Open Borders

[ck4829]

What are "Open Borders"? I can tell you what open borders will be. Any position Democrats take, anything they put on their platform, any word, any number of words, no matter how we say it, no matter what Democrats will campaign on, no matter how nuanced, soft, or hard-line, no matter how many headers, no matter how many sub-headers, no matter how many sections, no matter what the approach or how many approaches Democrats will or could possibly take will be declared to be a policy of "open borders" by Republicans, by Trump, by Fox News, by Evangelicals, and by the rest of the 'liberal' media.

Realize this now.

There is nothing that no Democratic incumbent, candidate, pundit, strategist, activist or anyone else can do or say that Republicans will not just say "Well that's open borders!" to.

Realize this now.

"Open Borders", this is an absolute, you will not find absolutes in reality, that is perhaps the only absolute. So we need to ask "What's wrong with more open borders?" We need to speak louder when they talk about immigrants and open borders and remind the American people that immigrants are the American people and are part of this country's spirit. And yes, we do need to point out the reality that more open borders would decrease the demand that human traffickers and smugglers would have.

Instead of talking about borders and walls, let's talk about doors.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

1. Doors are fine..

Open borders is not my position at all as a Democrat. When Russia has open borders...and Canada......and France and Italy, we can see how it works for them. The situation in the southern border is awful, but, don't let them turn their awfulness into a win. Open borders is a non sequitor.

[ck4829]

2. We've got to consider reality vs perception

You say: "Open borders is not my position at all" and I believe you.

Republicans say: "You want open borders"

"Open Borders!!!! RUN! SCREAM! PANIC!" will be the thing that gets that 30% to the polls.

If we're not damaging the smear-power "open borders" has instead of just saying "Oh God no, we're not for open borders!", we're not going to win.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

4. I'm clear on my position. I hear you.

Secure the voting boxes as well...then we win everytime. 30% of America seems to out-tally the other 2/3rds who are just as diligent as the 30% about voting. How is that without cheating?
We will lose if the votes are counted correctly. All else is distraction and a media cycle.
Ever notice most of the posts on here about dt? I'M SICK of dt 24/7. Secure the voting boxes. When we win, we can evaluate the rest of everything. Including HIM.

[Amishman]

3. This is why the 'abolish ICE' talk is not a good idea

True open borders isn't a good idea and isn't popular. What we really want is a reformed and more humane border policy.

It's hard to convince people we want the latter and not the former when we have a chunk of our party loudly pushing for abolishing ICE.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

5. That's right.

[ck4829]

6. A "reformed and more humane border policy" AKA "open borders" according to Republicans and Fox News

We can't keep running FROM the cult-like labels and smears they attack us with. We need to respond and not just react, we need to play with them, play devil's advocate, frame back, etc.