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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAfter we win house and senate name first 3 things you want them to do...
Impeach tRump.
Impeach Kavanaugh.
Pass minimum wage law.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)1. Raise minimum wage to $15 effective within 60 days.
2. Medicare for all.
3. Repeal the millionaire tax cut.
If we can do the top 2 right away, it will prove that Dems are here to work for the people.
flor-de-jasmim
(2,125 posts)BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)I'm with you.
Volaris
(10,270 posts)everything else on the list that we would put together, comes from winning the arguments on level ground and on the merits (where the GOP knows they can't compete).
As the Dirty Corporate Money comes OUT, progressive legislation goes IN, as the voters will DEMAND.
everything else will flow from that.
So that would be number one on my list.
Electing Hillary Clinton to the Speakership would also be acceptable, as even if we can't actually impeach ticket treason-weasel, the INTENT will be clear and it will scare the living hell out of the Weasels.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)will take a constitutional amendment.
Volaris
(10,270 posts)Don't possess a RIGHT to free speech, on the grounds that they don't actually qualify as Persons.
The 'originalist' position must be the above argument is correct, since the Constitution doesn't specifically state that they ARE. By that argument, it would take an amendment to INCLUDE them in that Right, the same as it did for those enslaved.
Let's see what this self-professed non-activist SC does with that.
Mystery sage
(576 posts)Let's vote together with our tsunami Then do the rest afterwards
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)in that order.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Strengthen Obamacare.
Institute a system of low interest loans to facilitate moving to where jobs are.
mcar
(42,323 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)How expensive it is to move to where jobs are
manor321
(3,344 posts)Check the polls. Those unfavorable polls don't get posted here.
Yes, the Republican party is a horrible criminal enterprise and at this point have a good chance of gaining Senate seats. Let that sink in.
john657
(1,058 posts)Even if we were to win every Senate seat up for reelection, highly unlikely, we would still be far short to win a conviction and removal of both.
Far better to focus on the things we can do with a simple majority.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)Not impeaching Trump would be the worst non-move we could ever make, should we win back Congress.
john657
(1,058 posts)did you not understand?
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)do you not understand?
If we can impeach Trump, he needs to be impeached regardless of the outcome. If he gets convicted and removed, then that's a huge bonus. Either way, "impeached" needs to be next to his name. This " we shouldn't impeach Trump because it will be bad for the country" that some in the media like to push on us is a crock of bullshit. Seeing that asshole impeached will automatically make every Democrat in this country feel better about themselves and the party.
john657
(1,058 posts)c-rational
(2,592 posts)to impeach. If the Repug Senators defend a traitor paint them as such - complicit and vote them out of office.
ck4829
(35,075 posts)john657
(1,058 posts)c-rational
(2,592 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)You need 68 senators to get it through the senate. It would basically be symbolic. When Clinton was impeached by the House of Reps, it just caused a lot of sympathy and also backlash.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Leaving a super fired up Trump, super fired up Republican party and Democrats looking like they wasted a bunch of time and resources on something that'll never happen.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)They "won" the presidency 2 years later despite a good economy and having a bad candidate in Bush.
Even after Nixon resigned in the face of impeachment, Ford lost a very close election in 1976 and Reagan won big in 1980.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)turn up huge glaring examples of corruption, malfeasance, criminality and more, it will build public support for impeachment among conservative Democats, moderates/independents and maybe even some sane Republicans.
If the public and the media sees multiple Trump officials getting indicted and resigning in shame, it will start to snowball.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You point to both as though they are the same thing.
Of course you're aware they're two wholly separate concepts, yes? We discuss many things which are not our focus. We also focus on many things simultaneously.
Which makes me wonder if simply discussing a thing forces you to lose your own focus on everything else, and that you're simply projecting that onto everyone around you...?
tavernier
(12,388 posts)ck4829
(35,075 posts)See what we turn up, maybe some rubles went to pay for a house or car, you know?
They have Heather Heyer's blood on their hands as well, they helped to normalize the alt/far right rhetoric and yet they've never disowned it... They need to be called it for it too, they are murderers.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,923 posts)Pretty much every EC member voted the way their states did.
ck4829
(35,075 posts)Not to mention they are Charles Manson wannabes with blood on their hands.
Investigate Trump, the admin, alt-right, and the monsters who have Heather Heyer's blood on their hands and who set it all in motion.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,923 posts)The Electoral College vote takes less then a day. With few exceptions, they vote the way their respective States voted. If the Electors voted in a way contrary to the popular votes of their states, then I could see why they should be investigated. But they didn't. They are basically just rubber stamps and vote however their states did. I'm not getting why you think someone would waste their time and money trying to bribe the EC members. Trump and his cronies, sure. The Electors, no.
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)Impeach Trump
Impeach Kavanaugh
Send bill after bill to the Presiden't desk defining the liberal agenda and make Trump Veto each one.
* Protect the vote
* Protect Health Care
* Protect the environment
* Higher wages for workers
Eugene
(61,893 posts)1. Oversight. Do your jobs and put a check on Trump.
.
2. Investigate the hell out of the Trump Crime Family. Impeachment would be nice, but first get the goods on them.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)don't go counting your chickens yet.
MANative
(4,112 posts)for both House and Senate should be hermetically sealed for all eternity with their members inside. That'll take care of everything else.
rampartc
(5,407 posts)fire the bastards and hire a few keynesians who understand modern monetary theory. i might suggest professor wm black from university missouri kc. or someone from u mass amherst.
MaryMagdaline
(6,854 posts)Get trumps tax returns
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and make Trump veto it every time. It's a big winning issue for Democrats.
MaryMagdaline
(6,854 posts)brooklynite
(94,541 posts)Impeachment without conviction is worth than no impeachment at all.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)john657
(1,058 posts)The votes aren't there in the Senate to convict and remove him,
33taw
(2,441 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)They won't have the power to do much else. They can stop the take over of the federal bench to some extent. And they might actually be able to cut some "deals" on things that the GOP just won't do. But the man's still gonna want that wall.
DFW
(54,378 posts)We need to get the Senate first. THEN if we do, we have to remember that even if the House impeaches Trump and Kavanawful, the Senate needs 67 votes to remover them from their positions, and there are not 67 Senators that will vote for either. I'm not saying we shouldn't do it anyway. It does send a powerful historical message. But we should not delude ourselves about the outcome, nor about Trump signing a minimum wage bill unless McTurtle says it's OK (hint: he won't), and, again, we do not have 67 Senators who will vote to override.
Trump won't sign much of anything sent to him by a Congress made up of 2 chambers with Democratic majorities.
What we should prepare for is two years of gridlock, which in any case will be better than what we have now. For THIS reason, I'm not against impeachment with no hope of success. If Congress is gridlocked and won't get anything useful done that Trump will sign, then they might as well do SOMETHING they can do, and articles of impeachment CAN be brought.
I had dinner last night with a former Congressman who served as a Democrat from WA-7 for over 25 years. He knows all about impeachment, and we did talk about it. It's a long drawn out process even if we do get to where the Articles can be delivered over to the Senate. It's not a vote that gets taken overnight. And even then--for sure, we CAN impeach. We will NOT be removing anyone from office that way, not with THIS Senate, even if we do win back control of the chamber by a seat or two.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)THEN, end gerrymandering so we don't find ourselves in this position again. Pass laws against it.
Legislate to override Citizens United, again so we don't find ourselves in this position again.
THEN, when we have made the playing field fair again, THEN we can impeach with an expectation that it will mean something.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(9,423 posts)Donate
Encourage voter registration
Encourage voter turnout
After that let's look at where we are. Be real people.
Freddie
(9,265 posts)End the electoral college
Strengthen voting rights
Medicare for all
Pass the ERA
Tax the rich
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)Bush II started a horrendous and illegal war when he invaded Iraq back in 2003. Most estimates say that somewhere between 400,000 and 600,000 people were killed.
Yet no one in power seems to care. And so someday it will be repeated.
bluestarone
(16,939 posts)PUBLIC hearings!!!!!!!!! Work on fixing future elections (2020) work on STOPPING RUMPS environmental destruction!
bunny planet
(10,875 posts)Investigate Kavanaugh properly - impeach and remove from office
reopen House Intelligence investigation and do it thoroughly this time
legislate to protect future elections and voting rights
do I have to stop at just 3
I can't - Universal Healthcare / Medicare for all
increase SS income threshold to protect it and make it solvent for a long time
sarisataka
(18,648 posts)Make it to the Senate where they fail and leave a fired up Republican Party who has unified to protect their people against a Democratic "petty witch hunt"
Worst case, impeachment doesn't make it out of the House leaving a bitter and divided Democratic Party going into the 2020 election
#3 would fail on veto, if nothing else, but have Democrats leading a cause that appeals to their base and many independents. Also it opens every Republican candidate who opposed the measure to a point of attack.
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)bluestarone
(16,939 posts)Johonny
(20,849 posts)pass an equal rights law ...
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)in his family and administration with prison time. Healthcare for all. Repeal citizens United. Fair and smart immigration program. Smart and effective gun/ ammunition regulations. Expand Social Security. Eliminate corporate / billionaire welfare . Can't stop at 3.
kentuck
(111,094 posts)As a nation, we must know the truth whether or not Russia conspired with anyone in our government to influence our elections? We cannot continue until that truth is known.
Number 2) Put Adam Schiff in charge of the House Intelligence Committee. Get the answers, under oath, from all those that have gotten a free ride from the Republicans, led by Devin Nunes.
Number 3) Review all the regulations that have been repealed in the last 1 1/2 years. And fix them.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)2. Pass legislation to protect the ACA.
3. Use their subpoena power to investigate all the crimes of the Trump cabal.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)Fed min wage
Fix ACA
Reintroduce ERA
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Single payer healthcare.
and
Single payer healthcare.
unblock
(52,220 posts)1) my first priority would be for congress to investigate the crap out of all the wrongdoing.
2) pass bills that (a) motivate democrats to vote in 2020 and (b) drive a wedge between republicans in 2020.
+1 for realistic expectations of a majority that isn't veto-proof.
mcar
(42,323 posts)But the country will see Democrats actually legislating and trying to improve things.
BadSaratoga
(14 posts)Expand the Supreme Court.
elocs
(22,573 posts)Impeachment of anybody without any chance of conviction in the Senate is a waste of time and it's unintended consequence would be to simply fire up the Republican base. Not smart.
Without control of the Senate and the White House there will be no passing of anything into law.
Reality sucks, but it is what it is.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)elocs
(22,573 posts)Are those all there is to do? I notice you said nothing about firing up the Trump base.
33taw
(2,441 posts)rurallib
(62,414 posts)1. Pass legislation to protect/improve ACA
2. Pass legislation to protect/improve SS and Medicare
3. Institute real investigations of Russian election interference & Kavanaugh
I have many more re environment, immigration, education, voting rights, civil rights.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Nothing else will matter if we dont do something about that.