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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPolitico: Trump's final days. What if he simply refuses to leave the WH?
https://www.politico.com/magazine/amp/story/2018/09/19/donald-trump-final-days-220139What if, after having moved into the White House and gotten comfortable, Donald Trump refuses to check out when his term ends?
Preposterous, you say. No president, not even Trump, would dare to defy 200-plus years of political traditionnot to mention the Constitutionto illegally overstay. But how sure can we be that our norm-busting president wont attempt to shatter this inviolable standard, too?
dchill
(38,493 posts)Would that be OK?
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Kick him out and dump his shit out along the street.
NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)Forcibly pick him up and throw him out quite literally, saying we serve the president that has a constitutional right to the office, and that isnt you.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)If we can't even manage to get this done, we're finished.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)If Trump is no longer the president, he doesn't belong in the White House. Their #1 priority would be to the legitimate president.
dweller
(23,632 posts)that goes for miles and dumps his lousy ass in the Potomac ...
like that...
✌🏼️
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)Not trying to scare people into thinking itll actually happen. It wont. Just kind of interesting to think about.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Yes, the history and context are interesting reading. Thanks.
I knew there's no mechanism for postponing elections, but it's good to know congress has already made postponing, or "shelving," one specifically illegal.
Of course in 2017 Republican identifiers were about 28% of registered voters, and these were half of that 28%,so 14%. But still -- how about other factors, like after a major terrorist attack?
I'm with you in thinking it won't happen in spite of Trump's grievances and authoritarian megalomania. He's very timid when faced with people of authority. And there's the family effect.
So best guess is he'd just fold, after one of his periods of raging wore itself out perhaps.
atreides1
(16,079 posts)How many times have people said he wouldn't do something, only for him to go ahead and do it? He has a cabinet that will stand with him, he has some kind of hold over Republicans in Congress, he has corporate allies, and religious fanatics, we can be pretty sure that the Secret Service and the FBI is already under the control of Trump loyalists, and let's not forget his Russian friends!!!
Who trusts Mattis or Dunford or any of the Joint Chiefs...the majority of the military are rumored to be Republican supporters...can we actually trust the US military to honor their oath to support and defend the Constitution?
This isn't Nixon, during that time the people could still count on the Congress and the federal courts to act as equal branches of the government...do you, does anyone here actually have that level of confidence in either of those branches today?
You see Trump wouldn't have to confront anyone directly, he'll issue orders which will be followed, and he'll stay in the shadows until it's done! Then he'll step forward and explain why he had to take these actions and will claim it's all about "national security"!!!
I believe there is at least a 30-40% chance that he will make the attempt, more if the Democrats win back the House!!!
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)I have told people getting him out of the white house is going to look like the final scene in scarface.
He absolutely wood fight it if he had Republican majorities in Congress.
If Democrats had control of Congress, they might have some sort of chaotic exit. But he's immediately going to leverage his lunatic fans and start an active Insurgency.
elleng
(130,908 posts)(if necessary.)
BigmanPigman
(51,593 posts)she told Rachel so last night. You are going to have to take him kicking and screaming. I suggest an elephant tranquilizer and a padded truck with a full tank of gas to go directly to the Mental Ward at Bellevue. At least the moron will have a straitjacket on while they cart him off so he can't grab any woman's crotch.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)But he loves the power and that is what he will be reluctant to give up. I think your suggestion is excellent. At least it's less extreme than what I would suggest.
BigmanPigman
(51,593 posts)What the older Donald would like to tell the younger Donald. He said, "Don't run for president" and he wasn't kidding. He only wants the job to make money for his family and himself and to have 100% attention all the time.
I have very detailed and extreme ideas for punishment that I wish for him but if I wrote them here I would get kicked off of DU.
Grasswire2
(13,570 posts)Law enforcement tells us that if there is a dangerous man in a public space (train, 7-11, whatever) that the most safe way to deal with it is to make a path for that person to get out, and then let la enforcement take him down.
So Trump could be offered safe passage offshore vs. lockup at Leavenworth. Forfeit the assets, take all the clan, and be on some kind of supervised federal parole. Just go away.
PufPuf23
(8,776 posts)jambo101
(797 posts)over some percieved threat thereby keeping his post as president for at least the duration of the percieved crisis. Dont put anything past this slime ball,hes on a mission to destroy America.
no_hypocrisy
(46,110 posts)I envision Trump inviting his supporters nationwide to converge on the White House, to protect him.
The one personal drawback is if he leaves the WH to go golfing, he may not be admitted back (e.g., helicopter not allowed to take him back to the WH).
ProfessorGAC
(65,042 posts)So much for his "badass" supporters.
pansypoo53219
(20,977 posts)sounds like he does not dye his pubes like his 'hair'.
sprinkleeninow
(20,249 posts)Oh, man, that will be my nightcap b4 I hit the sack!
Thank you. My jaws are sore from 😆.
Ni-Ni. 😴
Cha
(297,240 posts)him?
sprinkleeninow
(20,249 posts)😆
VOX
(22,976 posts)And they occupy the WH, armed to the teeth. The news vans are everywhere, Trumpists have flocked to DC, as have the Never-Trumpers. The situation is primed to explode, tempers are short, and 45 wants Sean Hannity only (no one else, just Hannity) to come in and talk, and share his demands with the public.
The weirdest thing is, the scenario I just typed out above doesn't seem so far-fetched. We've seen all of it before, just not with the POTUS involved. (Note: I still don't regard 45 as president, but as a Russian useful-idiot asset, who was NOT put into office legitimately by the citizens of the U.S.)
idcdu
(170 posts)They'll go nuts after 24 hours after the fatsos raid the WH food supply. Divert NC coal ash water to WH.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)So he then can do as he pleases ignoring Congress altogether. Then expand his term and all powers he has. He'll never leave on his own.
LiberalFighter
(50,928 posts)Since DT will be trespassing at that time they can arrest him.
atreides1
(16,079 posts)I don't trust the Secret Service that much, why does anyone else?
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)He will have a detail as an ex, but it won't be the varsity team, that's reserved for the current Prez, not the priors.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,177 posts)raccoon
(31,111 posts)On him and drag him out.
JHB
(37,160 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)He can stay in the White House right up until the swearing in for all he wants. But as soon as the new president says the final word of the swearing in, Trump is no longer president and must leave or would be forcibly removed.
tavernier
(12,388 posts)Problem solved.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,875 posts)The River
(2,615 posts)No text
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)dlk
(11,566 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)doesn't trump have a lot of his own security around as well?
Staph
(6,251 posts)Visions of a shoot-out in the halls of the White House, with Russian mafia types in shiny suits going at it with buttoned Secret Service agents.
SS will have it all the way, on their home turf. I'm sure there are secrets in the security of the White House that no one knows but them. Lots of movies have proposed secret exits that go to Lafayette Park or the National Mall. They could hustle Trump through the tunnel, or bring in reinforcements through the same route.
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)Part of the reason given, IIRC, had to do with conflicts with the SS. It would seem like a major clusterfuck for two teams to be operating independently for his protection. Either way, the legitimate security forces will prevail, even if it means taking out the illegitimate forces by any means necessary.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)For bugs and not just the biological variety. This malicious turd is capable of just any sabotage from electronic to poison. During the Cold War the United States had to abandon construction of a new embassy due to Soviet sabotage imagine a more high tech Russian Federation version? Yes elections have consequences when they may have to tear down the Whitehouse due to Trump blight. When the new Russian embassy finally opened it cost $240 million to scrub the facility.
malaise
(268,998 posts)nuts - the perfect end for a pussy grabber.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Around the White House! And cut the phone and Twitter lines!
kentuck
(111,095 posts)..to try and talk him down?
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,340 posts)Nothing like his stylish and elegant Trump Tower apartment. Very tasteful decor.
sprinkleeninow
(20,249 posts)Johonny
(20,851 posts)and we all know it
Kaleva
(36,301 posts)liberalla
(9,247 posts)heh heh
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)But my guess is when he is finally faced whatever the ugly outcome of all this will be he will go ahead and make that leap. Then again if he can make money off of it he may let them drag him out kicking and screaming. I just don't know any more.
Freethinker65
(10,021 posts)Problem solved.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Trump is such a cowardly wimp. The very sight of a dozen Secret Service guys will be all that's needed to walk him out.
samir.g
(835 posts)tirebiter
(2,537 posts)and fired on the Russian White House when the Parliment refused to leave I remember watching that on CNN.
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