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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsi like this Pete Buttigieg guy.
Just watched the segment of Morning Joe. He makes a lot of sense. He effortlessly and in a very friendly manner made Joe Scarborough look like an outdated demagogue. I felt as if Joe thought he was throwing all his gotcha questions at him and Buttigieg could not be got. Especially when it came to the question of "socialism" and "capitalism" - he resisted being pigeonholed with great skill.
I really like him. I don't know if he has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination, but I am very impressed. Sadly most of the media will have Schultz on 10 times before they even mention Buttigieg's name (incredibly difficult name!). I hope that changes.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)barbtries
(28,769 posts)I directed him to go look him up, even spelled his name for him. lol
True Dough
(17,246 posts)And, like you, I think he stands no chance at winning the nomination -- at least not this year. But at 37, he has a bright future. Hopefully he keeps climbing the ladder in the years to come.
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Vinca
(50,236 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)I think the winner will be someone who has mastered modern media and can redefine liberalism the way Trump has redefined conservatism. Buttigieg wins on both counts. As the primaries get closer, his media savvy will attract more attention.
I will be looking closely at how he handles the inevitable attacks from the right wing.
barbtries
(28,769 posts)I'd love to see him gain more coverage. Not ready to send money just yet (recently lost my job), but I will be watching him closely and it could come to that. I could see that happening.
murielm99
(30,716 posts)LonePirate
(13,408 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)He was indeed very impressive: well informed, well spoken, pragmatic yet idealistic, and pretty darned charismatic.
However ... despite the fact that he has done great things for his (fairly small) city of South Bend ... both his age and the fact that no mayor has ever ascended to the presidency mean that his candidacy is very unlikely to go beyond the category of "long shot." But that said, I do think he should persist in it for as long as he can: the chance to make himself known on a national level could ultimately make him a super-strong candidate to run for the Senate from Indiana in the future. And lord knows, Indiana (and the rest of us) could really use a senator such as him!
I hope that is his game plan. In the meantime, his voice will offer a welcome (and quite different) perspective to the debates.
barbtries
(28,769 posts)on most media i have seen when they list the candidates they don't even include his name. yet Schultz the billionaire who has capriciously decided that he can be president and can only be a spoiler, is on several shows. it's maddening.
What I really want from every candidate is that they just follow their own beliefs. Don't hedge, don't sidestep, just make the case for what you believe. I feel as if this is what Buttigieg is doing here. I was impressed by Amy Klobuchar (sic?) the other day on Rachel. Kamala Harris ticks all my boxes (young, black, woman), but I've already seen her respond to a question with a non-answer during an interview. I can't recall the specifics but it disappointed me.
Anyhow. Lots and lots of time to see how this all plays out.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)By higher office, I'm thinking the US House.
moose65
(3,166 posts)Can anyone write me out a phonetic way to pronounce his last name?
blogslut
(37,982 posts)State the Obvious
(842 posts)W_HAMILTON
(7,835 posts)librechik
(30,673 posts)he seems phenomenal.
BannonsLiver
(16,294 posts)Experience. Needs more. Not ready. Those are what usually follow in any thread about Beto ORourke, but so far not a peep about it in this thread despite PG being 10 years younger and having only held a municipal govt. position in a small to medium sized city. Funny that.
NCChomskyan
(77 posts)and he keeps knocking his answer out of the park. It is hard to watch his Morning Joe interview, in its entirety, and come here questioning his experience. At times, the interview felt like they wanted him to fall flat. Brzezinski even presented her first questions as if she was administering a quiz on foreign policy. When they asked about his experience, his answer seemed to leave the table deflated. They were dying for him to step in it, and he never did.
One of his points really stands out: he has more managerial executive experience than many members of both houses of Congress. He's right. There is an urgency in decision making that someone at his executive level has that someone like Beto may not.
I get what you're saying, by the way. I would rise to Beto's defense, as well. Experience is a lark that is trotted out every election year, but never when it actually needs to be applied. I have way more concerns about Howard Schultz's inexperience, for instance, than I do Beto's or Buttigieg's. But the media persists in casting doubt on both, while billionaires with no experience in or even intellectual familiarity with governance get a pass.
BannonsLiver
(16,294 posts)But am annoyed with and tempted to mock those around here who will raise the experience issue with one candidate and not the other. You seem to get that so not aimed at you but theres at least 2 people in the thread who have lavished praise on Pete but had concerns about ORourke almost entirely because of experience.
bullwinkle428
(20,628 posts)regards to either Beto or Pete. Once either or both has officially declared his candidacy, they will more than have the chance to prove their readiness to handle the job based on their debate performance, the way they answer the serious questions, how they handle the attacks from the right, etc. Barack Obama certainly didn't have boatloads of experience on the national stage, and look how he handled it...'nuff said!
LittleGirl
(8,279 posts)Honestly, when I heard about my hometown mayor (I haven't lived there in a decade at least, that round), I was shocked. Like, are you kidding me?
But he's the real deal. He's done some great things in town and he's got executive experience, military and is married to his husband. I think that's good enough for me. His father just passed .He was a professor at the University of Notre Dame. Students loved his father. Good family roots. I'd vote for him if I could.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Loubee
(165 posts)True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Telling Joe that Socialist was just a word thrown out when some one had an idea fixed Joe. Joe was determined to make him look bad.
They immediately went to Mika and the panel who allowed him to talk and explain ideas. I have been watching Pete for a long time. Mayor of South Bend, Indiana. Personality, full of Progressive ideas. Sense of humor.
Traildogbob
(8,674 posts)Was very impressed with all he said. Joe could have kept his pie hole shut about socialism though. We have a very intelligent field of ppl.
justie18
(169 posts)His responses to Joe were so beautiful, it left Joe completely deflated. Then it was time for the rest of the panel - they bombed and he soared!
He is the dark horse candidate.
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)I am officially undecided, but I'd root for that ticket just to see the 4-foot-long bumper stickers.
barbtries
(28,769 posts)that was good for a heart. still laughing
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)mobeau69
(11,132 posts)barbtries
(28,769 posts)clearly a thoughtful, bright and insightful young man even then.
mobeau69
(11,132 posts)I worked for days on an essay about Carolyn McCarthy, who had run for Congress on gun policy issues after her husband was shot and killed on the Long Island Rail Road. I had nearly finished the essay when I went online to research a couple last details and found out that the previous years winner had written about the same person. I would have to start from scratch.
Rushing to come up with an alternate plan, I decided to write about someone I had found even more interesting, if a little more edgy politically. An obscure Vermont congressman, Bernie Sanders, had been reelected for years as a socialist in a (then) generally Republican state. At a time when vagueness and opportunism in politics seemed to be the order of the day, here was an elected official who succeeded by being totally transparent and relentless about his values. Socialist was the dirtiest word in politics, yet he won because people saw that he came by his values honestly. Regardless of whether you agreed politically, it certainly seemed like a profile in courage to me.
https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/02/12/pete-buttigieg-37-president-2020-south-bend-indiana-mayor
After graduating in 2004, he did research for the Kerry-Edwards campaign and worked for former Defense Secretary William Cohen as a conference planner. In the summer of 2005, he sharpened his language skills in a Tunis classroom, where he took a course in Arabic (Buttigieg would likely be the first American president to be conversant in the language, though he admits it has become rusty). Later, he won a Rhodes Scholarship that took him to Oxford for two years, when he studied analytic philosophy, politics, and economics, taking an honors degree in 2007. All of which he put to use back in Chicago in 2007, where he worked for three years at McKinsey & Co., the storied management consultancy, where his salary was more than double his mayoral salary of $102,000. His area of specialty was relatively mundane juxtaposed with his vaunted credentials: grocery store pricing.
https://www.indianapolismonthly.com/features/pete-buttigieg-has-his-eye-on-the-prize/
This is not good.
barbtries
(28,769 posts)i see that "this is not good" is your sig line, but is there something not good about Buttigieg specifically? i can be dense...
mobeau69
(11,132 posts)barbtries
(28,769 posts)we keep being re-traumatized.
JustAnotherGen
(31,780 posts)blaze
(6,345 posts)i think i linked a youtube below as well.
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TheCatQueen
(27 posts)He is so thoughtful, engaging, and well-spoken. He has a bright future!
elleng
(130,732 posts)How to pronounce Pete Buttigieg
rogue emissary
(3,147 posts)A no go fore in the primaries at least. General election is blue no matter who.
krkaufman
(13,433 posts)See:
barbtries
(28,769 posts)i thought i had posted it but apparently never hit the send button. thank you!