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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJudge Ellis is inserting himself into the Manafort trial in a very juvenile fashion.
Rachel just reading a transcript in which the judge is admonishing a prosecutor for looking down and rolling his eyes. The judge is becoming a distraction.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)Still wonder who his friends might be.
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)PJMcK
(22,023 posts)You might be wrong. According to Wikipedia:
There's a bit more at his Wikipedia entry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._S._Ellis_III
While Judge Ellis may be a conservative Republican, there isn't any evidence that he has a bias towards Trump.
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)I thought trump's admin moved him over to Eastern VA, but I didn't find that
onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)PJMcK
(22,023 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,828 posts)they do to judges that are inappropriate.
PJMcK
(22,023 posts)Thanks for posting a link.
spooky3
(34,425 posts)Very unprofessional unless the attorneys are truly making faces at him, which I doubt.
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)Bet he's got a demo reel ready togo after this trial.
BigmanPigman
(51,582 posts)Rachel said he acts like "an underfed alley cat caught in a rainstorm".
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)spooky3
(34,425 posts)judge's behavior--"he is far too involved..."
wishstar
(5,268 posts)Barbara McQuade said that the Judge told Gates that Manafort must not have been that closely involved in the business for Gates to have been able to embezzle so much. Totally improper for a judge.
onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)spooky3
(34,425 posts)but more importantly, residents have high average education levels. I don't know whether this jury is representative, but my guess would be that at least some of them will not be impressed or intimidated by the judge's behavior, and will pay more attention to the evidence.
magicarpet
(14,144 posts)Courtroom decorum tossed out the window. He treats the courtroom like his private playroom fiefdom.
tblue37
(65,269 posts)aggressive over minor or irrelevant details is a common symptom.
Or he could just be an arrogant, egotistical ass.
magicarpet
(14,144 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)He wants to be treated like the smartest person in the room
Only an asshole with shit poor judgement would have that mindset
This guy sounds like a jerk-off
UTUSN
(70,671 posts)what are a bunch of non-lawyers (the jury) supposed to think when they see a judge berating and screaming almost always at ONE side?!1
The guest said that misbehavior by a judge can be fixed by a writ of mandamus, "but I doubt we'll get into that territory."
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)(comments of the judge to the prosecutors) happens when the jury is out of the court room.
Also note that the prosecution is making its case right now, so most of his comments at the present time
would be to the prosecution.
emulatorloo
(44,098 posts)Manafort in my opinion kept fairly frequent updates, Gates said, after a discussion of movement between their consulting firms offshore accounts. Mr. Manafort was very good at knowing where the money was and where it was going.
Judge Ellis, as he has repeatedly, interjected.
He didnt know about the money you were stealing, Ellis said, so he didnt do it that closely.
sprinkleeninow
(20,235 posts)Now today I'm reading this.
What kind of 'decorum' coming from him...
Princess Turandot
(4,787 posts)They think that he is accosting the prosecution far more than usual, despite what some other observers are insisting about his style. They are attributing it to his publicly stated view that special prosecutors are a bad idea.
From: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/08/07/paul-manafort-trial-day-6-live-coverage
The section is near the end of the article:
9:37 a.m.: Behind judges clash with prosecutors, sharp opinions about special counsels
Judge Ellis has clashed repeatedly with prosecutors for Robert S. Mueller IIIs special counsel throughout Paul Manaforts trial, chastising them for introducing evidence he deems irrelevant, spending too much time on some issues and even for showing their frustration in their faces.
Ellis is never shy about telling lawyers what he thinks, but it is rare for him to so aggressively criticize prosecutors in trial. More often, his caustic remarks about wasted time and his interruptions mid-testimony come at a defendants expense. More than one defense lawyer has appealed to the Fourth Circuit on those grounds.
...
While he ruled that Mueller did have the authority to bring the charges against Manafort, he added in his opinion that the wisdom of allowing all links between individuals associated with President Trumps campaign and the Russian government to be subject to investigation, irrespective of how stale those connections might be, is seriously in doubt.
The latitude given to special prosecutors is an issue that has long concerned Ellis. In his opinion allowing the Manafort prosecution to go forward, despite his misgivings, he cited a 1997 judicial symposium he helped moderate called, The Independent Counsel Process: Is It Broken and How Should It Be Fixed?
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Princess Turandot
(4,787 posts)Judge Ellis, as he has repeatedly, interjected.
He didnt know about the money you were stealing, Ellis said, so he didnt do it that closely.
Wouldn't it have been the defense's role to make that remark?
And as others have said, even if he does this kind of shit nonstop during every trial, the jurors only know what he is doing in this one. I only hope that he's irritating them as well.
matt819
(10,749 posts)If Gates is convicted, maybe the judges behavior, even though it seems directed against the prosecution, can be used in the appeal.
As with Justice Kennedy, a) follow the money and b) what do Elliss Wife and kids do?
onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)The defense isn't going to appeal a conviction based on the fact he restricted the prosecution from engaging
in certain behavior.
It's there's an appeal it would be based on how the judge treats the defense and their case and arguments
when they start presenting them.
onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Unfortunately the prosecution cant get an appeal if they feel the judge damaged their case. He cant be tried again.
They can follow up w some sort of writ about judicial misbehavior (very rare) , but the prosecution loses anyway.
Hopefully the jury disregards this because it does seem well documented that Manafort well knew and approved of the illegal money transfers, etc. Exactly how close doesnt matter.
LiberalFighter
(50,828 posts)Or his financial status.
MurrayDelph
(5,293 posts)"Your honor, with all due respect: if you're going to try my case for me, I wish you wouldn't lose it."
no_hypocrisy
(46,061 posts)He threatened her with contempt and expulsion from the courtroom.
onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,061 posts)That could have been the give-away.
TomSlick
(11,096 posts)Judge: "Counsel, are you attempting to show your contempt for this court?"
Lawyer: "No, your honor. I am working very hard to hide it."
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onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)Judge Ellis, as he has repeatedly, interjected.
He didnt know about the money you were stealing, Ellis said, so he didnt do it that closely.
oasis
(49,365 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,235 posts)I don't know what to think at this point. Oy.
MontanaMama
(23,297 posts)and Im almost embarrassed to say it but I fear that all the optimistic talk that Manafort is screwed etc etc may be misplaced. The fix was in for tRump and the fix could very well be in for this too. Manafort is steadfast that he wont flip almost like he knows hell get off. I know it sounds crazy but after 2016, I will never be overconfident again...about anything.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)A couple weeks in real jail didn't get Manafort to flip, and if he can drag out both trials until after November (sentencing can surely be postponed that long) then he's counting on a pardon the day after the midterms are over. I'd venture to say that his hope is not in vain, Trump needed his help to get where he is today, and he hasn't done a Cohen to earn the ire of the Donald. He'll be rewarded like the loyal soldier that he has been playing the part of.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)he'll be worse than that. Yes, there is a jury trial, but there are situations where a judge can declare that a guilty verdict was an improper one to reach, and the judge can void the jury's decision.
That's what I'm afraid of. This assclown is a Repuke appointee, he may well have an agenda.
oasis
(49,365 posts)the defendant off with "time served" for the shaking death of an infant. She had served less than a year while awaiting trial.