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demmiblue

(36,845 posts)
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 10:46 AM Nov 2018

From a friend -- a billboard spotted outside of St Louis. I don't like using the word "heresy," but

From a friend -- a billboard spotted outside of St Louis. I don't like using the word "heresy," but I think I'll make an exception in this case.






I wish I could say I'm surprised, but...
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From a friend -- a billboard spotted outside of St Louis. I don't like using the word "heresy," but (Original Post) demmiblue Nov 2018 OP
"blasphemy" is more appropriate Retrograde Nov 2018 #1
Yeah, I'll go with blasphemy, and I'll throw in idolatry for good measure. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #9
+1,000,000 highplainsdem Nov 2018 #25
Correct but heresy usually involves exaggerating an established doctrine grantcart Nov 2018 #40
Blasphemy is a victimless crime, no? stopbush Nov 2018 #11
Blasphemy isn't a crime at all in the US. Mariana Nov 2018 #23
Correct. grantcart Nov 2018 #36
Beat me to it. n/t malthaussen Nov 2018 #38
Speechless . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Nov 2018 #2
That thought crossed my mind too. nt LAS14 Nov 2018 #67
Evangelicals have been literally worshipping Shithole for a while dalton99a Nov 2018 #3
In this example they're claiming Trump has the assistance and blessing of Jesus. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #14
The Word became flesh refers to Jesus becoming a man on Earth. ginnyinWI Nov 2018 #54
Are you shitting me? Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #37
Since, by their argument, everything is god's will... malthaussen Nov 2018 #39
I'd Accused Evangelicals Of Worshipping Mammon Vogon_Glory Nov 2018 #47
WTF? lindysalsagal Nov 2018 #4
Evangelicals Have Shown Their True Colors and Tremendous Hypocrisy dlk Nov 2018 #5
I saw that billboard and was in Morning traffic Sherman A1 Nov 2018 #6
Thanks for the corroboration. demmiblue Nov 2018 #10
I-170 South bound lanes Sherman A1 Nov 2018 #22
That's Drury Dislpays' board pintobean Nov 2018 #30
Yup Sherman A1 Nov 2018 #35
I'm close to there. I'll keep an eye out. nt Gore1FL Nov 2018 #44
It's one of those signs that rotates messages Sherman A1 Nov 2018 #52
Well, if the "Word" is "tyrant" or "asshole," MineralMan Nov 2018 #7
And for the Win!!!! Pachamama Nov 2018 #20
OMG, are they claiming he's the anti-christ? lark Nov 2018 #8
republican blasphemers have gone anti- Achilleaze Nov 2018 #12
Lol... Here's the choir. demmiblue Nov 2018 #13
Perfect. dalton99a Nov 2018 #16
Which word became flesh? Takket Nov 2018 #15
The best word dalton99a Nov 2018 #17
Ivanka! sandensea Nov 2018 #48
As a Christian, I find this profoundly disturbing. dawg Nov 2018 #18
I feel you. How about "Make the Gospel Great Again" grantcart Nov 2018 #42
Somebody help me close my mouth! Wawannabe Nov 2018 #19
I know a billboard that needs Devil's Horns and goatee and some Googly Eyes jpak Nov 2018 #21
Nonstop chatter became a giant ball of flab. Qutzupalotl Nov 2018 #24
What word? Satan? AJT Nov 2018 #26
I'm surprised that billboard didn't self-immolate into a pile melted steel. GoCubsGo Nov 2018 #27
maybe someone should read onethatcares Nov 2018 #28
Trump is their god alright workinclasszero Nov 2018 #29
Trump's words become... lame54 Nov 2018 #31
From a non-Christian standpoint, it just looks like they're making fun of all his flesh unitedwethrive Nov 2018 #32
"Flesh"??? I think they meant "neck crepe" malchickiwick Nov 2018 #33
Who would have thought The Word would become embodied .. EricMaundry Nov 2018 #34
Waiting for the Lightning storm world wide wally Nov 2018 #41
Donald Trump; their Messiah who ridicules Holy Communion. keithbvadu2 Nov 2018 #43
And lo, he shall go by the name of David Dennison bronxiteforever Nov 2018 #45
To say nothing of blasphemy sandensea Nov 2018 #46
Lots of flesh, no brains FFS SMH. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2018 #49
If a church or religious organization paid for that, they should lose their non-profit status n/t TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #50
cult. brainwashed morons. lapfog_1 Nov 2018 #51
If they think that is a good picture, it isn't. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #53
This is what they SHOULD put up: LiberalLovinLug Nov 2018 #55
Maybe they're referring to the anti-Christ True_Blue Nov 2018 #56
From their Facebook page... Adrahil Nov 2018 #57
Link, please. Thanks. MineralMan Nov 2018 #60
Here ya go.... Adrahil Nov 2018 #69
ugh Demovictory9 Nov 2018 #58
I swear these nuts think Don is the second coming. Vinca Nov 2018 #59
Found the Group that Paid for This on Facebook: MineralMan Nov 2018 #61
uummmmmmmm, If this truly is a real billboard and... Hotler Nov 2018 #62
What word, specifically? The Blue Flower Nov 2018 #63
Abomination. Liberal Veteran Nov 2018 #65
I think they're right . . right there in Revelatons is says he will be let loose from his pit pdsimdars Nov 2018 #64
You have GOT to be kidding!!!!! nt LAS14 Nov 2018 #66
And people wonder why I stopped giving a shit re. the "thoughts" of fundy Xtians years ago . . . . hatrack Nov 2018 #68
The Seven Deadly Sins Became Flesh nt smb Nov 2018 #70

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
9. Yeah, I'll go with blasphemy, and I'll throw in idolatry for good measure.
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 11:05 AM
Nov 2018

Heresy is "any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs or customs, in particular the accepted beliefs of a church or religious organization," which that billboard certainly is, but blasphemy fits better because it's "the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things." Idolatry is "the worship of something or someone other than God as if it were God." They all fit. If I were a believer I'd say the numpties who put up the billboard are on the fast track to Hell.

The reference is to John 1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." In other words, Jesus.

You'd think that to a Christian, referring to any mortal man - let alone Trump - as in any respect the equivalent of Jesus would be considered absolutely blasphemous, not to mention idolatrous. In the olden days you'd get in deep trouble with the Spanish Inquisition (cue "Nobody expects...." ). These days you won't suffer any such fate but I have to wonder what some of these evangelicals are thinking. Trump is about as far from Jesus as anyone could be, and yet he's become a cult figure, on a par with Jesus, to people who claim to worship Jesus. "Full of grace and truth"? I don't think so.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
40. Correct but heresy usually involves exaggerating an established doctrine
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:24 PM
Nov 2018

Until it becomes anti-thetical.

For example: Taking the general principle that Christians should support legal and moral leaders in government as an endorsement of a particular candidate would be heresy.

Attributing a leader with the attributes of the incarnation is blasphemous.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
23. Blasphemy isn't a crime at all in the US.
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 11:59 AM
Nov 2018

At any rate, we have freedom of religion in the US. If people want to worship Trump, they may do so.

2. Speechless . . .
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 10:51 AM
Nov 2018

But I think I'd have to have some more proof that this billboard actually exists before I would forego dismissing it as being a Photoshop job.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
14. In this example they're claiming Trump has the assistance and blessing of Jesus.
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 11:15 AM
Nov 2018

In the OP, the implication is that he IS Jesus.

Where is the Spanish Inquisition when we really need them?

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
54. The Word became flesh refers to Jesus becoming a man on Earth.
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:54 PM
Nov 2018

The first thing I thought of is, could this abomination be the Anti-Christ that was foretold? Probably not, but it really makes you think.

This is such a cult!!! No other word for it. Unbelievable in our modern times.

malthaussen

(17,193 posts)
39. Since, by their argument, everything is god's will...
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:23 PM
Nov 2018

... I suppose one could argue that this is a true statement.

-- Mal

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
47. I'd Accused Evangelicals Of Worshipping Mammon
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:33 PM
Nov 2018

But Donald F. Trump is about the closest avatar of Mammon in American politics today.

Anyone who pushes a message like that dad-blamed billboard has zero credibility left.

lindysalsagal

(20,679 posts)
4. WTF?
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 10:56 AM
Nov 2018

Trump has to make "the word of god" great, again?

First of all, I'm an atheist, so I don't give a crap about old books of nonsense.

But

Wtf does it mean if the gospel needs politicians to fix it?

Who, exactly, is this aimed at?

dlk

(11,561 posts)
5. Evangelicals Have Shown Their True Colors and Tremendous Hypocrisy
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 10:57 AM
Nov 2018

They are merely snake oil salesmen and grifters who use the Bible as a sales tool for their brand of white, male supremacy.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
6. I saw that billboard and was in Morning traffic
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 10:57 AM
Nov 2018

Couldn’t get a pic of it at the time. It just boggles the mind.

demmiblue

(36,845 posts)
10. Thanks for the corroboration.
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 11:07 AM
Nov 2018

I made sure to take into account who was posting it, and saw an exact intersection in the comments... but you never know.

That is batshit crazy!

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
22. I-170 South bound lanes
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 11:58 AM
Nov 2018

just North of the Exit for St. Charles Rock Road. As mentioned it was traffic, raining and while I would have loved to snap a pic, staying on the road intact was more on my mind.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
52. It's one of those signs that rotates messages
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:53 PM
Nov 2018

so it is easy to miss while driving and keeping your eyes on traffic. It was just by chance that I noticed it myself.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
12. republican blasphemers have gone anti-
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 11:11 AM
Nov 2018

republicans have embraced the Dark Side with all its lies, cheating, and hate. Sad to see them suckered by an adulterous, draft-dodging, casino hustler with a long track record of cheating in business.

How willfully ignorant do you have to be to kiss-off the facts, go submissive, and swallow the lies?

dawg

(10,624 posts)
18. As a Christian, I find this profoundly disturbing.
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 11:23 AM
Nov 2018

I'm a Southern Baptist, which I'm pretty sure makes me technically an evangelical. But Donald J. Trump, and the whole damned Republican Party for that mater, are antithetical to everything I believe and hold to be true.

I believe in forgiveness, but they want to be judgmental.

I believe in love, but they promote hate.

I believe the meek shall inherit the Earth. They favor the proud and the boastful.

I believe in turning the other cheek (although getting pretty damned tired of it), while they believe in striking the first blow.

They are attempting to destroy both my country and my church.

I won't forget.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
42. I feel you. How about "Make the Gospel Great Again"
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:28 PM
Nov 2018

It is so antithetical to Christian Theology that you have to wonder if it wasn't put up by anti Trumpsters.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
32. From a non-Christian standpoint, it just looks like they're making fun of all his flesh
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:13 PM
Nov 2018

I have no idea what it’s actually supposed to mean, but my first thought was that “wow, he has a lot of flesh”

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
33. "Flesh"??? I think they meant "neck crepe"
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:13 PM
Nov 2018

I notice the banner covers up all that disgusting extra "flesh"

keithbvadu2

(36,788 posts)
43. Donald Trump; their Messiah who ridicules Holy Communion.
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:29 PM
Nov 2018

Donald Trump; their Messiah who ridicules Holy Communion.

Trump: Drink my little wine, have my little cracker

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/08/13/donald-trump-religion-serfaty-dnt-erin.cnn

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
57. From their Facebook page...
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 02:05 PM
Nov 2018

We believe God has given American Christians His earthly messenger - Donald J Trump. We follow his words in faith each day!

Hotler

(11,420 posts)
62. uummmmmmmm, If this truly is a real billboard and...
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 04:35 PM
Nov 2018

not a photo shop thing, this should be a concern to us. Fascism creeps in with small steps. It doesn't happen overnight. There should be a billboard across from this one with this saying on it.

“When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”

Snopes says this was not from Sinclair Lewis. It makes sense anyway.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sinclair-lewis-on-fascism/

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
64. I think they're right . . right there in Revelatons is says he will be let loose from his pit
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 06:03 PM
Nov 2018

to rule for about 3.5 years.

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