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bitterross

(4,066 posts)
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:24 PM Nov 2018

Maybe we should wait and see what AOC does instead of going berserk now.

I'm seeing a lot of people exercising a lot of energy talking about some things a freshman representative has said. Sure, she has some big ideas and some frustrations with how things are currently. So does every person entering Congress I suspect. That's why they run. We should be happy about that.

I just think since she hasn't even taken the oath or taken the first vote or action in congress we're wasting a hell of a lot of time on nothing. While we do that, FOX Noise, Daily Caller and all the rest are fanning the flames with their reporting and enjoying the hell out of us taking the bait and arguing over nothing.

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Maybe we should wait and see what AOC does instead of going berserk now. (Original Post) bitterross Nov 2018 OP
She's telling the world JustAnotherGen Nov 2018 #1
Politicians talk big all the time. They have big plans too. bitterross Nov 2018 #3
Tom gave us a very limited list JustAnotherGen Nov 2018 #6
:) How nice that you have Tom to work with in your Hortensis Nov 2018 #12
++++ JHan Nov 2018 #15
I think she is great. pwb Nov 2018 #2
She won. We can start there. I don't support primary-ing incumbents. bitterross Nov 2018 #7
She didn't run in a low-income district, Pwb, and she Hortensis Nov 2018 #13
Median household income in Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #18
I'm fine with it. Nothing wrong with getting more progressive Democrats Autumn Nov 2018 #4
When someone says they will primary sitting democrats risking the seat in many cases I Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #5
As I posted above. I'm not for primary-ing incumbents. bitterross Nov 2018 #9
Yea, I wonder why people seem to be so fearful of her. Kaleva Nov 2018 #14
i think it has something to do with Bernie supporting her early on. jalan48 Nov 2018 #19
There are many who don't like Bernie Kaleva Nov 2018 #20
Exactly. jalan48 Nov 2018 #21
I agree...she did however endorse opponents of sitting Democrats for example Senator Tom Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #17
+1 Small-Axe Nov 2018 #10
Thanks Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #16
I can't help thinking that she's making a rod for her own back. OnDoutside Nov 2018 #8
So far she's been irritating me into a berserk condition UTUSN Nov 2018 #11
Are you saying we shouldn't believe her when she says she already wants pnwmom Nov 2018 #22
Nah, don't wait for facts before condemnation! BlueWI Nov 2018 #23
She is 1 Congress critter out of hundreds. phleshdef Nov 2018 #24
Republicans will move on th their next ratf*cking job by next week...no worries. pecosbob Nov 2018 #25

JustAnotherGen

(31,879 posts)
1. She's telling the world
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:28 PM
Nov 2018

What she intends to do. No one is going berserk.

Irritated that they haven't taken an oath and are already on their next election? You betcha.


They need to repeal the SALT cap, stop fracking, expand Medicare, and call Trump to the floor.

And if she can't relate to that then - I'm glad Malinowski can. She better not step in the toes of my Congressman who ran on the promise to DO HIS JOB.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
3. Politicians talk big all the time. They have big plans too.
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:37 PM
Nov 2018

The number of promises and goals politicians have when they enter office is usually quite large. The number they retain once the get there is never anywhere near what they ran on or planned on.

Since there is no well-funded group behind her rhetoric as there was with the Tea Party I think one of two things will happen. One, she'll learn just how things really operate and begin to work within the party framwork. Two, she'll get frustrated she cannot make the big changes she wants just by willing them done and then leave Congress.

JustAnotherGen

(31,879 posts)
6. Tom gave us a very limited list
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:51 PM
Nov 2018

So did our Mayoral and Council Candidates. Bob Menendez is in complete alignment with Tom's message/commitment.

I am elected Committee person - which means my word is on the line too. She needs to sit down with her county committee and work on Constituent Services.


At a minimum - that's her job. I guess because in her district it was a sure thing she has time for grabs plans.

Those of us who flipped long term red districts blue? Don't have that luxury.


Tom's gonna have to do his job or he's going home. She just has to smile and wave and she will get re-elected.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. :) How nice that you have Tom to work with in your
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 09:35 PM
Nov 2018

district. And the ease with which Ocasio breezed through the GE might make you wistful, but in 2020 both Tom and Ocasio will face primary challenges from other Democrats.

Have a blast!

pwb

(11,287 posts)
2. I think she is great.
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:33 PM
Nov 2018

She took no corporate money and is beholden to none, and that is what she wants for all democrats. The democrats who take money from big oil won't come out hard to save the environment will they? Democrats who take big money from drug corporations won't really want to lower drug prices or stop opioid abuse will they?

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
7. She won. We can start there. I don't support primary-ing incumbents.
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:55 PM
Nov 2018

AOC looks like a the great hope we all have that "one of us" can make a difference. Pardon my jadedness. Whether or not she is great remains to be seen by her actions and effects.

The Tea Party is a great example of what not to do. They rendered the GOP incapable of comprise within their own party. Much less with the other side of the aisle. I'm thankful they put a wrench into the GOP. I do not want to see us make the same mistake.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. She didn't run in a low-income district, Pwb, and she
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 09:39 PM
Nov 2018

had effectively no Republican opposition. In fact, we now know she had effectively no active Democratic opposition. That was wonderful for her, but by far most other Democrats don't have those advantages. And many good candidates simply cannot fund campaigns on small local donations, not and compete successfully against super PAC funded Republican opponents.

Please note that deciding who's worthy by whether they take big-donor money would pit them against many representatives of minority-dominated districts and also in opposition to MOST of the members of the house's Progressive Caucus. Out of, I believe, 88 members this term, only 4 took the pledge to only take small donations; many felt they could not. The answer is taxpayer funded campaigns, not allowing foolish ideologues to railroad good people out of office.

I do keep determining to give Ocasio more time to see what she brings to the job. She doesn't make it easy, though. She's keeps giving off troubling signs like this latest thing of trying to primary people she and other outsiders choose. I strongly disapprove of not respecting the beliefs and wishes of local residents to decide who they want to represent them. For instance, it's not for Ocasio to decide that conservatives in WV shouldn't elect conservative representatives.

On the plus side, this group is likely to get their asses handed to them in the end, that's the way democracy usually works, but not before they manage to derail the wishes of local citizens in some few districts. And that's bad. I don't approve.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
18. Median household income in
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:21 PM
Nov 2018

AOC’s district: $58K

My district (St Paul and nearby): $69K

Nancy Pelosi’s district: $112K

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
4. I'm fine with it. Nothing wrong with getting more progressive Democrats
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:38 PM
Nov 2018

ready for the next election. Incumbents and candidate will rise or fall on their own merit in every election. I'm not going to freak out because a young enthusiastic woman wants to recruit progressives.

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
5. When someone says they will primary sitting democrats risking the seat in many cases I
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:39 PM
Nov 2018

take them at their word...and I would remind such folks that they may face a primary as well. Democrats should support Democrats and when some of the first words a new person says is about plans to help get rid of colleagues, it is disturbing.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
9. As I posted above. I'm not for primary-ing incumbents.
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:59 PM
Nov 2018

It wastes resources that can be better spent otherwise. The Tea-Party faction was a stupid idea that ended up biting the GOP in the ass.

I just laugh when people believe a freshman rep has so much power that "they will primary sitting democrats." That takes a lot of money and she can't even afford rent.

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
17. I agree...she did however endorse opponents of sitting Democrats for example Senator Tom
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:04 PM
Nov 2018

Carper of Delaware during the primary. I believe it wastes money and risks the seat to do this.

pnwmom

(108,991 posts)
22. Are you saying we shouldn't believe her when she says she already wants
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:47 PM
Nov 2018

to primary many of her new peers?

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
23. Nah, don't wait for facts before condemnation!
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 06:54 PM
Nov 2018

Go straight into ranting and censure against a newly elected representative of color! Why wait and see what happens when you can denounce and condemn in advance??

(insert sarcasm tag)

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
24. She is 1 Congress critter out of hundreds.
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 07:28 PM
Nov 2018

This focus on her is more refighting the 2016 primaries with her as a proxy for Sanders. Its ridiculous.

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