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sheshe2

(83,773 posts)
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 06:48 PM Nov 2018

I have seen calls/ cries for Unity or we will lose 2020. I have a couple words for you.

BLUE WAVE



The wave was as ferocious as it was relentless. It brought us some awesome and diverse talent from Governors to Congress. We flipped red to blue and purple.

And all those women. I can't stop cheering.

So don't let anyone tell you we lack unity, 2018 is a clear example of our unity and the strength it has given the Democratic Party. We won the HOUSE! We sure cleaned their clock, the one that tried so hard to return us to 1950.

I have never seen a party more unified.

Vote as if your life depends on it. Vote as if the future of the planet depends on it. Frankly, it does. What more incentive does any voter need than this?


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I have seen calls/ cries for Unity or we will lose 2020. I have a couple words for you. (Original Post) sheshe2 Nov 2018 OP
Off to the greatest page malaise Nov 2018 #1
... sheshe2 Nov 2018 #5
Unifying the Democrats is a miracle like herding cats. Free thinkers aren't Republicans. olegramps Nov 2018 #84
Every time Democrats win mcar Nov 2018 #2
Orchestrated malaise Nov 2018 #8
It sure is mcar Nov 2018 #16
Hi there malaise Nov 2018 #17
Yep. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #21
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #3
Cheers for us Dems! Hekate Nov 2018 #4
It was a thing of beauty in every way. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #6
Now, it's about sustaining it... Wounded Bear Nov 2018 #7
You're absolutely right about the insincere application of "unity" Jim Lane Nov 2018 #68
We brought out a whole slew of first time voters/winners of all ages, minorities, young folk, libdem4life Nov 2018 #9
I totally agree she Andy823 Nov 2018 #10
+++ nt brer cat Nov 2018 #63
We pummeled bdamomma Nov 2018 #11
We just need to keep doing what we just did True_Blue Nov 2018 #12
I love that the vile MAGAcretin actually believed he could win the House malaise Nov 2018 #13
Thank you, she NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #14
tRump is better than anyone at getting Dems to the polls Az_lefty Nov 2018 #15
We can engineer another Pink Wave, too! catbyte Nov 2018 #18
Hell yes!!! sheshe2 Nov 2018 #25
Oh Hell yes! Johnyawl Nov 2018 #28
The lion's share of the work this go round was by women for women. littlemissmartypants Nov 2018 #52
I agree DFW Nov 2018 #82
Thank you, Sheshe Niagara Nov 2018 #19
Watch out for concern trolling jmbar2 Nov 2018 #20
not to seem like a complete doofus.... oldlibdem Nov 2018 #39
Concern trolling radical noodle Nov 2018 #56
Thank you.... oldlibdem Nov 2018 #93
There are a few regulars here. Won't mention any names but you'll learn to spot them. brush Nov 2018 #60
ok oldlibdem Nov 2018 #94
Indeed ck4829 Nov 2018 #75
Weren't the two words I was thinking of, but they'll do. George II Nov 2018 #22
Lol 😆 sheshe2 Nov 2018 #30
They weren't the 2 words I was expecting either. 3catwoman3 Nov 2018 #54
Damn right, she! SunSeeker Nov 2018 #23
Those "calls/cries" are actually THREATS! Sounds like something Sarandon would say. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #24
Exactly nini Nov 2018 #31
Yes they were NJ. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #34
They are voter depression threats. joshcryer Nov 2018 #73
K&R BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #26
From top to bottom, BRDS!!! sheshe2 Nov 2018 #36
Yup. A real ass-whooping! BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #37
Amen to that! eleny Nov 2018 #27
Momentum like this needs to be nurtured and guided - we've gotten younger and more diverse NoMoreRepugs Nov 2018 #29
AMEN! volstork Nov 2018 #32
Yeah! Thank you sheshe2! So sick of the trolls trying to tell us we are not united. Squinch Nov 2018 #33
I am tired of it as well. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #40
yaaaaas elmac Nov 2018 #35
Our coalition will be unified Politicub Nov 2018 #38
Yes!! Bury those traitorous GOPers under Our blue tidal wave!! Red Raider 85 Nov 2018 #41
I agree, Red Raider. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #43
Yes, 20/20 Vision! Blue Tsunami! raging moderate Nov 2018 #42
Wipeout! sheshe2 Nov 2018 #47
Our candidates received 7 % more votes than did Republicans. spooky3 Nov 2018 #44
I have no stats to back this up, but Ferrets are Cool Nov 2018 #45
Democrats get elected when they promise to take action. Baitball Blogger Nov 2018 #46
when you hear cries for Unity remember this... TalenaGor Nov 2018 #48
The cries I hear are NOT coming from GOPers. nt sheshe2 Nov 2018 #50
fair enough lol TalenaGor Nov 2018 #51
My two words: FUCK THAT 47of74 Nov 2018 #49
Kickity, kick, kick. littlemissmartypants Nov 2018 #53
K&R lilactime Nov 2018 #55
Yes!! radical noodle Nov 2018 #57
We should have flipped at least twice as many House seats. MadDAsHell Nov 2018 #58
You know what else the cons did after 2010? Gerrymandering. That's why we didn't flip 60 seats. nt Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #79
We don't have as much midterm wave upside as Republicans do Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #92
I thought I'd see two other words... osmium Nov 2018 #59
Oh. I never swear. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #62
Indeed. An enormous digit to the GOP :) osmium Nov 2018 #69
Here are my two words: Tom Steyer. I look forward to our party uniting under his leadership StevieM Nov 2018 #61
K&R Scurrilous Nov 2018 #64
the best part is that there will be Dem chairs of committees 912gdm Nov 2018 #65
Respect and Compassion Olafjoy Nov 2018 #66
Don't worry, the "unity" concern is temporary Jim Lane Nov 2018 #67
We are making good progress BUT Doreen Nov 2018 #70
I am so glad True Blue American Nov 2018 #71
K&R betsuni Nov 2018 #72
K&R ck4829 Nov 2018 #74
best OP ever JHan Nov 2018 #76
Amazing Unity DownriverDem Nov 2018 #77
We do need to keep building unity MrGrieves Nov 2018 #78
I've seen teevee pundits still nattering "...but Dems still don't have a message." lagomorph777 Nov 2018 #80
I've Seen That Too ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #81
DU definitely has its contingent of one-issue posters DFW Nov 2018 #83
K & R geardaddy Nov 2018 #85
Yeah for the blue wave Gothmog Nov 2018 #86
Thanks, sheshe! Yes, those with the threats that they are going R B Garr Nov 2018 #87
Thanks R B. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #88
K&R! Kind of Blue Nov 2018 #89
Now is the time for all the discussion about who is best for the Ds & policies, etc. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2018 #90
Some people think because we disagree, that means we're not unified. NO! Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #91

Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wounded Bear

(58,660 posts)
7. Now, it's about sustaining it...
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 07:07 PM
Nov 2018

moving forward. I never worry too much about "unity." All too often, people who yell loudest about "unity" are really saying, "Be reasonable, do it my way."

There are 435 districts for the House, each has its own quirks and needs, and they need good candidates that can stay in touch with that. Politics really is local. At least with a majority of incumbants, we'll be working to expand, rather than scratch for control of the House.

The Senate favors Dems a lot more next cycle, but that only means that more of the seats we'll be defending will be in blue states and less vulnerable. Flipping seats in red states will still be a challenge, and will probably require candidates that can actually win those states. That means more centrists, not radical liberals. With luck and a lot of hard work, we can hold our own seats and flip enough red seats to get control of the Senate.

The Democratic Party is still the Big Tent party, where we listen to differing opinions and come to consensus on where to go.

Was so nice to see people get back to basics, back to knocking on doors, talking to real people, and working to GOTV. It often seems too slow, but it is so much better in the long run.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
68. You're absolutely right about the insincere application of "unity"
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 02:23 AM
Nov 2018

You write an important point that, beginning sometime in 2019, will be widely overlooked:

All too often, people who yell loudest about "unity" are really saying, "Be reasonable, do it my way."


For my part, I don't think the case for running centrists is as clear as you seem to think. People don't vote on straight ideological lines. A candidate who's perceived as having clear convictions and a willingness to fight for them has an advantage, even among people who don't completely agree with those convictions. Such a candidate may also be more successful at mobilizing the nonvoters. OTOH, the nonvoters are notoriously hard to mobilize, so there's a cap on how much can be gained there.

I agree with you that each district "each has its own quirks and needs," and I'll add that each candidate is unique. I'm not afraid of having contested primaries to help us pick the strongest nominee.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
9. We brought out a whole slew of first time voters/winners of all ages, minorities, young folk,
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 07:27 PM
Nov 2018

LGBT, women, and maybe a future presidential candidate from Texas....sure I missed one or two. I never get tired of hearing of all the "firsts" this election.

But what has done my heart good is that we showed we don't necessarily need gerontological money, PACs, automatic re-election of incumbents and phoning it in. That puts elected office in the range of everyday folk...representing everyday folk.

I'm excited for our future.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
10. I totally agree she
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 07:29 PM
Nov 2018

The ones I get tired of are the "you need us" to win crap. The ones where it sounds more like a threat that if you don't play our way we won't vote for the Democrats. If people are playing the game, they aren't really our allies. Right now, as you said, we are more unified that I have seen in a long time and I think to will continue.

bdamomma

(63,857 posts)
11. We pummeled
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 07:31 PM
Nov 2018

them. That's why all the crap in Florida, because Broward and Miami Dade as I heard is fully Democratic. Count the VOTES. Damn It.

True_Blue

(3,063 posts)
12. We just need to keep doing what we just did
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 07:33 PM
Nov 2018

Show up to vote.

I'm very happy with the election results here in AZ. My new Democratic Congressman Greg Stanton won easily with 60% of the vote. We're about to elect our first Democratic Senator in 30 yrs. It's not official yet, but there's no way McSalty can catch up to Sinema. I think we may have broken the Republican stronghold here.

malaise

(269,020 posts)
13. I love that the vile MAGAcretin actually believed he could win the House
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 07:33 PM
Nov 2018

That has so lifted my vibes.

littlemissmartypants

(22,667 posts)
52. The lion's share of the work this go round was by women for women.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 09:25 PM
Nov 2018

Truth be told. It was a winning strategy this time.
I'm all for a repeat of the pink wave.

Niagara

(7,620 posts)
19. Thank you, Sheshe
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 07:44 PM
Nov 2018

I love the following that you wrote:

Vote as if your life depends on it. Vote as if the future of the planet depends on it. Frankly, it does. What more incentive does any voter need than this?

Off to the greatest page!

jmbar2

(4,888 posts)
20. Watch out for concern trolling
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 07:45 PM
Nov 2018

Trolls will likely emerge to try to drive wedges amongst us. Don't fall for it.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
56. Concern trolling
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 09:51 PM
Nov 2018
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=concern%20troll

In an argument (usually a political debate), a concern troll is someone who is on one side of the discussion, but pretends to be a supporter of the other side with "concerns". The idea behind this is that your opponents will take your arguments more seriously if they think you're an ally. Concern trolls who use fake identities are sometimes known as sockpuppets.

3catwoman3

(23,997 posts)
54. They weren't the 2 words I was expecting either.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 09:35 PM
Nov 2018

My vocabulary has definitely deteriorated since the stolen election.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
24. Those "calls/cries" are actually THREATS! Sounds like something Sarandon would say.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 07:55 PM
Nov 2018

And have no patience for Sarandon, or threats. FUCK SUSAN SARANDON!!

joshcryer

(62,274 posts)
73. They are voter depression threats.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:23 AM
Nov 2018

That they will ramp up "there's no difference between the parties" rhetoric.

But this time they will not be as successful as they were in 2016.

sheshe2

(83,773 posts)
36. From top to bottom, BRDS!!!
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 08:18 PM
Nov 2018

The GOP got taken to the woodshed and got their bottoms tanned.

Sad. Not.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,431 posts)
29. Momentum like this needs to be nurtured and guided - we've gotten younger and more diverse
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 08:04 PM
Nov 2018

up and down our elected Democratic Party - I think it's in good hands.

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
33. Yeah! Thank you sheshe2! So sick of the trolls trying to tell us we are not united.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 08:11 PM
Nov 2018

Read the news, trolls! Then go back under your bridges and shut up!

sheshe2

(83,773 posts)
40. I am tired of it as well.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 08:44 PM
Nov 2018

However we know better don’t we. If I wasn’t on my phone I would pot you the Cheshire Cat grin.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
38. Our coalition will be unified
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 08:24 PM
Nov 2018

It already is. And it will grow because progressive dem ideas stand in stark contrast with regressive gop policies.

Join us.

Red Raider 85

(102 posts)
41. Yes!! Bury those traitorous GOPers under Our blue tidal wave!!
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 08:45 PM
Nov 2018

I long for the day when the GOP is as forgotten and powerless as the Whigs and Know-Nothings!

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
45. I have no stats to back this up, but
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 09:00 PM
Nov 2018

I feel that if EVERY REGISTERED VOTER voted, we would win every election.
My serious question is...why does it take a fascist regime being in power to get enough attention to win JUST the house? What in the hell will it take for the NON-voters to vote if THIS FASCIST regime didn't.
As they say on ESPN, C'mon Man!!!

Baitball Blogger

(46,715 posts)
46. Democrats get elected when they promise to take action.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 09:03 PM
Nov 2018

They need to keep responding to those new voters who think they are finally going to be represented.

TalenaGor

(1,104 posts)
48. when you hear cries for Unity remember this...
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 09:05 PM
Nov 2018

"Lock her up!"

Sorry but their cries for Unity are just cries for no accountability I say lock the all these f****** up

F*** them

TalenaGor

(1,104 posts)
51. fair enough lol
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 09:22 PM
Nov 2018

I think we all need to unite in justice....if we don't show the world what we stand for then we become exactly as we are perceived to be today

Impeach...prosecute....all those involved. Anything less is sickening to me....

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
58. We should have flipped at least twice as many House seats.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 09:58 PM
Nov 2018

The cons flipped like 60 in 2010. How the fk, with all the anger this President has caused, did we not AT LEAST match that, if not blow it out of the water???

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
92. We don't have as much midterm wave upside as Republicans do
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 06:07 PM
Nov 2018

That's why we can't win 60 or 70 seats.

Midterm electorates are older and more conservative, at default, compared to presidential years. When we have the national slant in our favor like 2006 and 2018, the best we can hope for is that the electorate resembles a presidential year.

But when Republicans own the midterm slant like 1994, 2010, and 2014, the demographic of the electorate is considerably more favorable to their side than a presidential year.

That is all the difference. For example, in 2016 presidential year the conservative/liberal split in the exit poll was 9% at 35-26. This year thanks to independents on our side we managed to mirror the 2016 split, at 36% conservatives and 27 liberals, so again a 9% gap. That was an excellent result.

But compare to 2014, when that ideological gap exploded to 14% at 37% conservatives and 23% liberals. That's the reason Republicans can pick off 50 to 70 seats when everything is tilted in their direction.

If we got a bizarre unheard-of midterm split of let's say 34% conservatives to 30% liberals, then absolutely we could grab 50 or 60 seats, perhaps more.

But that is basically impossible right now because our strongholds like youth voters don't turn out in same percentage as older voters who lean GOP.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
61. Here are my two words: Tom Steyer. I look forward to our party uniting under his leadership
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 10:10 PM
Nov 2018

and winning back the White House in 2020. And I look forward to his presidency.

912gdm

(959 posts)
65. the best part is that there will be Dem chairs of committees
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 11:04 PM
Nov 2018

that will have subpoena power. screw the senate, the house now has the power to call people and jail them if they lie.


We won the golden goose and it will be worse for them in 2020 when they have to defend all the perjury charges, etc.

Olafjoy

(937 posts)
66. Respect and Compassion
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 12:33 AM
Nov 2018

Vote for someone who respects the ultimate sacrifice so willingly laid down at the alter of freedom by millions of soldiers. Vote for someone who sees a whole town burn down with people running for their lives and not making it and offers help and compassion.
Vote for common decency.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
67. Don't worry, the "unity" concern is temporary
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 02:15 AM
Nov 2018

Soon enough, we'll be seeing the posts: "We need to win in 2020, and we can't do that if ____________ [insert name of disfavored candidate] even seeks the nomination, let alone gets it" or "We can't win if our nominee is [insert disfavored demographic characteristic]."

I completely agree with what Wounded Bear wrote in #7:

I never worry too much about "unity." All too often, people who yell loudest about "unity" are really saying, "Be reasonable, do it my way."


Let's realize right now that 2019-20 will see a contentious, multicandidate campaign for the Democratic nomination. I can't predict who'll win, or even who'll be running, but I can predict that some DUers will get too vehement about their choices and will have posts removed. I can also predict that, as in 2016, the vast majority of the people who supported an unsuccessful candidate will rally behind the Democratic nominee.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
70. We are making good progress BUT
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:57 AM
Nov 2018

we need to keep encouraging new voters to continue voting whether they succeeded in their vote or not. For the ones who's candidate did not win they need to look at all of the others who did and realize that they can flip also if they keep at it. The new voters need to talk to others who have never voted because they did not think it made a difference or have not had a chance yet because of age.

We can't let them think that they went out for one vote and that means they paid their dues. Voting has to be a continual thing to do.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
71. I am so glad
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 07:22 AM
Nov 2018

So many stood up and announced they were fed up, put their lives out there, gave us a diversified group of candidates that match the country.

So energetic, ready to change things they are already in DC, preparing for their jobs.

I feel better than I have since 2016!

Veterans, Women, a whole new ball game. I can not wait.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
77. Amazing Unity
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:53 AM
Nov 2018

We have amazing Democrats throughout the country. We don't need any party crashers, if you know what I mean.

 

MrGrieves

(315 posts)
78. We do need to keep building unity
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:10 AM
Nov 2018

We do need to keep building unity and we can build that with thoughtful policy. Healthcare, infrastructure, and anti-corruption in politics. Sure it might not get passed in the senate but we can put forth policy that shows what democrats stand for and highlight that republicans are against it. The trick with it all is that we have to find a way to get it in front of the media. Perhaps some of the younger more vocal members can draw the attention of the media.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
80. I've seen teevee pundits still nattering "...but Dems still don't have a message."
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:17 AM
Nov 2018

WTF? Hello? Health care? That was the message and it worked massively.

Obviously, Dems will need to continue to evolve the message; that's how progress works.

But to claim there's no message? Shameful lie.

ProfessorGAC

(65,054 posts)
81. I've Seen That Too
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:47 AM
Nov 2018

Here's my take: They have already decided that the vote was strictly about Trump and a rejection of him, therefore no message.

However, the message was actually quite clear. The reminded voters of what the R congress with a maniac on their side in the WH tried to do to the population. So the message was, help us protect your health care, protect SS, protect Medicare and Medicaid, protect people with pre-existing conditions, protect dreamers.

The message was abundantly on display, but these cartoon world thought processes have already caused them to ignore all that and, once again, make it all about the idiot when the idiot was the big loser in all this.

DFW

(54,394 posts)
83. DU definitely has its contingent of one-issue posters
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 11:29 AM
Nov 2018

Some only come to defend Monsanto, and otherwise have nothing to say. Some only come to praise Bernie Sanders, and otherwise have nothing to say. Some only come to bash Al Franken, and otherwise have nothing to say.

They occasionally couch their posts in other terms, but by and large, they post about their one issue and that one issue only. Whether they start it or someone else starts the OP, if it's THEIR one issue, they are there like fruit flies on three day old strawberries. They smell it from far away, and invariably show up. One even had a prominent post starting with "In The Contrary." (In English, we say "On" the contrary, понятно?).

Beware the one-trick ponies. With them, the emphasis should not be on "one" or "ponies," but rather on "trick," because that's what they're here for. NO true DUer is THAT one-dimensional. Don't be scared, just be aware.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
87. Thanks, sheshe! Yes, those with the threats that they are going
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 12:14 PM
Nov 2018

to withhold their votes unless they are catered to was the exact Russian troll strategy to harm our nominee. We’re on to them! No more.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
90. Now is the time for all the discussion about who is best for the Ds & policies, etc.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:05 PM
Nov 2018

When we ask for unity in advance of elections, it is after the primaries and during the time when candidates with Ds beside their names are in front of the voters.

The flip side is that outside of those times we MUST discuss leadership and policies. Have it all out now so that later we can be united again when it counts.

Discussion of leadership and policies can be divisive but it MUST occur. Now is the time.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
91. Some people think because we disagree, that means we're not unified. NO!
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 05:06 PM
Nov 2018

All members of a group will disagree on SOME things. What matters is that we all show up at the polls and VOTE!

KICK 'EM OUT! KICK 'EM OUT! WAAAAAY OUT!

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