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Thu Feb 28, 2019, 07:20 PM

Media is again mischaracterizing what Cohen actually said.


@SethAbramson
MEDIA, please make these connections:

(1) Cohen met Mueller's team—7 times—for many hours.
(2) Based on cooperation deal, Mueller believes Cohen now.
(3) Cohen says Stone was Trump-WikiLeaks intermediary.
(4) Mueller is charging Stone with crimes.
(5) Russia probe far from over.
6) If Cohen by *chance* overheard one Trump-Stone call about WikiLeaks, Mueller must believe many such calls actually happened.
(7) Mueller's charging of Stone gives him a chance to squeeze Stone to talk.
(8) If Stone admits to being Trump-WikiLeaks intermediary, it's collusion.
(9) Mueller therefore has *just* initiated a prosecution he credibly believes will lead to collusion.
(10) Media statements that Cohen "threw cold water" on collusion are therefore 180 degrees from the truth.
(Conclusion) Media statements that probe is almost over are also wrong.

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Reply Media is again mischaracterizing what Cohen actually said. (Original post)
onecaliberal Feb 2019 OP
maxsolomon Feb 2019 #1
triron Feb 2019 #2
Chakaconcarne Feb 2019 #3
CharleyDog Feb 2019 #6
triron Feb 2019 #11
jberryhill Feb 2019 #12
triron Feb 2019 #13
jberryhill Feb 2019 #14
jberryhill Feb 2019 #8
onecaliberal Feb 2019 #4
cannabis_flower Feb 2019 #5
maxsolomon Feb 2019 #7
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2019 #9
diva77 Feb 2019 #10

Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 07:25 PM

1. My takeaway was simply that Cohen

didn't go to Prague and didn't think the Pee Tape was real.

What Media outlet said that Cohen "threw cold water" on collusion?

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 07:30 PM

2. Was Cohen asked if he went to Prague?

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Response to triron (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 07:41 PM

3. Yes. He said no

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Response to Chakaconcarne (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 08:00 PM

6. Yes, he said no. He said it kind of happily, I noted. (why?) He was quite satisfied when he said

"No."

I think we will learn that it was Don Jr. with the phone in Prague. Don Jr. is in this up to his four o'clock shadow. Dad has thrust Jr. in every nook and cranny of his widespread corruption in order to shield his own orange self.

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Response to Chakaconcarne (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 08:32 PM

11. ok. Wonder if Cohen is covering something up or does not want to cross

Mueller or SDNY? Schiff wil find out more about this I bet.

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Response to triron (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 09:34 PM

12. He would not be helping himself with either mueller or the sdny

 

...by lying.

The SDNY busted him for lying to Congress.

On areas he was not allowed to talk about by the SDNY, he answered that he could not answer because it was under investigation.

That was a fine answer each time he gave it.

He would not honor his agreements with the SDNY or Mueller by lying under oath to Congress. That would be stupid.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 09:46 PM

13. I guess what I'm saying is if someone else had his phone

he might not voluntarily offer that information due to the reasons I gave.
That would not be lying.

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Response to triron (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 10:15 PM

14. The question he was asked was

 

“Have you ever been to Prague?”

This was in a grab-bag of clean up questions.

He said no, and further volunteered that he had never been to the Czech Republic.

Two things I would suggest:

1. It’s a really good idea to get into the habit of checking source material yourself when it is available, instead of having strangers (including me) describe it. It’s a good way to avoid being manipulated.

2. When layers upon layers of twists and turns are required to keep building scaffolding to preserve the “truth” of something that can’t be proven, but you want to believe anyway, then that thing might not be true.

One way to discredit a true story is to propagate an exaggerated or extreme version of it, or to provide fake evidence for it.

The Texas Air National Giard Memo effectively shit down discussion of just wtf did W do during Vietnam. It did that because people wanted to believe it, were predisposed to believe it, and accepted it at face value without any really good idea of just where it came from.

It is an effective and powerful tactic. 9/11 trutherism was marvelously effective at channeling disgust at the W administration’s utter failure to focus on actual security risks, and subsequent use of that event to pursue a disastrous agenda, into nonsense about fake planes, fake victims, hidden explosives and and endless hall of mirrors constructed of bullshit. That was political energy which COULD have been directed to ensuring he was not re-elected, instead of drawing the gullible off into Ron Paul cuckoo land.

Confirmation bias is a thing.

I can’t fucking stand Donald Trump. For that reason, I tend to be careful about that “silver bullet” story that is going to rid us of him. Because hucksters feed on other people’s hopes.

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Response to triron (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 08:00 PM

8. He denied visiting the Czech Republic

 


You know, YouTube captures of the whole thing are readily available. Certainly, watching the hearing would be time better spent than reading cuckoos on twitter.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 07:46 PM

4. That would be MSGOP

I heard Stephanie Rhule this morning say the president isn’t a criminal because he’s not convicted.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 07:58 PM

5. Soooo..

Was the Golden State killer not a criminal for all those years he was raping and killing?

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 08:00 PM

7. hairsplitting.

"Alleged Criminal". gotta play fair.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 08:01 PM

9. PBS Newshour asked Repub

When Republicans held a majority in the House, Judy Woodruff asked Republicans about goings-on in the House. Now, with a Democratic majority, she had a Republican on last night to discuss Cohen's testimony. Fair and balanced.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 08:15 PM

10. They should change their name to "The Fox-Adjacent Propaganda Hour"

so much shoddy reporting, shoddy analysis, wingnut talking points

Gwen Ifill must be rolling in her grave!!

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