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NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:04 PM Feb 2019

Oh FFS, GOP

Senator Kevin Cramer, a North Dakota Republican, claimed this week that members of Congress are opposing President Donald Trump’s national emergency declaration because they “dislike” the president. It’s a well-worn talking point we hear on a daily basis, as though Trump is some poor third grader who regularly gets beat-up in the schoolyard for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

I really don’t understand why you Republicans don’t get the bleedin’ obvious. So let me help you out.

Most people tend to dislike a so-called “pResident” whose every statement is a lie, who fabricates statistics and pulls “facts” out of his ass that are as self-serving as they are ludicrous, and who constantly accuses others of doing exactly what he does on a daily basis. It’s an insult to their intelligence – and the only reason MAGAts accept this behaviour is because they don’t have enough intelligence to be insulted.

Decent people dislike anyone who brags about “grabbing pussies”, publicly mocks the disabled, and announces that Nazis and white supremacists are “very fine people”. The only people who support such a man are those who are just too fucking stupid to understand why such conduct is as unacceptable as it is reprehensible.

Patriots who love their country dislike a man who jeopardizes our standing in the global community by insulting our nation’s allies while embracing dictators like Putin and Kim Jung-Un, and has no problem dismissing our own intelligence community in order to side with our enemies. The only people who think this kind of conduct is a good thing are those who are incapable of thinking at all.

People with religious principles dislike a man who brazenly demonstrates his complete lack of morals by tearing traumatized children away from their parents, by demonizing anyone who is not white, and who pursues policies that ignore the homeless, the hungry, and the sick – the very people all religions admonish their adherents to protect. The only people who applaud such actions are the hypocrites who, while holding themselves out as “good Christians”, are as equally devoid of morals themselves.

Patriots who respect our country, its institutions, its laws, and the foundation of our democracy dislike a “pResident” who consistently undermines the things that ensure that democracy – like a free press, and the power of congress to hold anyone and everyone accountable for their actions. The only people who stand with a man who seeks to destroy the underpinnings of democracy are those who don’t posses the intellectual capacity to understand just how dangerous such behaviour is.

Citizens who understand how our democratic process works are understandably appalled by the appointment of incompetent, inexperienced, and totally inept people to positions of power and influence. The only people who believe putting a bunch of foxes in charge of our country’s henhouses is a great idea are those who believe Ivanka, Jared, and Don Junior somehow became experts overnight on the running of a nation, along with a sudden expertise on international affairs.

Americans who are rightfully concerned about the respect traditionally demonstrated by a president for the office he holds dislike a “pResident” who disgraces that office by using it to sell his brand-name, made-in-China merchandise in order to line his own pockets. Ironically, many of the people who are ignoring this blatant self-serving conduct are people who once had good-paying jobs in US factories that produce branded hats, T-shirts, and other such paraphernalia.

The people who dislike Donald J. Trump don’t merely dislike him. They despise him, they detest him, and many downright hate him. And they have every reason to do so.

Those who continue to stand behind the lying, pussy-grabbing, Putin-fellating “pResident” are simply too dumb to realize that everything he’s done is the undoing of everything they claim to uphold. And pretending that those of us disgusted by him and everything he stands for should be relegated to the status of “disliking” a traitor is demonstrative of just how clueless – and willfully ignorant – Republicans are.



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Oh FFS, GOP (Original Post) NanceGreggs Feb 2019 OP
My sense is that the softer half of trump's 35-40% support will erode under reality pressure empedocles Feb 2019 #1
If tRump supporters could be reasoned with, they wouldn't be tRump supporters. lastlib Feb 2019 #8
Part of the soft is the 'Never Trumpers'. Hard for them to not support a Republican, but empedocles Feb 2019 #14
yes, I hear that on talk radio. "They hate Trump so much... ." people hate what he does Demovictory9 Feb 2019 #2
Hope we are not preaching to the converted. Great pity the people who really need to read this are BSdetect Feb 2019 #3
Congressional hearings may get the unconverted to hear some 'inklings' of realities. empedocles Feb 2019 #4
Most will not bother to listen. True Blue American Feb 2019 #28
K&R smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #5
One of your best summations. 3catwoman3 Feb 2019 #6
NG - love the interspersed vulgarity, gives it just the NoMoreRepugs Feb 2019 #7
An offering of added ideas on your reasoning tandgf Feb 2019 #9
Hi, and welcome to DU lunatica Feb 2019 #12
Thank you tandgf Feb 2019 #16
Welcome, I'm glad you're here stopwastingmymoney Feb 2019 #21
Right on to you tandgf Feb 2019 #22
Well said and spot on. Comatose Sphagetti Feb 2019 #13
no answers tandgf Feb 2019 #15
I know what you are saying True Blue American Feb 2019 #29
K&R!!! 2naSalit Feb 2019 #10
I have nothing to add to your words lunatica Feb 2019 #11
Gratuitous cruelty is not an American value. The Wizard Feb 2019 #17
Is "Putin fellating" some not so subtle homophobia? nt MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #18
Why would it be? NanceGreggs Feb 2019 #19
and... brandnewday2009 Feb 2019 #26
The GOP dishes up shit and says, "You won't eat it because it's not sushi." LuvLoogie Feb 2019 #20
Senator makes false national emergency claim struggle4progress Feb 2019 #23
Yes, Nance! brandnewday2009 Feb 2019 #24
k&r Demovictory9 Feb 2019 #25
Why would anyone want to trust anything that comes from the "gut?" There's only one thing that comes Doitnow Feb 2019 #27

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
1. My sense is that the softer half of trump's 35-40% support will erode under reality pressure
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:11 PM
Feb 2019

and some 'con pols will alter their 'tune'.

lastlib

(23,168 posts)
8. If tRump supporters could be reasoned with, they wouldn't be tRump supporters.
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 01:18 AM
Feb 2019

The only part of tRump's support that's soft is......well, you know.....

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
14. Part of the soft is the 'Never Trumpers'. Hard for them to not support a Republican, but
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 09:50 AM
Feb 2019

they did it. Other parts don't feel comfortable with some Dem aspects. Others are, in varying degrees, low information - imo.

Demovictory9

(32,423 posts)
2. yes, I hear that on talk radio. "They hate Trump so much... ." people hate what he does
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:11 PM
Feb 2019

his behavior, his trashing of America.

BSdetect

(8,995 posts)
3. Hope we are not preaching to the converted. Great pity the people who really need to read this are
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:31 PM
Feb 2019

probably not going to.

tandgf

(25 posts)
9. An offering of added ideas on your reasoning
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 01:45 AM
Feb 2019

Hello Nance -
I am all for you. Please know that. But I need to add to your reasoning concerning how the r's have managed to get to where they are concerning everything that is going on. I live in a part of Kansas that is bleeding blood red as red as red can get. What I and a few of my smarter friends have decided is this mindset that the r's have isn't just about ignorance. Although their actions seem so ignorant it is beyond comprehension, it isn't just ignorance that is creating this behavior. It is pride, arrogance and self-righteousness also. All three combined and well developed over many generations of time. The pride has blinded them to themselves. As in totally and completely blind. My friend and I hear it at every election no matter who the candidate is these hard core r's say it every time "I am voting r right down the ballot." And they do. This pride is truly a sickness that is beyond my ability to interpret. My friend and I have said it time and time again that they could bring Hitler back from the dead and run him as an r and he would get 80% of the vote in the town I live in. Seriously. And we even add that even if the people knew what Hitler had done and what he was going to do again "they would still vote for him." Again, it is beyond comprehension. That is just the pride aspects. Then you add the arrogance that goes with the "we republicans are just a little better than the rest of you and no matter what you say or what you think we don't care because of how great we are." You can take that thought to the bank. Now this is a very accurate described behavior also. It is subliminal to them but it oozes from every pore when you get up close and listen. And now one last variable. The holier than thou evangelical part of the population self-righteousness. And that is untouchable. Literally. I have never seen it like what it is right now. I mean Pat Robertson right off the bat said “He took me to heaven and I saw donald trump seated at the right hand of our Lord.” That was it. trump was God or a close equivalent. Now that messes with my head. My friend and I hear it all the time. Just as sure as these same people spoke of "hanging Obama" daily up until the last two months of his presidency. These same people don't think, they know trump was put in as the president by God Himself. And so with these 3 variables working intertwined within a human psyche there is a problem. On top of that this whole agenda of white supremacy and all the other r platform principles is who the r party has been seeking to develop into since the party started. This is the first time they have actually gotten all of their platform out in front of the world. And it is ugly. The most ugly set of circumstances and principles I have ever seen in my life. And these people have been led to believe that with these 3 character aspects of their thoughts and deep seeded teachings for all of their life and for generations of time. It is a soul sickness that is not likely to go away anytime soon and because of the depth of these emotional thoughts it is a brainwashing to such a gigantic level it is unimaginable. And thus the disturbance. They are so brainwashed because of these deep heartfelt human beliefs that I don't have any answers as to how to make a change. In some deeper reading I have looked at the only time these people change party affiliation is during times like the Great Depression because it lasted so long and World War II because of how much force was applied to save the world. Otherwise nothing changes their beliefs. It is the very most discouraging aspect of where I live that I have seen in all of my life. I have never seen anything like it. I share this as a concept for others to think about and perhaps come to a full recognition of what we are actually up against concerning these matters. I know one thing, there is no reasoning with them and there is no changing them. It is who they are. Just a thought in kind Nance. Thank you for your words. I appreciate what you do to a gigantic level. Please know that.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
12. Hi, and welcome to DU
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 02:12 AM
Feb 2019

It was hard on my eyes to read your post because it was very long and you should have broken it up with more white space. You should break it all up into separate paragraphs because it’s vey hard to read and most people won’t bother.

I really appreciate what you wrote because it brings a new perspective which is very enlightening and it appears to be a sincere attempt to explain the Trump supporters.

I appreciate and welcome your point of view!

tandgf

(25 posts)
16. Thank you
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 01:55 PM
Feb 2019

Last night when this came into my head I just wrote. And wrote and wrote. Thank you for your advice.

stopwastingmymoney

(2,041 posts)
21. Welcome, I'm glad you're here
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 12:54 AM
Feb 2019

The only answer is that as a nation there are more of us than there are of them. It must be very difficult to live in a place where that isn't so, I wish you the best and I hope being here gives you some comfort. You're not alone and you're not crazy

tandgf

(25 posts)
22. Right on to you
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 04:00 AM
Feb 2019

Thank you very much for your words of support. I have fought to keep my head above the water and not get sucked into the insanity. It is amazing after having grown up in these parts to see how much subliminal natural R'ism naturally becomes part of a persons identity. It seemed so normalized. I see. I know. I am done. The obvious has become clear. I sure appreciate the little kind gestures that come my way as I continue forward towards the better and higher truth. Again, thanks for your gentle nudging of support !!!

Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
13. Well said and spot on.
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 09:13 AM
Feb 2019

"...pride, arrogance and self-righteousness..." You broke it down into motivators underlying the thinking/behavior and I couldn't agree more. Break those three down further (along with any other character defect you can imagine) and underlying it all is fear. Fear, indifference and humility are (for the most part) the fundamental emotional/psychological states in which we exist. So guess which state drives/underlies absurd thinking/behavior?
These people are not dumb. But many are authoritarians (fear driven) and most display not a modicum of self-awareness; they are not critical thinkers (as exemplified by their passionate embrace and defense of the absurdity of religion) and they do not, and cannot, see their own flaws.
So how can they be expected to address a problem they don't even know exists? They can't. No one has the ability to be even moderately self-aware without input from another/others and their "pride, arrogance and self-righteousness" (fear) will not allow them to do so.
So how do we promote self-awareness, critical thinking and the absence of fear to these poor people? How do you promote humility (absence of fear) to people who refuse to even consider it? By example. By calm, rational, non-confrontational conversation. Those are the only things I can think of. Unfortunately, most people will only take a hard look at their thinking/behavior when absolutely forced to by undergoing some personal catastrophe.

tandgf

(25 posts)
15. no answers
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 01:48 PM
Feb 2019

I agree with your words. I have no answers and I am no longer interested in attempting to discuss these thoughts with the r's. They either act as if they are going to walk away to show their distaste or they start yelling. Where I have actually gotten is to support what I believe to offer goodness for those that believe in the D platform. Any attempt at changing the others is wasted energy of which I could have used to find a better truth for the people. All of the people. That last statement may have sounded closed minded. That is not the case. I just know where I live and the rarity to have discussions with these people with any expectation of having any common ground.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
29. I know what you are saying
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 11:01 AM
Feb 2019

Because I left a Southern Baptist Church after hearing the Pastor tell me who I should vote against, guess who?

Still on the Prayer Chain I received a Sermon comparing Trump to Winston Churchill. Trmp was not perfect, but neither was Churchill. Both great messengers! Yuck!

I did give the sender of that email a nice? Email. Iwas already gone.

The ignorance and hero worship is appalling. I understand they are losing people, especially the younger, educated .

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
11. I have nothing to add to your words
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 02:01 AM
Feb 2019

Except to say you’re using too many large vocabulary words for MAGATs to understand. You gotta dumb it down sister!

The Wizard

(12,536 posts)
17. Gratuitous cruelty is not an American value.
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 05:20 PM
Feb 2019

Those who practice it must be put in cages and separated from normal people. Trump and the current version of the Republican are far outside the parameters of normal human behavior.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
19. Why would it be?
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 09:54 PM
Feb 2019

If we had a female president who conducted herself the same way with respect to Putin as Trump has, and I made the same reference, would it suddenly be different?

The image of Trump "fellating Putin" is, IMHO, perfectly on point when describing Spanky's behaviour towards Vlad - on his knees, submissive, and attempting to pleasure a man he is more than willing to grovel before.

And just BTW, I am the extremely proud mother of a lesbian. So you can put your "not so subtle homophobia" comments in the appropriate orifice.

struggle4progress

(118,237 posts)
23. Senator makes false national emergency claim
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 04:31 AM
Feb 2019

By AMANDA SEITZ
February 21, 2019

... CRAMER: “Barack Obama declared a national emergency to fight swine flu and we didn’t have a single case of it in the United States.”

THE FACTS: Cramer is wrong. More than 1,000 people had died in the U.S. from the flu strain known as H1N1, commonly called the swine flu, by the time Obama declared a national emergency over the outbreak Oct. 23, 2009, according to reporting by The Associated Press.

The first swine flu death in the U.S. was reported in April 2009. By the time of Obama’s declaration, widespread flu activity was reported in 46 states.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates the flu strain was linked to more than 274,000 hospitalizations and 12,000 deaths in the U.S. between April 2009 and April 2010, according to final figures released in 2011. The 2009 swine flu was particularly devastating for people younger than 65, according to a 2012 CDC report ...

https://www.apnews.com/5b5eb06cbe9b4d829c393dda18b76e74

 

brandnewday2009

(287 posts)
24. Yes, Nance!
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 07:14 PM
Feb 2019

What a comprehensive, rhetorically superb piece of writing. Your editorial powers tap into my opinions of TheRump and his MAGAt cult exactly. A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++!

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
27. Why would anyone want to trust anything that comes from the "gut?" There's only one thing that comes
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:03 AM
Feb 2019

from it and most people are relieved to dispose of it.

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