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Bilegurken

(58 posts)
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:17 PM Jan 2019

I've been reading some stuff about Tulsi Gabbard. I am conflicted......

I can't quite pin down her positions on some issues. And on others, I feel like she is not authentic.
I heard her family was really anti-gay in Hawaii, but then she fought against it. Then I see her hanging out with Modi and Rohrabacher and makes me go.....hmm.....

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I've been reading some stuff about Tulsi Gabbard. I am conflicted...... (Original Post) Bilegurken Jan 2019 OP
Trust your Spider Sense when it's tingling! Anon-C Jan 2019 #1
Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #2
Check this out. The Wielding Truth Jan 2019 #3
Read the following extensively researched post & join the fight... Hekate Jan 2019 #4
Agree! pazzyanne Jan 2019 #5
Holy shiitake! Bilegurken Jan 2019 #9
Unfortunately I find that particular post to be less than compelling. moriah Jan 2019 #22
She is suspect. Avoid! apcalc Jan 2019 #6
Doesn't matter for anyone outside of Hawaii. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #7
What issue? Bilegurken Jan 2019 #8
The op referenced her anti-gay past. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #10
And I am not really holding that against her. Bilegurken Jan 2019 #11
I found the other items to be too ambiguous to comment on. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #13
As recently as 2015 she said she is still against gay marriage in her PERSONAL VIEWS. pnwmom Jan 2019 #21
Glad she's a Democrat (just as I'm glad that Manchin is a Democrat) NurseJackie Jan 2019 #12
Ok, I'm being serious here. ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #15
I don't remember Munchin defending asad AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #16
True. ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #17
That's pretty much it. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #24
That's true. Manchin is in a much redder state. Also he's more consistent as a moderate. pnwmom Jan 2019 #20
she is dangerous AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #14
Thank you for this! That's my take on her as well Trailrider1951 Jan 2019 #18
Just customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #19
Tulsi Gabbard's 2020 Campaign May Be Over Before It Starts Cha Jan 2019 #23
I'm not conflicted at all octoberlib Jan 2019 #25
I am NOT conficted. She is no better than Lieberman etc. themaguffin Jan 2019 #26
Unfortunately, most of the "progressive" candidates who are Perrenial Voter Jan 2019 #27
Check out what Chapo is saying about her. Bilegurken Jan 2019 #28
she is STILL against impeachment cvoogt Sep 2019 #29

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. Welcome to DU.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:23 PM
Jan 2019

We both know that an essential part of the primary process is discussing these types of issues.

Hekate

(90,848 posts)
4. Read the following extensively researched post & join the fight...
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:30 PM
Jan 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211667912

Frankly, I begin to suspect that Tulsi is as much a Democrat as Trump is a Republican.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
22. Unfortunately I find that particular post to be less than compelling.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:26 PM
Jan 2019

Going on too much about gurus and such, and not enough about easily ascertained facts.

Such as that she doesn't wholeheartedly support LGBT rights or choice, and her attempts to justify her views fall flat when she accuses people of "religious bigotry" to ask a judicial nominee who said they supported chipping away at Roe "bit by bit" as AG if they can put aside those personal views and be unbiased on the bench. By saying objection to theocracy was what made her "change her tune" about legislation of morality, she not only acknowledges both that she's still anti-LGBT and anti-choice, but that not everyone CAN put aside those views and follow the Constitution. So why object to the question?

As far as Presidential candidates go, I want someone defending rights they actually believe in, vs IMHO are only voting for them to keep political viability in their more liberal state. Some others have hedged on marriage equality in the past likely for political motivations, but they didn't call gay people "homosexual extremists" for wanting equality and anti-bullying programs, either.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
7. Doesn't matter for anyone outside of Hawaii.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:46 PM
Jan 2019

She is currently voting as she should on the issue and is a non-starter in the democratic primary.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
10. The op referenced her anti-gay past.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:51 PM
Jan 2019

It has also been what has mostly been discussed the last couple of days.

 

Bilegurken

(58 posts)
11. And I am not really holding that against her.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:53 PM
Jan 2019

She's changed on that position a whole lot from what I read.

Its the other stuff I am talking about.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
13. I found the other items to be too ambiguous to comment on.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:02 PM
Jan 2019

My comment would still be the same. I’m not trying to figure out if I would vote for her in yhe primaries nor am I trying to figure her out. I don’t like her much.

pnwmom

(109,000 posts)
21. As recently as 2015 she said she is still against gay marriage in her PERSONAL VIEWS.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:09 PM
Jan 2019

It's just not her political view anymore.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
12. Glad she's a Democrat (just as I'm glad that Manchin is a Democrat)
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:57 PM
Jan 2019

... but as a presidential candidate? She doesn't stand a chance. Not a chance!

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
15. Ok, I'm being serious here.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:04 PM
Jan 2019

Manchin is from WV. Can we really compare him to a person from HI? I don't know the demographics of HI that well, so I'm not sure how well she represents her constituents' interests.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
17. True.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:08 PM
Jan 2019

I think NurseJackie is being a little facetious. We know that Manchin is most likely the best we can expect from a Dem from WV. I don't believe Gabbard is the best we can expect from a Dem from HI. I like Hirono a lot, so my expectations are quite high. I just don't know if I'm being entirely realistic.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
24. That's pretty much it.
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 09:42 AM
Jan 2019

She's definitely not for me, but for some reason that I don't fully understand, her constituents choose her.

pnwmom

(109,000 posts)
20. That's true. Manchin is in a much redder state. Also he's more consistent as a moderate.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:07 PM
Jan 2019

She's all over the map.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
14. she is dangerous
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:03 PM
Jan 2019

david duke just endorsed her. She’s been a darling of alt right for years. She is a useful idiot for far right and total dem hack. I hope she’ll get exposed for what she is.

 

Perrenial Voter

(173 posts)
27. Unfortunately, most of the "progressive" candidates who are
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:10 AM
Jan 2019

running have some some things in their background that are inconsistent with a progressive record. They will all have explanations for this and I suppose one will be more convincing than the others. For me, Kamala Harris has so far explained her record the best. IMO, the reason Bernie Sanders was so popular, and why so many people want him to run again, is because he had a consistent record on economic issues. I think with Warren running, he probably won't run, as he was prepared to defer to her in 2016, but she deferred to Clinton. I'm hoping we can find someone younger than Warren or Sanders, who is not a newly-minted progressive. Gillebrand has a conservative past as does Tulsi Gabbard (who will also get hammered on her religious background), though both bring something to the discussion and are likeable. Warren was also more conservative in the past, but at a time when the economy was less slanted towards the rich than it now is. On foreign policy, though, I'm not sure anyone is ready to break with Israel and Saudi Arabia or transition to a policy in which we are not using the military and diplomacy to enforce a neoliberal regime on the world. Sanders was starting to get there during his campaign, but didn't really have the knowledge to lay out a clear approach.

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