty minimum wage, etc. AOC is the leader of Democratic Party and she is just getting srarted. She can do no wrong as long as she doesn’t let congress change her. She made rw staffers question if they are paid fairly. Think about her power! And I don’t know if you noticed among your friends, but many of my friends who consider themselves independent like her a lot, her appeal is widespread across generations and goes beyond dem party base. She single handedly consolidates Clinton, Sanders and apolitical voters. But unlike Sanders, she is a uniting force.

[LiberalLovinLug]

47. Yup.

Not to also mention the only western democracy without ANY maternity leave provision laws.

All of the ConservaDems would be considered Conservative right wingers in other Democracies. Extreme cons if you just remember that in other democracies the Conservative parties support universal single payer health care. For one it is cheaper, easier, for business, because they don't have to worry about providing it, other than extra coverage if they want to. And a healthier happier employee base as well.

[AlexSFCA]

48. and makes a country more competitive economically

[LiberalLovinLug]

54. exactly

For international bids, an American company must compete with other countries corporations that do not have to factor in the medical services plan they would not be paying their own employees.

Its so stupid. Its all ideological, makes no sense economically.

[Uncle Joe]

42. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread manor.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

43. "Its intent was to divide."

We must keep that in mind. The attempts to divide will come from all directions, all the time.

[Iggo]

44. I'm with her.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. AOC nails it again... she's just amazing!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Progressive dog]

56. I don't understand how any citizen is harmed if

undocumented people are attempting to buy weapons that require a background check and are reported to ICE. The way ICE is run is a consequence of who is in charge of the executive branch.

[zentrum]

57. Thank you OAC! Fearless.

[MadDAsHell]

58. How does 1 of 435 reps threaten to primary 26 others?

She's 1 rep from 1 district in 1 state. She can't primary anything.

[YOHABLO]

59. I hope she never loses her ferociousness.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

60. Continually impressed by AOC.

Damn, she’s smart!

[dweller]

65. what's the old saying?

we either hang together, or we hang seperately?

something like that...

✌🏼️

[orleans]

66. shit! i blinked and something happened

that i can't quite follow

politics: a fast moving sport (apparently)