So Robert Kraft was arrested for going to a jack shack.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

This story won't have a happy ending. Did it ever occur to him those women were there against their will? I am ambivalent about prostitution. I am not ambivalent about taking advantage of women brought to America under false pretenses and forced into sex work against their will.

Lock him up.

[smirkymonkey]

1. Just watching this on local Boston news now.

Palm Beach County. Hmmm. Wonder if his buddy Trump was there along with him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Trump isn't dumb enough to go to a jack shack.

[smirkymonkey]

3. Never underestimate the stupidity of Donald Trump.

[mopinko]

6. when you're a star, jack shack comes to you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. There are some guys at my gym who talk about going to Thailand, the Philippines, and Mexico

There are some guys at my gym who talk about going to Thailand, the Philippines, and Mexico and hiring prostitutes. The whole idea of going to foreign countries to buy sex from poor women makes me want to puke.

My thoughts on prostitution where men and women voluntarily enter into it, free from coercion or economic necessity, are more nuanced.

[mopinko]

15. yeah, that's some sick shit there. thing is

i suspect that for most guys, esp those that go to such lengths, it is exactly the powerlessness of the women that gets them off.

always felt that women's bodies arent really theirs if they cant sell them. sell them freely, fine.
all the other ways it usually happens- not so much.

[robbob]

21. Not to mention the availability of minors.

Unbelievable that people you know are bragging about taking sex tourist vacations.

[gldstwmn]

32. I knew a guy that used to talk about going to Thailand

for that very reason. I thought it was completely disgusting and I couldn't believe he was so... proud of it.

[crazytown]

25. Prostitution is legal in Australia -

well regulated and widely accepted but legalisation did not solve the problem of sex trafficking as expected. Nothing much changed one way or another.

[tymorial]

10. Um Jeffrey Epstein?

Basically an expensive jack shack.

[getagrip_already]

16. not even close......

epstein specialized in underage woman. The spas don't. There may still be trafficking, but it doesn't involve underage woman, at least not in the us. Look at the arrest pictures of the woman at these spas. They are typically middle aged. They are not girls.

[pnwmom]

26. He's dumb enough to have run one -- Trump Model management.

He had foreign models there who no doubt had some concerns about their visas, and there have been allegations about prostitution.

[justgamma]

46. That's where he met his arm candy. N/T

[comradebillyboy]

14. Rush Limbaugh was probably showing Kraft his favorite hangouts.

[George II]

18. When Limbaugh was arrested he had enough Viagar pills to give to everyone at trump's inauguration!

On second thought, maybe that wasn't very much?

[hueymahl]

28. I think the technical name is "Rub and Tug"

At least that is what they called it on "Entourage"

[workinclasszero]

4. No wonder he and tRump and such good pals

[Grasswire2]

5. Does Kraft also travel on Epstein's plane now and then? nt

[workinclasszero]

8. Kap blacklisted but................

Link to tweet

[Lifelong Protester]

51. This

[Blue Owl]

9. Heard he's now interested in buying the Jacksonville Jagoffs

n/t

[workinclasszero]

24. LOL

[FakeNoose]

11. It happened in Florida and almost all the men are local residents

According to this article
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/national/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-as-a-john-in-human-trafficking-prostitution-investigation

and this one
https://www.wptv.com/165-men-charged-with-solicitation-of-prostitution-in-indian-river-county

... the women involved are mostly Asians employed by these "Day Spas" and the customers were men looking for extracurriculars. I'm not sure how the trafficking charges come in, unless some of the women were brought into the country illegally and against their will. It looks like Robert Kraft got caught in the sting along with a lot of other men.

[nini]

12. I knew I was right about him

what a pig.

[gldstwmn]

34. He's just as awful as you'd imagine in person. n/t

[Johonny]

13. Most people go to Disney world after the Super Bowl, Kraft isn't most people

[PeeJ52]

17. Our local sheriff, Grady Judd, always locks up his stings for 24 hours...

I wonder if Kraft got locked in the county jail...

[gldstwmn]

36. No mug shot. All of the johns

had this weird black cape thing on in their mugshots. Strange.

[Blue_Tires]

19. Right now Smollett is saying "THANK YOU GOD!"

[dewsgirl]

53. I bet he is. I know I am, I'll be thrilled never to hear his name again.

[iscooterliberally]

20. So Kraft is 'buy-sexual' just like Trump.

What a bunch of assholes. They're both poster boys for why there should be an estate tax. I mean a really large estate tax.

[gldstwmn]

38. The one Kraft son that I met was

just as yucky as daddy so yeah.

[Awsi Dooger]

22. He probably was underinflated

Team trend

[gldstwmn]

39. One of the articles I read

said the cops went through the trash and found napkins with "seminal fluid" on them. So he must have been inflated at some point. It also said there was video evidence. Gag.

[watoos]

23. Gooly Gee, I hope Kraft,

still gets to go to the White House for those cold cheeseberders.

[CentralMass]

27. "Felate Gate"

[EveHammond13]

47. extremely clever

[kmla]

49. Hmmm. I was thinking maybe "Master-gate".

[CentralMass]

52. :-)

[WhiteTara]

29. I think it was more insidious

I think he was checking out his next sex stable this coming season.

[gldstwmn]

30. There are mug shots of the johns.

Will we get a mug shot of Kraft? I bet we don't.

[Johnny2X2X]

31. Don't call it a Jack Shack!!!

Calling these places funny names diminishes the victims of human trafficking who are being forced to work at these places as sex slaves.

Going to one of these places is sick! By paying money for this the men who go to these places are helping fund human trafficking, they're contributing money to the kidnapping, rape, and slavery of countless girls, most of them under aged.

[AllaN01Bear]

33. we shall see if 45 will pardon kraft.

isnt he married ? ah, republican "family values".

[gldstwmn]

40. It's not a federal crime. n/t

[BannonsLiver]

56. Do his pardon powers extend to county level misdemeanors?

I thought he could only pardon for federal crimes?

[Victor_c3]

35. Totally agree with the forced prostitution

A friend that I’ve recently made used to be a prostitute when she was younger - and she has some interesting insights and stories to tell. Anyways, she was a 20 year old single mom and she got into prostitution on her own free will. For her, it provided a very flexible schedule and she only had to work minimal hours a month to do quite well for herself.

She could work 40+ hours a week at minimum wage somewhere and get $5.25 an hour back in the late 90’s (which I’m not even sure if it was that high) and bring home $210 before taxes and stuff or she could go out and earn $200+ for 1 hour as a prostitute. The choice was very easy for her.

Anyways, I’m not quite sure how what I wrote is relevant to the thread....

[Power 2 the People]

37. Republican like Trump and Kraft feel that all people are there to serve them.

I wonder if Kraft's name will come up in the Epstein files also? He lives in the same town and obviously partakes in prostitution.

[GemDigger]

42. I went to get the Epstein docs to look and poof.... they are gone. nt

[Pepsidog]

41. HaHa-another immoral, righty hypocrite. Let's see if he shows his mug at The White House with the

Patriots. He and Trump are cut from the same mold. Let's see what the NFL does to this tower of virtue who was promoting the worse elements of prostitution, slavery and human trafficking.

[Dan]

43. Okay, for the ignorant..

What is a 'Jack Shack'?

[getagrip_already]

45. stupid name for a day spa acting as a whore house.....

They are outwardly a massage studio, but offer other services in the (supposed) privacy of the room. Happy endings, or manual realease are one noted service offered (very common and not illegal in parts of europe).

Hand release, jack off, stupid name.

[Awsi Dooger]

44. Probably a suspension of 8 games or so for Kraft

The Colts owner Jim Irsay was suspended for 6 games and fined a half million due to a drug arrest a few years ago.

The key term is "personal conduct policy," and whether or not Kraft violated it. Hard to imagine he didn't violate it, but they can define it any way they want.

This ruins Kraft for the Hall of Fame next year. They have been inducting one or two coaches/owners/personnel types per year recently. Kraft was the frontrunner for one of those spots next year. Now he becomes a laughingstock.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. Wasn't he afraid somebody would recognize him there? Another client?

[Joe Nation]

48. I was once traveling in Singapore and met an elderly man

In the middle of the day in a bar, my wife and I met this guy and got to taking because we were all Americans. We asked him if he was on vacation. He said no not really, he was there for monkey business. We thought about it for a second or two and simultaneously leaned back I'm sure with the same look on our faces and took our leave.

What is wrong with these old fucks?

[KY_EnviroGuy]

50. Not standing up for Kraft but there's a whiff of hypocrisy in this news.

Most likely, many of us here regularly do business or buy products where human trafficking was involved in producing the product or service.

Ask yourself....
* Do you buy seafood, either in a restaurant or grocery store?
* Do you ever go to a nail salon?
* Do you ever eat at Mexican, Chinese, Korean or other foreign-themed restaurants?
* Do you ever rent a hotel or motel room?
(I won't even get into the meat and produce markets)

If we answer "yes" to any of those, there's a good probability trafficked labor was involved somewhere in the process of providing you that service.

..........

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. I would hate to be commandeered but I rather be commandeered

I would hate to be commandeered but I rather be commandeered to do nails than to be commandeered to serve up my body for sex with strangers.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

60. There's a lot of very desperate people in the world.

Your point is well taken, but I was primarily attempting to point out that human trafficking is far more wide-spread in the US than most citizens are aware of. Whether it involves sex or seafood, it's wrong and those that organize it and profit from it should be in jail, IMO.

Not to mention that those that have been commandeered very rarely get the fair labor considerations we're accustomed to such as healthcare, social security and workplace safety protections.

Horror stories about about death and injury in meat processing plants and on fishing boats (for example) abound, but rarely are seen on main-stream news. Many of those deaths and injuries are simply swept under the rug and are not even reported.

We might ask ourselves then, why it takes an event involving a high-profile person for this wide-spread issue to get attention.

.....

[Historic NY]

54. Human trafficking....

These unlicensed spa's, wonder where Trump is with these. Where is ICE? The majority of the enforcement comes from local police agencies. The operator usually rents a place to house her people. They take their passports away, and threaten them (or their families) if they don't work. A common tactic is telling them they have to work off their passage to the US. Its not uncommon to see two of more places move in. Getting the evidence is sometimes a matter of acrobatics. Usually someone whispers about the time they had. In NY State a license is need for a masseuse to work. They use the word spa, which can imply a number of things.

Some nail salons also employ a number of Asians, they come in by a van and leave by a van. Mostly women

Any use of the title "massage therapist" or "masseuse," "masseur," or any derivation of the title, within New York State, requires licensure as a massage therapist.


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[BannonsLiver]

55. LOL Jack Shack!

Have not heard that one.

[Initech]

58. Jack Shack... I am so stealing that one!