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I didn't know there was a Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory (Original Post) NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 OP
Of course Sherman A1 Dec 2018 #1
I thought it was the Italians. TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #5
I believe they had a hand in it Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #19
That one was attributed to TexasTowelie Jan 2019 #20
I heard but have no factual basis to believe it Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #21
I thought it was the Village People. Liberal Jesus Freak Jan 2019 #27
Why, look at that! They were there. TexasTowelie Jan 2019 #42
forget it, he's rollin'..... lastlib Jan 2019 #41
Animal House... albacore Jan 2019 #17
He was shitposting. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2018 #2
That joke was going around in 2016 also oberliner Dec 2018 #3
actually there really was a conspiracy theory about Pearl Harbor dsc Dec 2018 #4
I will verify that rurallib Jan 2019 #30
Correct. That has been around for years. dameatball Jan 2019 #31
The other conspiracy was that FDR knew about the attack on Peral Harbor, but did nothing so he still_one Dec 2018 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2018 #7
There has been a conspiracy theory for years that FDR knew about the attack and let it happen Trenzalore Dec 2018 #8
Ah, but you miss the important part of this conspiracy theory! PJMcK Jan 2019 #29
1931? johnp3907 Dec 2018 #9
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #10
This is the type of dramatized crap that makes conservatives doubt science. LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #26
Actually the planes didn't have to fly that far. Girard442 Dec 2018 #11
Everyone knows that the pilots sat in the planes while Sumo wrestlers towed them... LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #25
Flat-earther/Mecator Projection/unawareness of aircraft carriers stupidity. brush Dec 2018 #12
Um? johnp3907 Dec 2018 #13
I've heard many times of Japanese cables being intercepted before the attack... brush Dec 2018 #15
It's satire, is what the other poster was trying to tell you. cwydro Jan 2019 #32
Wonder what happened to clarity in writing? brush Jan 2019 #35
The FB group is not for actual flat-earthers.... moriah Jan 2019 #37
Flat-Earther Conspiracy! arthurgoodwin Dec 2018 #14
Nice post, taterguy. Iggo Dec 2018 #16
Before I clicked on the link, I knew it was going to be this map. Igel Jan 2019 #18
Somebody has never played Pac-Man nuxvomica Jan 2019 #22
it looks like it's mocking conspiracy theories JI7 Jan 2019 #23
That's some great navigating, JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2019 #24
Makes complete sense HopeAgain Jan 2019 #28
However, they could've bombed Fort Sumnter Victor_c3 Jan 2019 #33
Good one! dalton99a Jan 2019 #34
David Swanson used to post at DU... SidDithers Jan 2019 #36
Clearly, That Caleb Harris II Guy Is a Flat-Earther, Too. MineralMan Jan 2019 #38
I recall hearing FDR conspiracy theories PatSeg Jan 2019 #39
Fact: Most Japanese pilots in WWII were killed by crashing into the Firmament. Oneironaut Jan 2019 #40

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
21. I heard but have no factual basis to believe it
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 06:02 AM
Jan 2019

The Prairie Grass Restoration Group was supporting their efforts as well.

dsc

(52,161 posts)
4. actually there really was a conspiracy theory about Pearl Harbor
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 10:45 PM
Dec 2018

that FDR knew about it and let it happen in order to gain support for war against Japan.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
6. The other conspiracy was that FDR knew about the attack on Peral Harbor, but did nothing so he
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 10:49 PM
Dec 2018

could use it as a pretext to enter the war.

That conspiracy was bullshit also

I guess it must be a variant of some segment of people who are always too willing to believe something regardless of proof or evidence to the contrary




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Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
8. There has been a conspiracy theory for years that FDR knew about the attack and let it happen
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 11:09 PM
Dec 2018

The crux of the theory is FDR wanted to get involved in WW2 but didn't have the political capital to enter the war.

It is horse shit since we probably wouldn't have let our entire fleet to be sunk.

PJMcK

(22,036 posts)
29. Ah, but you miss the important part of this conspiracy theory!
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 09:41 AM
Jan 2019

FDR wanted the attack on the Pacific Fleet because the ships were antiquated and the Navy needed a modern fighting force. By allowing the Pearl Harbor attacks to destroy much of the Fleet, FDR had the act of war he needed to convince the Congress to enter the Pacific war. Then the Navy could build modern ships for the fight.

At least that's what some dolt told me.

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LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
26. This is the type of dramatized crap that makes conservatives doubt science.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 09:20 AM
Jan 2019

The ancient aliens and other shows that have the same "experts" willing to say anything on camera to make money.

Girard442

(6,070 posts)
11. Actually the planes didn't have to fly that far.
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 11:21 PM
Dec 2018

The Japanese pilots swam, towing the planes through the water with ropes held in their teeth.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
25. Everyone knows that the pilots sat in the planes while Sumo wrestlers towed them...
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 09:14 AM
Jan 2019

The ropes were attached to their Mawashi, the belts they wear. If you tried to hold a rope in your teeth, you would take in too much salt water.

brush

(53,776 posts)
12. Flat-earther/Mecator Projection/unawareness of aircraft carriers stupidity.
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 11:24 PM
Dec 2018

Doesn't get much stupider.

brush

(53,776 posts)
15. I've heard many times of Japanese cables being intercepted before the attack...
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 11:34 PM
Dec 2018

which may have meant an attack was coming but that mercator map theory of planes having to fly that far is ridiculous.

brush

(53,776 posts)
35. Wonder what happened to clarity in writing?
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 11:54 AM
Jan 2019

I said in my earlier post that the OP was obviously from the flat-earther/mercator-projection group. They're apparently new to DU.

Oh, FYI. Here's something that should interest you:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211607970

moriah

(8,311 posts)
37. The FB group is not for actual flat-earthers....
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 12:27 PM
Jan 2019

... or I doubt they'd be comparing Trump to a dodgy date when talking about the wall funding:

"Yeah, so here's the thing... I know I said I was taking you to dinner... and that Mexico would pay for it. But could you, just, like pay for dinner now? And then I'll get Mexico to pay for it ... later?" with a guy holding the dinner tab is their most recent post.

I think the group this was posted to, and the person who deliberately put in the wrong year in the caption for his dumb-beyond-words interpretation of a map and mocking of conspiracy nuts there, is on the side of the good guys.

Edit to add: unfortunately, as they say about the definition of good trolling, some satire (because of the people who are that stupid that exist) is sometimes hard to distinguish from genuine kookiness.

arthurgoodwin

(38 posts)
14. Flat-Earther Conspiracy!
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 11:26 PM
Dec 2018

This is an obvious truth to the flat-earthers, as all the maps make it obvious you cannot go east from Japan to Hawaii without falling off the edge.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
18. Before I clicked on the link, I knew it was going to be this map.
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 12:10 AM
Jan 2019

The map was around before the tweet.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
33. However, they could've bombed Fort Sumnter
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 10:21 AM
Jan 2019

That’s a lot closer. I think the Japanese had something to do with the Civil War.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
36. David Swanson used to post at DU...
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 12:13 PM
Jan 2019

and would, seriously, write almost every year about how FDR knew about the attack before hand.

Hell, he's still going with his Pearl Harbor fantasies.

Sid

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
39. I recall hearing FDR conspiracy theories
Tue Jan 1, 2019, 12:44 PM
Jan 2019

as a child, but not quite as far-fetched as this. More like FDR knew about the coming attack on Pearl Harbor before hand and did nothing to intervene because he wanted the U.S. to get involved in World War II. I think it may have been a relatively common belief among republicans at the time, but I was a child and really had no idea.

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