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Quixote1818

(28,925 posts)
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:58 AM Dec 2018

Looks like Mueller is wrapping up obstruction of justice & collusion, moving to Trump's finances?

What a fucking swamp he has to clean up. Like a bottomless pit!

Re: His business getting 30 subpoenas today and news of the first part of the investigation wrapping up.

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Looks like Mueller is wrapping up obstruction of justice & collusion, moving to Trump's finances? (Original Post) Quixote1818 Dec 2018 OP
The finances will connect the dots Brother Buzz Dec 2018 #1
Separate issues... The 30 subpoenas are part of Emoluments lawsuit discovery process, not Mueller hlthe2b Dec 2018 #2
Yes, I think they will get into Trump's finances Jarqui Dec 2018 #3
NO! He is not wrapping up. That's ridiculous speculation. The evidence says otherwise. manor321 Dec 2018 #4

hlthe2b

(102,188 posts)
2. Separate issues... The 30 subpoenas are part of Emoluments lawsuit discovery process, not Mueller
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:16 AM
Dec 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2-attorneys-general-to-subpoena-trump-organization-irs/2018/12/04/d20a5106-f7fd-11e8-8642-c9718a256cbd_story.html?utm_term=.e1e8b746d08b

2 attorneys general to subpoena Trump Organization, Treasury
The attorneys general of the District of Columbia and Maryland plan to file subpoenas Tuesday seeking records from the Trump Organization, the Treasury Department and dozens of other entities as part of a lawsuit accusing Donald Trump of profiting off the presidency.

The flurry of subpoenas came a day after U.S. District Court Judge Peter J. Messitte approved a brisk schedule for discovery in the case alleging that foreign and domestic government spending at Trump’s Washington, D.C., hotel amounts to gifts to the president in violation of the Constitution’s emoluments clause.

The subpoenas target 37 entities, including 13 Trump-linked entities and the federal agency that oversees the lease for Trump’s Washington hotel. Subpoenas were also being sent to the Department of Defense, General Services Administration, Department of Commerce, Department of Agriculture and the Treasury Department, which have spent taxpayer dollars at the hotel or have information on Trump’s finances relevant to the case.

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
3. Yes, I think they will get into Trump's finances
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:07 AM
Dec 2018

Manafort subsequently plead guilty to conspiracy and witness tampering
Cohen subsequently plead guilty to lying to congress

But prior to those:

Manafort VA crimes (8 convictions, plus 10 admissions of guilt):
5 falsifications of income tax returns,
4 failures to file foreign bank account reports,
4 counts of bank fraud, and
5 counts of bank fraud conspiracy

Cohen's crimes he originally plead guilty to
5 counts of tax evasion
1 count of making an excessive campaign contribution,
1 count of causing an unlawful corporate campaign contribution
1 count of making false statements to a federally insured bank

Do you see the pattern?
They're all financial crimes.

Now they've got the Trump Chief Financial Office for decades, Allen Weisselberg, accepting a grant of immunity to spill Trump's financial beans.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/24/longtime-trump-organization-cfo-weisselberg-granted-immunity-in-cohen-probe-dj-citing-sources.html
He is cooperating with delving into Cohen's crimes

Weisselberg also will have to respond to the Trump Foundation lawsuit as Trump's personal piggy bank according to NY State AG
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/14/politics/new-york-lawsuit-trump-foundation/index.html

Weisselberg will also have to respond to Trump's family empire/entities hit with 30 subpoenas for Emoluments clause investigation. Multiple federal agencies involved.
https://www.sourcepolitics.com/trump-hit-with-30-subpoenas-irs-and-other-entities-involved/

http://oag.dc.gov/sites/default/files/2018-12/Emoluments-Trump-Organization-Subpoenas.pdf?fbclid=IwAR27Iu352Nb9dKFRjzzqwAbHo8C3-yHkFlmr00PXU4mjMvTYchBUKdmUYqA

Mueller has allegedly subpoenaed Deutsche Banks banking records for Trump
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-05/deutsche-bank-said-to-be-subpoenaed-by-mueller
Duetsche Bank has connections with Kremlin controlled VTB bank and were fined for money laundering. VTB are alleged to have been in the loop to help finance the Trump tower in Moscow

There are some reports that stated Mueller already had Trump's tax returns.

Here's the point: you can lie about what you might have said to a Russian on the phone or at a dinner but it is much harder to lie about financial transactions because they leave an audit trail.

Follow the money. Robert Mueller has a lot more power to do that than two young Washington Post reporters did for Watergate.

When they couldn't get him on murder, they got Al Capone on tax evasion.
They did something very similar for Manafort and Cohen.

It is inevitable that they're going down this road to get Donald Trump.

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