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dsc

(52,130 posts)
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:13 AM Feb 2019

As a gay man watching Joy Reid discuss Northam is kind of surreal

She still, to my knowledge, has refused to even admit that the statements about gays and lesbians she blogged are even hers. I have to wonder where she gets the nerve to discuss this.

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As a gay man watching Joy Reid discuss Northam is kind of surreal (Original Post) dsc Feb 2019 OP
I don't watch her anymore because of that janterry Feb 2019 #1
I only watch Maddow when she is on, don't bother watching any other network program nt yaesu Feb 2019 #34
As a straight man, I was thinking the same thing. stopbush Feb 2019 #2
I used to watch her now i'm watching Gunsmoke. dem4decades Feb 2019 #3
sort of like ...... a wall..... pangaia Feb 2019 #28
She extensively apologized. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #4
No she didn't dsc Feb 2019 #5
Did she ever finally admit that there was no hacking? oberliner Feb 2019 #8
To my knowledge no dsc Feb 2019 #10
I don't go out of my way to watch her and I definitely don't look at her the same. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #12
I rarely watch her but did make a point to watch her today dsc Feb 2019 #15
It is so hard to be morally true. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #16
Not directly. She said she cannot prove her account was hacked still_one Feb 2019 #56
Maybe she should revisit that subject oberliner Feb 2019 #61
Northam has apologized for this photo as well oberliner Feb 2019 #7
He should have claimed his yearbook was hacked and the FBI is looking in to it. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #11
Or someone went back in the Hot Tub Time Machine and forced him to do it. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #17
His "that was not me in the photo" potential statement is sort of like that oberliner Feb 2019 #24
When he got caught, my understanding is Reid showed remorse BEFORE those post were brought up again uponit7771 Feb 2019 #33
Naw. demmiblue Feb 2019 #13
So she stands by the hacking claim? oberliner Feb 2019 #25
I didn't realize her explanation was so preposterous Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #45
"and I'm not the person I was then"....wow Demonaut Feb 2019 #46
As an LGBTQ person I can no longer watch her. She apologized after she lied. 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #6
As a gay woman, I completely agree. cwydro Feb 2019 #9
When I turn on Rachel show and Joy is the sub, I turn off immediately, but not because Joy is not empedocles Feb 2019 #14
She is not in elected office. cilla4progress Feb 2019 #18
It doesn't matter. People like to take these hard line positions. Yup she said something I didn't UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #19
NO that isn't what we were saying dsc Feb 2019 #21
I choose to look at and focus on the 99% she gets right. Bottom line she is one of the good UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #23
Yes, it DOES matter. People are free not to watch her. Virginians are NOT FREE to turn off Northam. pnwmom Feb 2019 #37
but what if Virginians still WANTED him to be Governor ? would that be reason for him to stay ? JI7 Feb 2019 #54
Not at this point. An opinion poll wouldn't cut it. Are you aware that the Florida Secretary of pnwmom Feb 2019 #55
Why should we have different standards treestar Feb 2019 #63
Good point. borgesian Feb 2019 #20
Owned up to it, sure. namahage Feb 2019 #47
He's lying. Iggo Feb 2019 #66
It's pretty obvious you didn't watch his press conference. lunatica Feb 2019 #49
I'm straight and I agree with you rollin74 Feb 2019 #22
A lot of the things being said today are relevant to other forms of bigotry. yardwork Feb 2019 #26
I think Joy's shows are excellent but you raise a very spooky3 Feb 2019 #27
I began wondering last night why we seem ready to dflprincess Feb 2019 #29
Equating racism and racist behavior? HipChick Feb 2019 #30
So hating gays is better than hating other races dsc Feb 2019 #31
It is certainly more acceptable here on du. Tipperary Feb 2019 #51
As an ally I will not watch her. MuseRider Feb 2019 #32
Last I checked Joy Reid wasn't holding elective office. People are free not to watch her, pnwmom Feb 2019 #35
Thaaank You! djacq Feb 2019 #38
So if tomorrow we found out that Sean Hannity dsc Feb 2019 #40
I would say it's not comparable to the Governor. Still. pnwmom Feb 2019 #43
That wasn't the question melman Feb 2019 #59
I wasn't talking to you. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #60
I didn't say you were melman Feb 2019 #62
That's a real dodge treestar Feb 2019 #65
Tulsi Gabbard is running for President. treestar Feb 2019 #67
LOL. You must have missed it. Others complain that I post way too much pnwmom Feb 2019 #68
I missed that. But good to be consistent. treestar Feb 2019 #70
LOL! Straw man! Like Maddow, who is gay, would lunatica Feb 2019 #50
As a gay man myself I wish that were the case FreeState Feb 2019 #69
1.4 million people didn't go to the polls and cast ballots for Joy Reid. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #42
She is under contract with MSNBC. She was assuredly one of their key players when this came out. Mr. Ected Feb 2019 #36
Why I care less about what Joy Reid said than I do about Northam's Goodheart Feb 2019 #39
You make an excellent point. In the case of Joy Reid all they need to do is change the cannel. still_one Feb 2019 #57
Oh, but it is very different - don't you know. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #41
I haven't watched her since that came out. I wonder if the FBI is still looking into it. Autumn Feb 2019 #44
I won't watch her Raine Feb 2019 #48
As the daughter of a gay man, watching Tulsi Gabbard campaign for President pnwmom Feb 2019 #52
It does make you wonder. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #53
I still watch her, but... Mike Nelson Feb 2019 #58
Is she taking a side? treestar Feb 2019 #64
 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
1. I don't watch her anymore because of that
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:18 AM
Feb 2019

and it begets the question - what is the path back - when you have been wrong.

It reminds me of Franken, he said (to my ear) the right things. And yet, there was no path for him.

Northam's error was worse, looks worse. But who gets a path back? Those who lie? Those who shrug their shoulders and move ahead (think trump)
Or those who tell the truth and try to make amends.

Even if someone doesn't like Northam and doesn't think he deserves that path back

we still have to have a path....

stopbush

(24,378 posts)
2. As a straight man, I was thinking the same thing.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:19 AM
Feb 2019

I was waiting for one of her guests to say, “Joy, you have personal experience in having bigotted comments that you wrote in the past come back to bite you. How did you handle the public outcry?”

dem4decades

(11,244 posts)
3. I used to watch her now i'm watching Gunsmoke.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:23 AM
Feb 2019

Turned our on early and there's a "preacher" offering 58 days of blessings for $58.

Scary.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
5. No she didn't
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:28 AM
Feb 2019

I watched what was billed as her apology. Even in it she still didn't admit which, if any, statements she was taking responsibility for. She didn't address her insane hacking theory. You can't apologize for that which you don't acknowledge.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
10. To my knowledge no
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:33 AM
Feb 2019

I am willing to admit I am wrong if I am, but I have never heard her say or seen a report about her that she did.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
15. I rarely watch her but did make a point to watch her today
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:38 AM
Feb 2019

It is sad because she was a good journalist but her handling of those posts was not acceptable.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
45. I didn't realize her explanation was so preposterous
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 10:24 PM
Feb 2019

Thanks for the video. I seldom watch her but now I won't at all

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
14. When I turn on Rachel show and Joy is the sub, I turn off immediately, but not because Joy is not
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:37 AM
Feb 2019

'pure' enough.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
19. It doesn't matter. People like to take these hard line positions. Yup she said something I didn't
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:14 PM
Feb 2019

like, she offended me here....that policy isn't progressive enough. Whatever there are lots of hard lines around with everything.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
21. NO that isn't what we were saying
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:20 PM
Feb 2019

Joy did say some horrible things and if she had admitted it and apologized that would be one thing. But she is a journalist and author. She claimed her blog was hacked, a claim she STILL hasn't withdrawn, and has done the opposite of apologizing. Her job is literally to produce words and be factual. The fact she lied and STILL hasn't withdrawn that lie. Her entire job is about trust.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
23. I choose to look at and focus on the 99% she gets right. Bottom line she is one of the good
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:26 PM
Feb 2019

ones even if she told a lie.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
37. Yes, it DOES matter. People are free not to watch her. Virginians are NOT FREE to turn off Northam.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:07 PM
Feb 2019

They can't even not vote for him again because it's a one term state.

JI7

(89,186 posts)
54. but what if Virginians still WANTED him to be Governor ? would that be reason for him to stay ?
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 06:44 AM
Feb 2019

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
55. Not at this point. An opinion poll wouldn't cut it. Are you aware that the Florida Secretary of
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 07:02 AM
Feb 2019

State, a Republican, quit a couple weeks ago because they unearthed a picture in blackface? So this isn't just wrong for Democrats. It's wrong for anyone.

borgesian

(52 posts)
20. Good point.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:16 PM
Feb 2019

It does show a profound lack of self-awareness. There's nothing wrong with expecting a certain standard of behavior from others, but one should be able to walk the walk, and let their own behavior serve as an example. At least Northam, regardless of how you feel about his actions, owned up to his mistake and didn't try to weasel his way out of it. That's more than we can say for Joy.

namahage

(1,157 posts)
47. Owned up to it, sure.
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 02:54 AM
Feb 2019

Only took about 35 years or so.

But wait...what's this?

"I believe now and then that I am not either of the people in this photo," Northam said, denying that he had ever worn a KKK robe and hood or been drunk enough to forget a moment like this. "This was not me in that picture. That was not Ralph Northam."
The racist photograph, which was obtained by CNN, appears in the 1984 Eastern Virginia Medical School yearbook and shows one person dressed in blackface and another in the KKK's signature white hood and robes.

Iggo

(47,489 posts)
66. He's lying.
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 11:37 AM
Feb 2019

He said he never saw the picture before a staffer showed it to him last week.

And he also says "I believe then and now" that it ain't him. He believed back then that a picture he'd never seen in a yearbook he never bought wasn't him?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
49. It's pretty obvious you didn't watch his press conference.
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 05:28 AM
Feb 2019

He claimed repeatedly that it wasn’t him in the picture. Then he admitted to doing blackface and dressing up as Michael Jackson for a dance contest. But a black acquaintance told him how offensive that was, which he had never realized. Keep in mind all this happened in the 1980s, a time of political correctness about race and gender issues. 20 years after the Civil Rights Act, MLK Jr and the feminist movement. A time that, in retrospect was much more enlightened than the current Trump era which seems to have de-evolved at least 2 centuries, when white men were the only group who had rights.

spooky3

(34,304 posts)
27. I think Joy's shows are excellent but you raise a very
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:43 PM
Feb 2019

good point.

Do we believe that adults can significantly change views on important issues? Do their acts since doing bad things matter? Etc.

dflprincess

(28,057 posts)
29. I began wondering last night why we seem ready to
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:59 PM
Feb 2019

Believe that people can and have "evolved" on LBGTQ issues but the same isn't believed to be true about race.

I don't know if Northam should resign or not. If he's a closet racist of course he should. I do think we shouldn't be so fast to jump on a bandwagon to support another right wing hit job.

MuseRider

(34,060 posts)
32. As an ally I will not watch her.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 01:13 PM
Feb 2019

She will not admit what she said, she is NOT an ally. She is a journalist. She still has not settled it yet she is allowed to be a journalist. I feel the same way about Brian Williams but not nearly as much since he did not take out other people with his words. I can easily forgive someone who honestly admits to being wrong and makes shown that they are willing to work to correct the influence they had when they said what they said. I do not see that and after this much time I will probably never trust her. It is what it is. You all have lost much with this kind of talk from people who have lots of ears. We continue to work, progress has been good but not there yet.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
35. Last I checked Joy Reid wasn't holding elective office. People are free not to watch her,
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:05 PM
Feb 2019

and I rarely do.

djacq

(1,633 posts)
38. Thaaank You!
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:20 PM
Feb 2019

This has been the most stupid and ignorant thread that I have ever read on DU.

Might consider resigning my membership.

dsc

(52,130 posts)
40. So if tomorrow we found out that Sean Hannity
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:24 PM
Feb 2019

or even Rachel Maddow appeared in black face in their college year books you would say well they're just journalists no big deal? I am pretty willing to bet you would say no such thing. But since it was anti gay speech and not racist speech you have a different standard.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
43. I would say it's not comparable to the Governor. Still.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:38 PM
Feb 2019

Last edited Sun Feb 3, 2019, 08:28 AM - Edit history (2)

It has nothing to do with race versus orientation. I have a different standard for TV shows I can simply turn off vs. politicians who nobody can turn off except every several years at the ballot box.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
62. I didn't say you were
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 08:56 AM
Feb 2019

But it's quite clear you avoided answering, and it's quite clear the reason is you knew there wasn't a good way to answer.

Either way looks bad. You obviously can can't say it would be okay...but you can't say it wouldn't be okay because then you'd have to explain what makes it different. Which you couldn't do. So you just ducked the question.

Of course you've now edited but anyone can see the original post I responded to simply said "I would say it's not comparable. Still"

treestar

(82,383 posts)
67. Tulsi Gabbard is running for President.
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 12:45 PM
Feb 2019

Because of her previous anti-gay stances, I can safely conclude that you will not support her?

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
68. LOL. You must have missed it. Others complain that I post way too much
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 05:33 PM
Feb 2019

against Tulsi Gabbard. Of the "serious" candidates, she is the one I can't imagine supporting.

But it isn't only her awful stances about LGBT -- that and other things she does all spring from her involvement with Chris Butler's "foundation."

FreeState

(10,553 posts)
69. As a gay man myself I wish that were the case
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 08:20 PM
Feb 2019

But there are plenty of racist gays. Being gay doesn’t remove you from society.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
36. She is under contract with MSNBC. She was assuredly one of their key players when this came out.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:07 PM
Feb 2019

Her failure to offer a formal apology may have been influenced by her employer. She did disappear for a long time before quietly reappearing lately.

I have no idea, just throwing out fodder for discussion.

Goodheart

(5,264 posts)
39. Why I care less about what Joy Reid said than I do about Northam's
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:24 PM
Feb 2019

Because Northam is in a more important position.

Kamala was correct: our political leaders should be held to higher standards.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
41. Oh, but it is very different - don't you know.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:32 PM
Feb 2019

Back in the dark ages (2010 and earlier), even the most progressive politicians didn't support special rights for LGBT people - so unless her statements were post 2010, she doesn't really even have anything to apologize for.

In case I have to:

Autumn

(44,765 posts)
44. I haven't watched her since that came out. I wonder if the FBI is still looking into it.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:02 PM
Feb 2019

Or if they ever did.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
48. I won't watch her
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 04:31 AM
Feb 2019

when she fills in for Rachel or is a guest on another show I immediately change the channel. I'm not gay but I can't stand the sight of her.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
52. As the daughter of a gay man, watching Tulsi Gabbard campaign for President
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 06:00 AM
Feb 2019

is worse than surreal.

She said as recently as 2015 that she hadn't changed her personal views on the subject. She just no longer thinks her religious views should be imposed on anyone else.

But now we're supposed to believe she's undergone a change of heart.

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
58. I still watch her, but...
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 07:31 AM
Feb 2019

… this would have been a perfect time to bring up her experiences and reflect on them. There are ways they are the same and ways they are different. I guess she has determined it's better to stay off that... but she could have provided to insight into the Governor's feelings. They both became different people and had "horrified" reactions to the offensive material... maybe part of that is blocking out some of the past and being confused by the sudden appearance of something they buried and left for dead.



treestar

(82,383 posts)
64. Is she taking a side?
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 11:24 AM
Feb 2019

That is, if urging him to resign, it would be somewhat inconsistent, without the holding office vs. being a journalist distinction.

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