The "Isis Bride" . . . . let her come back or not?

[Stinky The Clown]

I am a forgiving person. I am opposed to draconian laws that prescribe harsh punishment. I am opposed to the death penalty, for example. I am not, however, in favor of overlooking serious transgressions.

In my view, this woman has committed crimes against our country. She gave aid and comfort to a non state sworn enemy of the United States, one with whom we have engaged with hot war. I see that as REALLY serious.

So . . . . . what to do now that she wants to come "home"?

[maxrandb]

1. If she is a United States citizen, she is authorized access to the US Justice System

Before Donnie Shit for Brains, I actually had faith in our judicial system. I hate that he's fucked that up.

But, I am fully confidant that our legal system, which has handled cases from Charles Manson to "spitting on the sidewalk", can surely handle a case like this.

[LakeArenal]

2. Exactly..

[mr_lebowski]

3. 3rded ... we let John Walker come home didn't we? His case was much more serious IMHO ... (nt)

[bluestarone]

24. THIS

Is the ONLY way!

[Calista241]

66. I foresee Trump declaring her an enemy combatant and shipping her off to Gitmo.

He'll have a hell of a fight from the ACLU and others, but it's a winning battle for him.

[leftynyc]

4. If she's proven to be a citizen

they HAVE to let her back. I hope they arrest her the second she walks off the plane, removes her child from her care (her parents can take the child but since they did such a banner job as parents already, I would rather find another family) and try her for treason. When this story first came out I hadn't read all the crap she posted on social media. I have zero sympathy for her. Zero.

[LuvNewcastle]

11. That's exactly what I think.

There seems to be some dispute over her citizenship status. If she’s not a citizen, keep her out. If she is one, throw her in a Supermax. That’s about all I can say. She’ll be lucky if she doesn’t end up in Gitmo. I think if I were her, I’d slink off into the shadows somewhere.

[leftynyc]

19. It puzzles me she wants to come back

If she thinks she can get out of being charged and convicted, she's delusional.

[LuvNewcastle]

42. She's off her nut.

She left Alabama to go join fucking ISIS. There are some crazy people in this country. Between her and the Coast Guard guy, I’m scared to know what my neighbors are up to.

[leftynyc]

46. Reading her social media posts

was extremely disturbing. She was old enough to know better. I frankly don't give a crap what happens to her.

[SCantiGOP]

51. Same thing I thought

Find a third country somewhere, Pakistan or Jordan perhaps.
Coming back to the US would probably mean a jail sentence, maybe 10 years plus.

[beachbum bob]

5. she made her decision and there is price to be paid, Screw her and any one else in same boat

[customerserviceguy]

50. I agree

But take her kid away, and have it adopted by a Christian family, and raised right.

No, make that a Jewish family, that would be more fitting!

[Pachamama]

68. "Christian family and raised right"....

Seriously.... or did you forget your sarcasm emoji....

[customerserviceguy]

74. I'm an atheist

and frankly, I would rather that kids be raised without religion, but I was just going for something that the ISIS wife might fear the most.

In any case, just about any family would do a better job of raising this child than she has.

[Pachamama]

76. So as an Atheist you believe Religion and Religious upbringing should be used to punish someone of

...an alternate faith and belief?



So - who is to be punished: The Woman or the child?

[customerserviceguy]

77. No, it was just me piling on

The opinions of the people here are not going to make a tinker's dam worth of difference as to what happens to this woman. We're just being given an opportunity by the OP to sound off on our feelings, and I chose to do so in a nasty way, because that's how I feel about ISIS.

Interesting to me that you choose to take me up on this, and leave alone post 39 which threw "gay couple" into the mix.

[Pachamama]

78. ?????

This was a serious question on my part and I was very curious how an Atheist would answer....

I am reading the thread in order and your answer appears before "post 39" which I hadn't read yet....I find it fascinating how many people want to punish the mother and the child by determining how and who should raise and using either religion or sexual orientation to determine that punishment....

On that note - a parent's sexual orientation or guardian's sexual orientation has nothing to do with parenting....all my gay friends had heterosexual parents.....and I know plenty of gay parents with heterosexual kids....

Parenting and raising children has to do with love....

[customerserviceguy]

81. Read a little further

and maybe you'll see contempt for ISIS and anyone who would have contemplated being a part of it, and you'll see a wide variation in how that feeling is expressed. In the end, our opinions don't mean diddly-squat, none of us will be on a jury deciding the fate of either the woman or her child. If we were, then your concerns would make some sense to me.

All I can do is wish for the child to escape the life that the mother had chosen for them, that's all. And if it pissed her off in the process, well, that's not necessary, but some of us would see it as a bonus.

We're just blowing off steam here, calm down, OK?

[Autumn]

113. Wow.

[TheBlackAdder]

52. Technically, if she's brainwashed, she can recover when removed, however, if she relapses...

[Pachamama]

6. I believe she is a US born citizen, she and her child should be allowed to return to US, should have

...due process and be charged with crimes she has committed and face consequences for them and serve time but also that she may be able to be deprogramed and something positive can come of this situation in the future should she be released after facing those consequences for her actions and even teach and help prevent this kind of thing happening to others. Her son, who is a victim and did not choose his circumstances, should be able to be with the grandparents and family and raised in the US and educated and have a chance in his future.

If they are left without a country and in refugee camps, they will either die or she will end up again married off to ISIS members and impregnated and her son if he doesn't die will become a future terrorist and ISIS fighter and both hating America. What good does that serve? Is that punishing her and the child (and future children) going to solve anything? I even believe that important intelligence information could come from learning how she was converted and recruited and also what she saw while she was there.

[Dan]

58. father was a former diplomat... different standards...

[Pachamama]

63. Not accurate....

Ofcourse, if you listen to the Trump Administration.....then that is what everybody parrots....

How does one explain all the children born in the US when their parents were in DC working at the various embassies etc. and they have US Passports? Funny, because I know many of these people....

(Oh yeah - they were from "good" countries like Germany, Sweden, Denmark.... Not "Yemen&quot ....



My prediction - this argument being stated by Trump and Pompeo won't hold....She will get a US passport replacement at some point and so will her son.

[Dan]

93. Well, she might, but

I wouldn’t give it to her. She made her bed, enjoy it.

[struggle4progress]

7. If she was born a US citizen, she can't be kept out

[peggysue2]

8. Sorry, no.

There are other people more worthy of entering the country than a woman who betrayed her fellow citizens. Her choice to go and stay and give comfort to murderers. Now she wants a pass? I feel far more sympathy for the children, however; they had no choice.

[jberryhill]

12. So, you believe the administration can banish US citizens from the US?

Is that correct?

No trial, no nothing. Just banished.

[tritsofme]

44. Isn't her citizenship status under dispute?

[jberryhill]

45. Where do we resolve legal disputes in this country?

[FBaggins]

104. Well... that depends on the "we" and "in this country", right?

It shouldn’t be hard for her to demonstrate that she had a passport.

[peggysue2]

48. No. I'm saying I have very little sympathy for the woman herself

I do have sympathy for the children. But she made her choice to join a murderous regime. That should cost something, more than a simple mea culpa.

[jberryhill]

49. I have sympathy for the Constitution and laws of the US, and for due process

If she has committed a crime, charge her and try her. Here.

If her citizenship is in dispute, then schedule an appropriate hearing.

The way people are behaving in this instance certainly answers the question many were asking on DU about "What if the Coast Guard guy was a Muslim?"

Well, if he was a Muslim, DUers would be calling for his head.

[Blue_true]

84. There have been a few past cases where birthright citizenship was not automatic.

One such case is if one or both parents was serving as a diplomat for a foreign government at the time the child was born.

If I remember correctly, you are an attorney. This should be an interesting case for you.

Personally, she should be interviewed by experts and if she is truly remorseful, allowed to return, but she should face penalties. Her claim is that she wants a safe place for her baby and now believes the USA is one of the few places for that.

[jberryhill]

85. How does being 'remorseful' affect her citizenship status?

[Blue_true]

117. You have a point. But I would rather her show true remorse than not.

If not, I honestly would not want to see her return.

[keithbvadu2]

108. Are all natural born children American citizens? No... there is one exception.

Are all natural born children American citizens?

No… there is one exception.

Children of diplomats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/birthright-citizenship-is-a-fundamental-constitutional-value/2018/07/20/49d7f9d2-8c46-11e8-8b20-60521f27434e_story.html?utm_term=.afecc93b0471&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

“The Supreme Court has long defined “subject to the jurisdiction” to carve out from the birthright citizenship guarantee only the children of diplomats who are immune from prosecution under U.S. laws. Meanwhile, if undocumented immigrants or their children commit a crime in the United States, they can be and are punished under U.S. law. In other words, they are - obviously! - subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. If born on American soil, they are also citizens of the United States.”

---------------------
Amendment 14
(Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.)

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[dalton99a]

109. It's also international law

Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations
Protocol concerning Acquisition of Nationality
http://www.bits.de/ac-archive/voelkerrecht/on/dipprona.htm

Article II
Members of the mission not being nationals of the receiving State, and members of their families forming part of their household, shall not, solely by the operation of the law of the receiving State, acquire the nationality of that State.

[bullwinkle428]

9. Orange Shitgibbon is trying to use this case to end birthright citizenship.

She deserves to be brought back into the U.S. and face our justice system where she can be tried for her alleged crimes.

[GulfCoast66]

17. You do realize the Obama administration rejected her ability to return as welll.

Apparently there are real questions about her citizenship status.

[Pachamama]

70. +1000

Important - this is EXACTLY why Traitor Trump and his administration are doing this - they want to end birthright citizenship.

[jberryhill]

10. If she is a US citizen, she has an absolute right to enter the US

There's simply no question about that.

If she has committed a crime of some kind, she can be charged with a crime.

I am completely baffled by the "controversy" around this.

It has nothing to do with being "forgiving" or anything else.

You either support the rule of law or you don't. It's that simple.

I just don't get people who don't understand that much of the Bill of Rights only applies to people who are suspected or accused of crimes.

There's a reason for that.

If she's not a US citizen, then she's on her own.

[MH1]

14. +1000. nt.

[treestar]

27. +1

The idea of stripping citizenship involuntarily is something people should think through before advocating it anyway. Next, it will be stripped from "the libruls".

[Pachamama]

71. +1000

[Act_of_Reparation]

75. It's controversial because it is the kind of issue that gets the authoritarians fired up.

Bad people need to be punished, doncha know.

[Polybius]

111. "If" she committed a crime?

She joined Isis, that's not up for dispute.

[ProudLib72]

116. I agree, but I think this is a passive aggressive technique used to generate more hate

Instead of facing the issue, the WH wants to create a scene to rile everyone up. It's obviously working because look at what is happening right here in this thread.

[dalton99a]

13. The Obama administration determined she was not a U.S. citizen at birth

and her passport had been issued in error

[workinclasszero]

23. Case closed then

[jberryhill]

28. Ah, of course

A post with a bare assertion, no link to any facts, no indication of whether there was any sort of due process involved.

This is the way this country should be run!

[workinclasszero]

31. Alabama woman who joined ISIS sues to return to the U.S.

The Obama administration initially determined Hoda Muthana was not a citizen and notified her family that it was revoking her passport in January 2016.

By Associated Press Feb. 22, 2019, 3:31 AM CST

WASHINGTON — The father of an Alabama woman who joined the Islamic State in Syria filed suit against the Trump administration Thursday in an effort to allow her return to the United States.

The Obama administration initially determined she was not a citizen and notified her family that it was revoking her passport in January 2016.

Under the Immigration and Nationality Act, a person born in the U.S. to an accredited foreign diplomatic officer is not subject to U.S. law and is not automatically considered a U.S. citizen at birth.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-woman-who-joined-isis-sues-return-u-s-n974386

[LanternWaste]

53. Now that's some irony!

[Pachamama]

72. Link to info that supports this claim?

[Polybius]

112. Here

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-woman-who-joined-isis-sues-return-u-s-n974386

[treestar]

73. Did she appeal?

[Eugene]

15. Bring her back and let her face terrorism charges.

Evidence says she is a U.S. citizen by birth. She can't legally be kept out. That said, even an accused traitor gets a fair trial. It should be up to a court to decide what crimes she committed and how much her repentance should count for.

[Shrike47]

21. I thought the evidence was that her parents were here because of her father's diplomat status.

Children of diplomats are not citizens by birth in the US because their parents are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US. They can’t be prosecuted for crimes here (think of the plots of many a TV cops/lawyers show where the junior attaché from the embassy committed the murder).

I believe the family position is that he quit being a diplomat shortly before her birth and, therefore, no longer had diplomatic status, making her a birth citizen.

[Eugene]

26. The State Department said this in 2016. Her father disputes this.

He says he stepped down from his diplomatic post before his daughter was born. Their lawyer says they have the documents.

[JCMach1]

69. Keep it in mind people with connections (Wasta in Arabic) can get almost any document they want

created...

I would trust the Obama Administration's investigation of this...

[dalton99a]

106. Quitting your diplomatic job is not enough. The U.S. State Department must be formally notified

of the status change. It's fair to assume that the State Department - under John Kerry - researched this issue and consulted with legal experts before taking such drastic action

(Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, Article 10
http://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf)

[LuckyCharms]

16. She needs to be prosecuted in the US as a US citizen.

I think that the case by case disallowing of citizens to re-enter their own country is an awful idea. I do think she needs to be prosecuted.

[snowybirdie]

18. Her father was a diplomat

and their children are not given citizenship even when born in US. But the dispute surrounds whether or not he was a diplomat at the time of her birth. Complicated and confusing!

[Pachamama]

64. Where is this info coming from regarding diplomat children?

I keep hearing this and yet ironically I know kids whose parents were working in DC as diplomats at their various embassies and their children did receive US passports when born in US....

Maybe because they were from Germany, Sweden and Denmark?

[Polybius]

114. Here ya go:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/birthright-citizenship-is-a-fundamental-constitutional-value/2018/07/20/49d7f9d2-8c46-11e8-8b20-60521f27434e_story.html?utm_term=.afecc93b0471&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

“The Supreme Court has long defined “subject to the jurisdiction” to carve out from the birthright citizenship guarantee only the children of diplomats who are immune from prosecution under U.S. laws."

And it's also international law:

http://www.bits.de/ac-archive/voelkerrecht/on/dipprona.htm

[GemDigger]

20. There might be a bright side to this. President Lawless and Disorder,

Ivanka, Jr, Eric, Kushner might not got to jail but we might get to take away their citizenship. If they do it to this woman for fighting with ISIS we can kick their ass out for pure treason.

[workinclasszero]

22. Seriously?

No way in hell.

Whoever says yes, would you like to have her as your neighbor?

[jberryhill]

29. That's a silly question

There are all sorts of criminals I don't want as neighbors.

That's why we have courts and prisons.

[workinclasszero]

34. Someone that joined ISIS is a mass murderer

waiting to happen.

And or will facilitate the same.

[jberryhill]

37. Yes, so?

In what way is that at all responsive to my comment on your silly question?

Is that what we do with mass murderers? We let them live next door to you?

NO ONE - NOT A SINGLE PERSON - has said anything about letting this person escape prosecution for any crime they have committed.

Your question "Would you want them living next door?" is just plain silly.

There are all kinds of criminals living in this country. In prisons. Where they belong.

You, on the other hand, would rather just give the government the power to banish US citizens with no trial or process whatsoever.

You are okay with the idea that President Trump can simply banish people? Really?

[treestar]

25. A US citizen is always allowed back

We don't want to start that mentality.

If she is guilty of anything, she can be charged.

[bluecollar2]

30. If she is a U.S. Citizen she has the right

To return.

If she committed Treason she has the right to her day in court.

If she is found guilty she should be imprisoned.

[get the red out]

32. Bring her home and put her on trial

That is what a law-based country should do.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. She's a citizen, so she's entitled to return to the U.S. - and face prosecution here.

She might wind up in prison, and probably should, but a citizen can't be banished.

[ripcord]

55. The Obama administration determined she wasn't a citizen in 2016

Her passport was revokesd, they said it was issued in error.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

86. My understanding is that she was born after her father was no longer a diplomat.

If that's not the case she's not a citizen, so of course that's a different situation.

[ripcord]

97. I doubt I would have believed Trump's administration

But I have much more faith in the Obama administration.

[Downtown Hound]

35. If ISIS had won...

I have serious doubts that she would be so regretful of her actions. If we let her back in, it should be to stand trial.

[JuJuYoshida]

36. Sorry, you went to join ISIS, who would have no problem beheading any of us.

No more USA for you.

[jberryhill]

40. Yep

It's the same idea as with the Japanese during WWII, right?

[Cold War Spook]

38. According to a UN document,

her father gave up his diplomatic post on October 18, 1994. I can't find her birthdate but that would clarify whether or not she is a citizen. Also important is did she ever give up her citizenship. If she is a citizen, she should be allowed to return and as a terrorist put immediately on another plane for a vacation in Gitmo.

[Blue_true]

87. She is 24 years old. That would put her birth around late 1995. nt

[Jose Garcia]

39. Her child should be adopted by a gay Jewish couple and

she should be prosecuted.

[haele]

41. I know several young women that have done/could do similar.

It's only different from joining a gang or a cult for a year or two while looking for acceptance or something that makes her feel "special" in that she had means and a passport to do an even more monumentally stupid action than the average young woman does in the name of being (for the lack of a better term at this moment) holier than thou.
To think themselves to be more enlightened, or just to pull a "I'll show you I'm a Grown Up and can do what I want now!".

It can start as early as age 13/14 and run long into the mid-20's. Most young women grow out of it fairly quickly.

The craving at that age to both run away and paradoxically pretend to be "more" than one's parents or social expectations can be overpowering to some, especially if they feel trapped or are on the bipolar spectrum and don't have the option to be the Queen Bee in their support cliques.

I'm not excusing her - most girls I've known that act out the way she did ended up in jail for prostitution, drug or gang crimes while they were trying to "find themselves".

If she's a U.S. citizen, -native born or naturalized - let her return to face the laws she was born under. We've brought back disgruntled ex-pats after they've grown up and lost their idealistic delusions before; her case is nothing new.

Haele

[eissa]

43. I can't say this enough

Fuck her. FFFFUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKK HHHHHHEEERRRRRR.

Talk to me when the lives of your families have been turned upside down because those murderous barbarians. She doesn't get to say, "ooppss, my bad!" after fucking over so many lives, and causing a seismic shift in global migration. She can rot in the hellhole she helped create, at the hands of the misogynist bastard she married. I wish her nothing but misery for the rest of her pathetic life.

[Blue_true]

88. Both of the men she married are dead. She is unsure which one is the father of her child.

Classic case of how to screw your life up.

If she has learned and can clearly articulate that to girls that are being radicalized online like she was, she could be of great value in destroying online recruiting by radical groups.

[fishwax]

47. She should be allowed to return

And then she should be prosecuted for her alleged crimes

[DBoon]

54. Follow the law!

Treat her like any other criminal suspect or prisoner of war. She can come home and still be subject to the same charges and have the same rights as anyone else in her position.

We don't treat people differently because we don't like their beliefs.

[Afromania]

56. Honestly(imho), she shouldn't be let back in even if she's a citizen.

You can't go and join foreign warfighters, get tired, and want to come "home". That's some serious, SERIOUS, bullshit on her part. In reality, this government has let far worse people into this country during its history for its own particular reasons which makes this whole deal kind of murky and clears the way for her to return"home".

[Hekate]

57. Come home, face justice in a court of law. She seems to be willing to do that...

I think that, like one of the British brides, she fears for her child. The British girl, now a woman, has had two children die and is pregnant again. I think cold reality has has been a harsh slap upside the head to a bunch of starry-eyed schoolgirls who fell for skillful propaganda.

Having said that, she and the others were at the same time underage victims and then victimizers who let themselves be used for propaganda. Can they be rehabilitated? Some certainly can. They have to be evaluated to see if they are still in thrall to the deadly ideology that wrecked them and whether they are a danger to the society they want to return to.

Patty Hearst was flat-out kidnapped before she was brainwashed. She still had to do time.

[davsand]

59. If she returns to the US knowing she's facing trial, so be it.

She held a US passport at one time, and as such, I am assuming she was a US citizen as far as State Department was concerned when that passport was issued. Under that logic, she should be allowed to return to the US.

As a citizen of the US, she also is legally liable for actions she may (or may not) have participated in. Giving any sort of material support to an enemy of the US probably carries some legal consequences, and that means she's on the hook for that if she wants to return and re-claim her citizenship. She deserves a trial. Her kid(s) were born to (presumably) a US mother, which opens the door to their US citizenship--no matter where they were born. Plus, how much does any little kid know or understand about geo-politics or insurrection? Let the kids in!

YMMV.


Laura

[muriel_volestrangler]

60. Trump just got done criticising Europe for not taking back ISIS members

so it's hypocritical for his flunky to be trying to stop the Americans coming back:

Trump: EU must take back 800 Isis fighters captured in Syria

Trump tweeted: “The United States is asking Britain, France, Germany and other European allies to take back over 800 Isis fighters that we captured in Syria and put them on trial. The Caliphate is ready to fall. The alternative is not a good one in that we will be forced to release them.

“The US does not want to watch as these Isis fighters permeate Europe, which is where they are expected to go. We do so much, and spend so much - Time for others to step up and do the job that they are so capable of doing. We are pulling back after 100% Caliphate victory!”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/17/islamic-state-isis-baghuz-trump-calls-on-european-allies-to-take-800-fighters-captured-in-syria

[Lunabell]

61. This is not her home.

She gave that right away.

[Blue_true]

89. If she is a citizen, she never gives up that right unless she formally renounced her citizenship.

Nothing has been reported about her formally renouncing her citizenship. The fight is over whether she IS a birthright citizen.

[Amishman]

62. She isn't a citizen and has zero right to come back

She fucked up, now she has to live with it.

[tiredtoo]

67. My first thought on this was Hell No but

We have all made mistakes. Hell I voted for a Republican once. Do we deserve a second chance? At this point I don't have strong feelings about this but if they refuse her admission, it won't bother me.

[Blue_true]

92. You voted for a republican once?

Can you ever live down that shame? I can't, I voted for once once also, I will take that stench to my grave.

[tiredtoo]

99. I can forgive but I can't forget. EOM

[Blue_true]

79. If she is truly remorseful, she can explain to young women being pulled into radicalism,

that it is not what they are being told.

[avebury]

80. If she did renounce her citizenship in the past and that can be

verified she is out of luck. But if it can be proven that she is still a US citizen she should be allowed back but face any legal consequences of her actions.

Considering how many Rethugs have provided aid and comfort to the Russions (Putin) and Saudi Arabia (Crown Prince) and who knows what other countries I find them hypocritical in banning her re-entry when Trump and his family are allowed in the US.

[Loki Liesmith]

82. There's no "let" about it

You can’t strip her of her citizenship.

[Blue_true]

94. The question is whether she was a citizen to begin with.

Tough case. I say even if she wasn't technically a citizen due to her father's status of being or not being a diplomat, I say let her back in if she is remorseful and have her stand trial. Her dad can care for her child until she is free.

[Blue_Tires]

83. No fuckin' way

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Unless she wants to stand trial for treason... Her thinking that she can just come back to Birmingham and resume her pre-ISIS life with no punishment like nothing ever happened is ironically the most American privileged thing ever.

I *MIGHT* be a bit more sympathetic to her had she tried to get out early on, but the bottom line is she and these other ISIS breeders only got woke all of a sudden because they know the game is up and Assad is wiping the caliphate off the maps. The only future waiting for her in Syria is a 9mm through the dome (strange that they're dumb enough to pawn their bodies off to ISIS for procreation but they're somehow smart enough to see death on the horizon)... It just all seems too "convenient" for me -- They fuckin' *HATE* the west until they need the protection of western laws, they need to raise their nuggets with the help of western-style social services and healthcare, and they need western-style feminist rights since terrorist husbands don't exactly have a retirement plan or life insurance before martyrdom and under the caliphate she wouldn't have been able to work or educate herself...

[Blue_true]

95. From what I have read, she doesn't care if she is tried and jailed.

She wants a safe place for her child with family in the USA.

Tough, emotional case. A big part of me says "fuck her, she is on her own", but another part would be ok with her bringing her child to safety as long as SHE stands trial for crimes that she committed.

[Blue_Tires]

96. Okay, last I checked she *didn't* want to cooperate

but maybe the situation has changed if she prefers a U.S. prison than being a "free" woman in Syria...

[Ilsa]

90. She should come home, do her time in prison,

start over like other criminals. She'll need to be on a watch list for the next 60 years, though.

[beachbum bob]

91. actually her actions are the definition of treason and she should be tried under UCMJ which

has death penalty which is the severest form of punishment if found guilty

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

98. If she's a civilian the UCMJ doesn't apply, no matter what she did.

[Raine]

100. No nt

[stonecutter357]

101. she renounced her citizenship !

[Tiggeroshii]

102. and it was revoked in 2016

SOL

[Alea]

103. I'm with President Obama on this - She is not a Citizen and can't come to the USA

I got out of the Army in 2016. While I served, she wanted me DEAD. After I got out, she wanted me DEAD, and everyone here DEAD.

The site TOS prevents me from saying what I feel should happen to this terrorist.

And LOL at anyone that thinks she has changed for any reason other than being captured and stuck in a refugee camp.

[GulfCoast66]

105. I trust President Obama and the decisions he made.

If she, like the Obama administration claimed is not a citizen the no way should we let her in.

But her family is free to prove to a court that the ruling was incorrect and in that case she is a citizen and has a right to return.

But be that as it may, she only started whining after her beloved califate was destroyed and her ass is in a Kurdish camp. Till then she was all in with the worst group of killers since Pol Pot.

If she is allowed back I hope she dies in prison. And not sure I like the idea of her family raising her kid. Their history in that area seems sketchy.

[Renew Deal]

107. No

She chose ISIS. I don't even wish her the best.

[Polybius]

110. Let her decide by giving her this choice

Come back and immediately get sent to Guantanamo Bay, or stay where you are now.