Trump advisers growing alarmed as president keeps asking about Pence's loyalty: New York TimesPresid

[Fullduplexxx]

President Donald Trump has been asking in “one conversation after another” if his vice president, Mike Pence, is loyal to him, according to sources who spoke to the New York Times.

The subject has reportedly been brought up so many times that some of his advisers are starting to grow alarmed.

Some people close to the president believe that Trump’s questions about Pence’s loyalty are “a proxy for asking about whether the vice president’s chief of staff… is trustworthy,” the New York Times reported.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/trump-advisers-growing-alarmed-presidents-keeps-asking-pences-loyalty-new-york-times/?comments=disqus

[Gothmog]

1. The concept of projection comes into play

trump is loyal to no one and so cannot imagine someone being loyal to him

[dixiegrrrrl]

35. I have never heard projection occur in the quantities Trump does it.,

Very frequent/obvious in his tweets.
Quite common in his rallies, and obviously at the WH.

Does serve as a mirror into his psyche, however.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

2. I bet Trump thinks he can fire Pence,

or make him resign. Another example of how he simply doesn't understand how our system works.

[Fullduplexxx]

4. Wouldnt be surprising . Trump thinks he can amend the constitution with an e.o.

[DeminPennswoods]

22. If he boots Pence, it will be yet another Watergate parallel

nt

[dalton99a]

3. Donald: Mike Pence is out of the country. Fire his ass. NOW!

Just do it.

[Vinca]

5. He's really getting paranoid. If I had to place a bet on the person around Trump most likely to

actually kiss his orange ass, I'd pick Pence. Pence is like the most obedient, loyal dog without the personality.

[Fullduplexxx]

7. He trusts no one and turns on everyone and so that is what he believes in in others

[CrispyQ]

15. LOL on your last sentence.

And so true! Remember that time the Con put his water bottle on the floor & Pence followed suit. It was weird.

[StatGirl]

19. I disagree.

Pence behaves like the most loyal of golden retrievers, but he is just biding his time. He probably thought he would be president way before now.

As for the matter of pardoning Trump, Pence is smart enough to look at what happened to Jerry Ford and consider it a losing strategy.

[Girard442]

6. Donnie, if you're asking the question, you already know the answer.

[GusBob]

8. This is not about impeachment

This is the need for a pardon

[Fullduplexxx]

10. He's looking for his jerry ford

[GusBob]

14. Yep prison suit orange would really clash with his hair

He fears jail

[smirkymonkey]

13. I think you are right.

He wants to know if Pence will pardon him if it all goes to hell very soon, and it looks like that is the way it's heading.

[dixiegrrrrl]

36. Too bad a Pres. can only pardon for Federal charges.

New York state charges, not so much.

[exboyfil]

9. He walked into the Oval Office and saw Pence

measuring the windows for new - non-gold curtains.

Pence, like Agnew and Nixon, is Trump's best guarantee that he won't be thrown out of office.

[vlyons]

11. He's too stupid to know

that he can simply sideline Pence the way FDR side-lined Truman and John Nance Garner, who famously said that the Vice Presidency "wasn't worth a bucket of warm piss." I'll bet Trump doesn't even know who John Nance Garner was.

[octoberlib]

12. The article also says that Trump is considering dropping Pence from the ticket in 2020.

I'm in the minority but I still don't think Trump's gonna run.

[Siwsan]

16. I sense a new movie coming out: "The Pence Mutiny"

But instead of strawberries missing, it will be Starburst candy.

[Jarqui]

17. Because Pence is elected, Trump can't do anything about him anyway

Like Trump, Pence cannot be fired. He can only be impeached or resign.

[Fullduplexxx]

18. Yea someone he cant fire .. i imagine trump would just start condemning pence at trump's'

Rallies. Get his mob to go after pence

[Jarqui]

21. But he'll run into the same problem we have with Trump:

Impeachment is the only way if he won't resign

Right now, if the public were asked which they would impeach, Trump or Pence, I have to believe that is one of the few votes Trump would win handily.

[MineralMan]

20. What he's worried about is whether Pence will pardon him.

That's his concern. Pence, a dedicated Dominionist, has wet dreams about becoming President. Seriously. He pretends to support Trump, but might well defect if Trump needs a pardon. See, that wouldn't be prudent for a recently upgraded President. It might interfere with his other plans for the nation.

Trump suspects that there are big, big problems for him just down the road, and realizes that he may have to resign and face prosecution. He wants assurance that a pardon is waiting for him.

The trouble for Trump is this: HE CAN'T FIRE PENCE! Big problem. Insurmountable problem, really.

[DeminPennswoods]

24. He CAN turn his lackey Whitaker, now head of DoJ,

on to start investigating Pence. I'm sure Pence has done something criminal sometime in his past.

[MineralMan]

26. Actually, I'll bet Pence hasn't done anything criminal.

He is such a nebbish. He keeps himself on the straight and narrow, with the help of "mother." He's a sleeper agent of the Dominionist movement, which has been trying to gain power for a very long time. They have planted people in high positions throughout the federal government and are just biding their time until one of their own becomes President.

Pence is their "white" hope. Trump is a sacrificial animal, as far as the Dominionists are concerned. When the time is right, he'll be out and Pence will be in. That will be a very, very dangerous time for this country, I guarantee.

[DeminPennswoods]

27. There's always something shady in any Republican's past

is mho.

[COLGATE4]

29. Not only a nebbish but also a nudnik.

[MineralMan]

32. As well as a putz, a schmuck and a schlemiel.

There are many wonderful Yiddish words to describe Pence.

[COLGATE4]

33. not to mention schlemazel

[Bayard]

23. Maybe he's worried Pence will testify against him

If Pence is given immunity.

[COLGATE4]

28. He's not only a raging narcissist - he's a fucking paranoid nt

[AlexSFCA]

30. w/o pence, pelosi is next in line, lol

[Garrett78]

31. Time to start a rumor that Pence and Whitaker authored the infamous op-ed. With Putin's permission.

[kimbutgar]

34. Paranoia will destroy ya

[jpak]

37. Please dump Pence!

Please!

Evangelicals will repay you - handsomely - in 2020.

[Dirty Socialist]

38. "I've been betrayed"

-AH

[eleny]

39. The other day it seemed to me like he'd choose a different running mate in 2020...

...since Manafort was the one who urged Trump to select Pence for veep. And now Manafort is singing.