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NY_20th

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Crickets. we can do it Jun 2018 #1
From my twitter feed Gothmog Jun 2018 #4
I saw that yesterday.. I guess we're not Cha Jun 2018 #11
wooosh Blues Heron Jun 2018 #52
whoosh Cha Jun 2018 #54
You have to wonder about those who think it's all big joke, don't you? kcr Jun 2018 #66
raging at Stein supporters Blues Heron Jun 2018 #55
Jill Stein will Fuckng Do It Again in 2020.. she's got Cha Jun 2018 #68
She'll do it again if she gets that Russian money again Recursion Jun 2018 #86
You would have a point, if this hadn't happen one or two times before. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #79
I see no raging. Just a request. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #82
How surprising, right? NY_20th Jun 2018 #6
Well those folks probably don't want to get banned fescuerescue Jun 2018 #40
I think most members here vote for Democrats n/t leftstreet Jun 2018 #2
Agreed Gothmog Jun 2018 #3
They post. They just don't want you to know who they are. nt DURHAM D Jun 2018 #5
That's true. But if you're observant, they eventually reveal themselves... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #15
Yes. CentralMass Jun 2018 #26
If you're not aware, you need to know that this crap was mostly Trussian. hedda_foil Jun 2018 #7
I could never be manipulated into voting for Trump. NY_20th Jun 2018 #8
At one point there were six or more threads on Pizzagate on JPR Gothmog Jun 2018 #61
Sorry.. I personally know.. That is just Not true. Cha Jun 2018 #9
+1 SunSeeker Jun 2018 #23
ya got yer facts a lilttle wrong their hedda. Hillary was called every foul name in the book by still_one Jun 2018 #12
Nothing like a daily helping of alternative-facts, eh? NurseJackie Jun 2018 #16
Great example Jackie, and we don't even need Joesph Cotton................... still_one Jun 2018 #17
Thank You, still_one! Blitz them with FACTS.. Cha Jun 2018 #19
+1000 brer cat Jun 2018 #22
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #59
... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #13
No kidding! Cha Jun 2018 #18
No, they left because they couldn't get away with piling on Clinton supporters..... George II Jun 2018 #20
Yeah, the suckers wouldn't take the pledge not to Cha Jun 2018 #27
They left because they couldn't abide by the new Terms of Service... SidDithers Jun 2018 #21
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Jun 2018 #24
Yup. They shat all over Obama for 8 straight years... SidDithers Jun 2018 #29
Yep. I remember, Sid. I was here. SunSeeker Jun 2018 #32
Well Done, sir!.. excellent Cha Jun 2018 #69
The idiots who left DU for JPR also attacked President Obama Gothmog Jun 2018 #71
Thanks, Sid, for Shining SunLight.. the best Cha Jun 2018 #30
I'm a little confused, Hedda NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #25
It doesn't make any sense at all just like Cha Jun 2018 #31
No. The Bernie supporters felt run off the DU ranch, so most went to the new digs at JPR. hedda_foil Jun 2018 #34
Yes, JPR is full of Russian trolls but the posters there are idiots Gothmog Jun 2018 #62
So, in other words NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #72
You just exposed yourself as someone that likely did NOT vote for HRC. tonyt53 Jun 2018 #33
I absolutely voted for Hi!lary. But the tro!ling at JPR was very literate and sophisticated... hedda_foil Jun 2018 #36
No, you are wrong Gothmog Jun 2018 #63
You do get it that you're talking about the same Russian trolling as I am? hedda_foil Jun 2018 #67
LOL-the russian trolling was not sophisticated Gothmog Jun 2018 #70
What does this even mean sheshe2 Jun 2018 #37
Of course I thought of all that. That's why I voted for Hillary. hedda_foil Jun 2018 #39
what exactly are you accusing me of? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #47
That wasn't very civil, was it? betsuni Jun 2018 #56
No it sure wasn't, betsuni. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #78
Hedda-I was a delegate to the National Convention Gothmog Jun 2018 #64
"the atmosphere was made so toxic for Bernie supporters" -- the word "for" is wrong. betsuni Jun 2018 #38
Ive only been there a couple of time since the 2016 sprimaries, and you're quite right. hedda_foil Jun 2018 #41
It is still toxic-the local Our Revolution group attacked a candidate because he was Asian Gothmog Jun 2018 #65
JPR is a Pro Putin and Pro trump website Gothmog Jun 2018 #42
It didn't start out that way. As I said, it became a breeding ground for Trump/Russia trolls hedda_foil Jun 2018 #43
You are totally wrong Gothmog Jun 2018 #60
You remember Budapest very differently... GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #44
As many Sanders supporters as possible had to be pushed to reject Hillary. It wasn't automatic. hedda_foil Jun 2018 #45
Bull.. you're still pushing it. if the JPRs told you that Cha Jun 2018 #48
Stop with the inaccuracies GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #50
The wedge part is true. But over 90% of B Sanders supporters Hortensis Jun 2018 #57
A much better explanation than mine. GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #74
Do you approve of the attacks on Congressman John Lewis by JPR tpes Gothmog Jun 2018 #73
Yep. Deplorables are not created on sites like DU GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #75
I was speaking of more than two years in the past, specifically January - March 2016. hedda_foil Jun 2018 #80
Good.. because all you've made clear is that Cha Jun 2018 #84
You have not supported the premise of your argument with any facts Gothmog Jun 2018 #85
This is correct. Same language, same disregard for facts, same hate. betsuni Jul 2018 #87
Mahalo, GulfCoast.. I was here the whole Cha Jun 2018 #49
"the atmosphere was made so toxic for Bernie supporters" -- the word "for" is wrong. Cha Jun 2018 #46
You are correct in your posts on this thread, hedda ms liberty Jun 2018 #51
"The toxic atmosphere here on DU" made people vote for Hillary during the primary. ehrnst Jun 2018 #58
That would be interesting if there Cha Jun 2018 #10
I honestly doubt that Bettie Jun 2018 #14
Look beyond them crazycatlady Jun 2018 #28
I am. NY_20th Jun 2018 #76
If I ever encounter one of these mythical and powerful Stein voters I will direct them here Devil Child Jun 2018 #35
trollish, flame baitey Blues Heron Jun 2018 #53
totally R B Garr Jul 2018 #88
They'd have to take responsibility first and so far none I've seen have done that. lark Jun 2018 #77
I think any such request must be accompanied by significant ads-kissing to be considered... EffieBlack Jun 2018 #81
To clear up confusion, NY_20th Jun 2018 #83
Some of you are using this thread to create divisiveness NY_20th Jul 2018 #89

we can do it

(12,118 posts)
1. Crickets.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 05:53 PM
Jun 2018

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
4. From my twitter feed
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 05:56 PM
Jun 2018

Cha

(295,926 posts)
11. I saw that yesterday.. I guess we're not
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 04:18 AM
Jun 2018

the only ones who think stein's LIES should be shamed and they should be held accountable for enabling the Russians to Rig trump in.

Blues Heron

(5,898 posts)
52. wooosh
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 07:45 AM
Jun 2018

Cha

(295,926 posts)
54. whoosh
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 07:49 AM
Jun 2018

kcr

(15,300 posts)
66. You have to wonder about those who think it's all big joke, don't you?
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 10:21 AM
Jun 2018

Fucking woosh indeed.

Blues Heron

(5,898 posts)
55. raging at Stein supporters
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 08:04 AM
Jun 2018

Is quite simply the most important and pressing thing we can do right now, two years after her run. lol

What will you tell your Grandchildren? lol

The time has finally come! lol

Cha

(295,926 posts)
68. Jill Stein will Fuckng Do It Again in 2020.. she's got
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 10:36 AM
Jun 2018

millions of $$$$.. she and her Lying buddy Sarandon will be out there Lying their damn heads off again.

Lots of People are on to their shite and I'm grateful.


'
SS not only did nothing to stop trump she LIED to help get him Rigged in.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
86. She'll do it again if she gets that Russian money again
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 10:24 PM
Jun 2018


Man I really hope Mueller finds her campaign was in violation of finance laws...
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
79. You would have a point, if this hadn't happen one or two times before. nt
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 04:04 PM
Jun 2018
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
82. I see no raging. Just a request.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 04:33 PM
Jun 2018

I thought we were supposed to reach out. But apparently that's not good enough without a heaping dollop of ads-kissing.

 

NY_20th

(1,028 posts)
6. How surprising, right?
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:18 PM
Jun 2018

With all of the posts stressing to reach out to them, there doesn't seem to be an audience here to reach out to.

Perhaps DU isn't the place for some do their outreach and sympathy threads for this demographic, yet I've seen so many in the past few days.

Maybe those who want to reach out to this type of voter should spend their time doing so someplace else.

Maybe they can go knock on doors to find them, because looking for them here is a waste of everyone's time.





fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
40. Well those folks probably don't want to get banned
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:07 AM
Jun 2018

So crickets should be expected.

leftstreet

(36,081 posts)
2. I think most members here vote for Democrats n/t
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 05:54 PM
Jun 2018

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
3. Agreed
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 05:55 PM
Jun 2018

If you voted for Stein, you should not be posting on this board

DURHAM D

(32,596 posts)
5. They post. They just don't want you to know who they are. nt
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:05 PM
Jun 2018

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. That's true. But if you're observant, they eventually reveal themselves...
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 08:26 AM
Jun 2018
They post. They just don't want you to know who they are. nt
That's true. But if you're observant, they eventually reveal themselves. They can't resist threads and topics like this one. (Shhhh.... watch closely... I think I see one now.)




CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
26. Yes.
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:22 PM
Jun 2018

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
7. If you're not aware, you need to know that this crap was mostly Trussian.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:18 PM
Jun 2018

As in Trump/Russian. The info many on the left got manipulated them and some succumbed to it. Don't think you're immune to this kind of manipulation, because you're not. Nobody is.

And yes, I voted for Hilary, as did just about everyone here because the atmosphere was made so toxic for Bernie supporters during the primaries. In fact, most Duers who left for JPR did so in reaction to the vicious piling on from Hilary supporters, who themselves were possibly influenced by anti-Bernie memes from the same sources. Once lured to JPR, the Trussian manipulation began in earnest. The vast majority would never have left, much less voted for anyone but Hillary. without the nastiness afforded them here.

It's time to can it because it's beginning to look like the same thing is happening now. Trying to split Duer's won't help Dems gain votes in the midterms.

 

NY_20th

(1,028 posts)
8. I could never be manipulated into voting for Trump.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:39 PM
Jun 2018

It's just not possible.

I'm giving an opening for those who didn't vote for Hillary, but would like to join the Democratic Party in stopping this atrocity.

There have been several threads recently asking that we reach out to these voters. But where are such voters? Certainly not here.

So why is there such a demand to reach out to such voters, here?

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
61. At one point there were six or more threads on Pizzagate on JPR
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 09:37 AM
Jun 2018

No one who was intelligent bought the pizzagate theory. Trump supporters and idiots who post on JPR loved it. JPR posters are so full of hate that they will believe anything

Cha

(295,926 posts)
9. Sorry.. I personally know.. That is just Not true.
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 03:51 AM
Jun 2018

SunSeeker

(51,378 posts)
23. +1
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:17 PM
Jun 2018

still_one

(91,965 posts)
12. ya got yer facts a lilttle wrong their hedda. Hillary was called every foul name in the book by
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 04:23 AM
Jun 2018

these so-called progressives who went to JPR, including those who were not only more than willing to use the "c" word against her, and every other vile lie and distortion against her, and defended calling her that.


That so-called "vast" majority that you refer to who would have supposedly never left, left because they proudly declared they would NEVER for Hillary in the GE. They were selfish, self-centered, distrupters, who have NO REMORSE OR REGRET that they didn't vote for Hillary.


Don't try to con people with your revisionist history, because it is bullshit, and those same wonderful so-called JPR progressives did the same thing with President Obama, calling him a "POS used car salesman, and every other foul name".

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1280104210






NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
16. Nothing like a daily helping of alternative-facts, eh?
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:29 AM
Jun 2018

still_one

(91,965 posts)
17. Great example Jackie, and we don't even need Joesph Cotton...................
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:39 AM
Jun 2018

Cha

(295,926 posts)
19. Thank You, still_one! Blitz them with FACTS..
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 05:19 PM
Jun 2018

they can't handle it.

I've never seen such a bunch fiction that clearly never happened.

So many fires to put out!



brer cat

(24,402 posts)
22. +1000
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 07:21 PM
Jun 2018

Thanks, still_one. Unfortunately, they ran off a lot of good liberals here before they left.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
59. +1000. (nt)
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 08:47 AM
Jun 2018

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. ...
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 08:10 AM
Jun 2018

Cha

(295,926 posts)
18. No kidding!
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 05:09 PM
Jun 2018

What a bunch of revisionist history.

Mahalo, Jackie

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. No, they left because they couldn't get away with piling on Clinton supporters.....
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 05:28 PM
Jun 2018

Have you read the stuff over there?

Cha

(295,926 posts)
27. Yeah, the suckers wouldn't take the pledge not to
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:22 PM
Jun 2018

malign the Democratic Candidate with hateful brainwashed garbage.

Thanks George

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
21. They left because they couldn't abide by the new Terms of Service...
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 05:33 PM
Jun 2018

Check how many of the JPR asshats still have live accounts at DU, but are inactive because "Has not agreed to the Terms of Service"

And DU is a better place without them.

Sid

SunSeeker

(51,378 posts)
24. Exactly. nt
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:17 PM
Jun 2018

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
29. Yup. They shat all over Obama for 8 straight years...
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:31 PM
Jun 2018

then shat all over Hillary during the primary. And when it was clear their time for flinging poo all over DU had come to an end, they took their shit flinging somewhere else.



Sid

SunSeeker

(51,378 posts)
32. Yep. I remember, Sid. I was here.
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:38 PM
Jun 2018

I will never forget.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
69. Well Done, sir!.. excellent
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 10:45 AM
Jun 2018

commentary on the shite Flingers.

And, of course the jprs are Whining that they're the victims in all of this... I wouldn't expect anything more out of them.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
71. The idiots who left DU for JPR also attacked President Obama
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 11:28 AM
Jun 2018

The idiots who left DU for JPR were also people who hated President Obama. JPR types were never really members of the Democratic party

Cha

(295,926 posts)
30. Thanks, Sid, for Shining SunLight.. the best
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:32 PM
Jun 2018

Disinfectant.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
25. I'm a little confused, Hedda
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:20 PM
Jun 2018

about this:

And yes, I voted for Hilary, as did just about everyone here because the atmosphere was made so toxic for Bernie supporters during the primaries.


You voted for Hillary like "just about everyone here" because...people hurt Bernie supporters' feelings? Forgive me, but isn't that a little--well--weird?

Cha

(295,926 posts)
31. It doesn't make any sense at all just like
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:36 PM
Jun 2018

the rest of the gaslighting.

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
34. No. The Bernie supporters felt run off the DU ranch, so most went to the new digs at JPR.
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 11:53 PM
Jun 2018

JPR was started by longtime DUers, so it felt safe. It turned into prime hunting grounds for very effective Russian trolls who managed to turn a lot of aggrieved former DUers away from possibly voting for Hillary that November.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
62. Yes, JPR is full of Russian trolls but the posters there are idiots
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 09:41 AM
Jun 2018

Even now, these idiots are pushing that silly DNC fraud lawsuit. You do know that there are members of JPR who are evidently named plaintiffs in that silly lawsuit. That lawsuit is so stupid that it is funny. For example donors are not consumers under the District of Columbia deceptive trade practices act.

The people who left DU for JPR were not very bright and so were easy marks for Russian fake news. I still go look at that site to laugh and see what putin is pushing this week

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
72. So, in other words
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:06 PM
Jun 2018

they couldn't think for themselves, or do actual research, on who to vote for. It was all about their poor little aggrieved feelings.

How aggrieved are they NOW that children are being snatched from their parents, women's reproductive rights are at risk, health care is threatened, and voting rights are at risk?

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
33. You just exposed yourself as someone that likely did NOT vote for HRC.
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 11:01 PM
Jun 2018

And no, only a very naive person would have fallen for the nonsense being passed around on social media by Russians.

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
36. I absolutely voted for Hi!lary. But the tro!ling at JPR was very literate and sophisticated...
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:01 AM
Jun 2018

It was very different from Facebook memes and not posts. I stopped dropping in when it became virulently anti Hillary because I saw the fascist in Trump from day one and was committed to voting for her to stop him.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
63. No, you are wrong
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 09:45 AM
Jun 2018

The trolling at JPR was laughable at best. JPR posters are not very bright and so fell for pizzagate. No one who is intelligent could fall for pizzagate. Even now, the idiots on JPR are still pushing that moronic DNC fraud lawsuit because a number of these posters are class members.

According to JPR, Clinton was suppose to die before the Nov. 2016 election. These idiots really believe this and pizzagate. Only idiots would buy that crap

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
67. You do get it that you're talking about the same Russian trolling as I am?
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 10:30 AM
Jun 2018

JPR began in late winter -early spring. The trolling started out very sophisticated. By pizzagate, in the fall,too many had gotten onto the crazy train.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
70. LOL-the russian trolling was not sophisticated
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 10:57 AM
Jun 2018

The Russian trolling operations were not sophisticated and only idiots fell for it. The JRP idiots were influenced because they were all all idiots. The posters who left DU for JPR were mainly the less intelligent DU posters which explains why these posters were easily fooled.
Only an idiot would buy the pizzagate story which is why after a while the admis at JPR were so embarassed that they eventually ban that particular Russian fake story

There is a ton of hatred and stupidity still evidenced on the JPR site. Hate and stupidity are evidently requirements to post on that site. There is a disgusting picture on the greatest page of that site that I will not post because it is too stupid.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
37. What does this even mean
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:27 AM
Jun 2018
And yes, I voted for Hilary, as did just about everyone here because the atmosphere was made so toxic for Bernie supporters during the primaries.


I am having a hard time here understanding. You only voted for Hill because the atmosphere was made so toxic for Bernie supporters during the primaries.

What?

The toxicity was toward Hill not Bern...more revisionist history.

In fact, most Duers who left for JPR did so in reaction to the vicious piling on from Hilary supporters, who themselves were possibly influenced by anti-Bernie memes from the same sources.


I have to call this as revisionist history. The vicious piling on was not the Hill supporters. What exactly were the anti Bernie memes that you speak of? So you are telling me all those poor souls went and joined a hate site that promoted everything from pizza gate, to her ill with a deadly disease and called her the c word with the ADMINS permission.From what I read there they gleefully trash her.


Once lured to JPR, the Trussian manipulation began in earnest. The vast majority would never have left, much less voted for anyone but Hillary. without the nastiness afforded them here.


You were "Lured" to JPR? How so?

Aaaah the Trussians manipulated y'all when ya got there. Okie dokey. Let me see if I get this straight. Please correct me if I am wrong.

They lured you to join JPR? Must have been some great bait they put on that hook to lure so many. And you say you went there because people were nasty to you all and ya wouda coulda shoulda voted for Hill otherwise but for the nastiness here.

The vast majority would never have left, much less voted for anyone but Hillary. without the nastiness afforded them here.


OMFG. You never once thought about the Supreme Court? You never once thought about minority rights? You never once thought about the environment? You never once thought about our first amendment rights. You never once thought of all our children's futures? Never once...

The vast majority would never have left, much less voted for anyone but Hillary. without the nastiness afforded them here.

Please say it ain't so though I know it is.

Reason not to vote in the most important election in our lifetime...."They hurt my fee fees"

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
39. Of course I thought of all that. That's why I voted for Hillary.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:04 AM
Jun 2018

But not only was there rampant Bernie hatred here, you happened to be part of it. I know it was motivated by your dedication to Hillary, but it's true. It's also true that a few hundred Bernie supporters felt driven off. The Trussians took advantage of people's avid support of each candidate and helped to drive a normal primary divide into a split to the bone.


I never left DU and am much too committed a Democrat to vote for anyone else in the General. But I did frequent JPR early on and saw what was happening so I left. I didn't fall for the divide and conquer technique that time, but I know it could happen to me too, even though I watch out for it.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
47. what exactly are you accusing me of?
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 02:02 AM
Jun 2018
But not only was there rampant Bernie hatred here, you happened to be part of it. I know it was motivated by your dedication to Hillary, but it's true. It's also true that a few hundred Bernie supporters felt driven off.


I was part of i.? lollollol. I was driven off this board by bros and only got back thanks to Skinner.

betsuni

(25,136 posts)
56. That wasn't very civil, was it?
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 08:07 AM
Jun 2018

Another ridiculous conspiracy theory. Typical.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
78. No it sure wasn't, betsuni.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 03:42 PM
Jun 2018

This whole thread is just cra!

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
64. Hedda-I was a delegate to the National Convention
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 09:53 AM
Jun 2018

I live in the real world. It takes a great deal of work in the real world to be a delegate to a national convention. Under DNC rules, each candidate has absolute approval rights over their delegates and all campaigns carefully vet their delegates. I was carefully vetted by the Clinton campaign. The Sanders campaign used one criteria to vet delegates. They had to hate Hillary Clinton. At the Texas State Democratic Convention in 2016, a delegate was removed and replaced by the Sanders campaign because that delegate would not state that they hated Clinton (that poor kid was a guest of the Texas Democratic Party to the National Convention to make up for the shabby treatment by the Sanders campaign). There was a ton of poor conduct at the convention including a number of sanders delegates yelling obscenities at my child (who was my guest) and calling her the C-word for not agreeing to get me to change my vote.

There was a planned stunt by the sanders delegates at the National Convention to boo Congressman John Lewis. I was warned of this stunt 20 or 30 minutes in advance by my whip. Sanders evidently knew of this stunt and refused to stop it. Again candidates should be responsible for the bad conduct of their delegates. Sanders did nothing to control his delegates and that hurt the convention and the campaign. I also was the convention breakfast where jpr types called on the Texas delegation to condemn Hillary Clinton and vote for sanders




I saw sanders delegates at the national convention who were so full of hate that it was not funny. Again, the real world is a nice place. I have to deal with JPR types in the real world but people are not ignoring them.

betsuni

(25,136 posts)
38. "the atmosphere was made so toxic for Bernie supporters" -- the word "for" is wrong.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:51 AM
Jun 2018

Should be "by." Anybody can check the archives. It's history.

JPR is like a medieval village where people get hysterical over solar eclipses and werewolves. Most of the time links they provide don't even back up their claims. I think they don't bother reading them. DUers read. Big difference.

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
41. Ive only been there a couple of time since the 2016 sprimaries, and you're quite right.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:07 AM
Jun 2018

It didn't start out toxic, but was tipped into fantasyland in a couple of months. Nobody there now but the trolls.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
65. It is still toxic-the local Our Revolution group attacked a candidate because he was Asian
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 09:56 AM
Jun 2018

The local Our Revolution group in my county are clearly JPR types. These idiots campaigned against a candidate because he was Asian and had a funny first name. http://www.indoamerican-news.com/local-democrats-infighting-attempts-to-smear-sri-kulkarni/

Like many other youngsters going through their tumultuous teen years, Kulkarni attributed the episode to youthful indiscretion, similar to what George W. Bush, Barak Obama and Bill Clinton experienced in their youths.

But Beaton, who is backing candidate Steve Brown in the primary, is throwing out all sorts of minor issues to sideline Kulkarni’s bid. He has challenged Kulkarni’s full name, his residency in the district, his voting record and even his registration application saying he wanted to run in Massachusetts.

Inspite of these diversions, the Indian American community as well as the rest of the South And East Asian communities are staunchly behind Kulkarni and they have shown it by the sheer numbers who have come to his events and are donating funds to his campaign, sensing a chance to have an Asian in Congress from the Metroplex. They came together last night, Tuesday, February 20, at Madras Pavlion to rally behind Kulkarni and push back against these charges.

Encouraged, Kulkarni is counting on their support. “We’re pushing back against this stigmatization and slander,” Kulkarni said. “The Asian communities need to come out and vote to get us over the top in the primary.”

From another article http://www.indiawest.com/news/global_indian/texas-congressional-candidate-sri-kulkarni-acknowledges-teen-drug-arrest-youthful/article_54a39be6-1e55-11e8-8db1-6f520552146f.html

Doug Beaton, the leader of the chapter, warned Fort Bend County Democratic officials on Kulkarni's previously undisclosed past in a letter posted on social media, it said.

The letter suggested that Kulkarni, whose full first name is Srinivas, is running under an assumed name and that he had previously registered with the Federal Election Commission to run for a congressional seat in Massachusetts.,,,,

Fort Bend County's past Democratic chair, Don Bankston, a member of the party's state executive committee, said the attack on Kulkarni is off base and potentially slanderous, according to the report.

The head of the Our Revolution group told voters that Sri is "not one of us" and we do not want "one of them on the ballot." As noted above, these Our Revolution attacks failed. BTW, I had fun at the state Convention last weekend. Sri spoke to the Jewish Caucus and started his presentation in Hebrew.

I have had my share of exposure to JPR types. I am tired of these idiots.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
42. JPR is a Pro Putin and Pro trump website
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:13 AM
Jun 2018

There are a number of threads on the greatest page of that site that are disgusting. These idiots hate Hillary Clinton, people who voted for Hillary Clinton and people who post on this website (we are called site SV by these morons). I am not going to link to this hate site but go read the hate filled threads on the greatest page

For example this post is the top post on that hate site's greatest page

I'm going to say it
F##K EVERYONE who voted for Hillary Clinton.

I don’t care why you voted for her. I don’t care if you loved the fact that she was an oligarch or liked her hideous yelling voice or her laughing about mass murder or justified her vote even though she was less liberal than Goldwater or she somehow “inspired” you (what the hell is up with that anyway – are you 8 years old who believes that being married to a mediocre President somehow makes YOU qualified?). Unless you were too ill or otherwise physically incapable of voting or your vote was suppressed, fuck everyone who voted for the useless candidate who already LOST once and couldn’t “win” the second time without blatantly STEALING the nomination

I edited the f-word out.

Here is another gem
Every hateful shriek of blame makes me more proud of my vote
Hey feckless resistance cunts, you don’t own my mind, body, soul, or vote. Until you accept that, and make meaningful adjustments to inspire people to vote for your platform and candidates, YOU are the ones f##king the world with your choices.

We are not going to reason with these hate mongers.

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
43. It didn't start out that way. As I said, it became a breeding ground for Trump/Russia trolls
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:19 AM
Jun 2018

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
60. You are totally wrong
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 09:35 AM
Jun 2018

The posters on JPR are mainly hate mongers whose hatred for Clinton has always been sad. I engaged in some really fun threads with a couple of JPR idiots on the issue of whether Hillary Clinton broke the law on the e-mails. These JPR posters are both no lawyers who were totally ignorant of the law but they did some very long threads on why Hillary had to be put into jail immediately without a trial. Non-lawyers are really fun to laugh at when then try to understand legal concepts and these JPR posters were so full of hate that it was not even funny.

The JPR site is full of Russian trolls and former posters on this board who are so full of hate that it is sad. The two JPR non-lawyer idiots were convinced that Clinton needed to be in prison without the benefit of a trial because of their "legal" reasoning. These idiots gave the lawyers on this board a great deal of material to laugh at.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
44. You remember Budapest very differently...
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:23 AM
Jun 2018

Your narrative is Bullshit.

The FBI and NSA has already released a report that the Russians trolled on line in favor of Trump and Sanders. Not AGAINST Sanders. You coming here and trying to blame them for Anti-Sanders propaganda is just more propaganda. They were I the tank for him.

Don’t alert on me. This is what the report said. Not saying Bernie was aware of it. But those are the facts. Unless you consider the report from the NSA fake news.

And the poor souls...lured to JPR. Where they are free to revel in their misogyny and proTrump bullshit and are free to call Hillary the C-word.

I was new here. And the speed with which Hillary supporter were alerted on was, well let’s say suspicious in hindsight. And then the crash on Election Day.

Bernie supporters looking for sympathy here need to look hard. Cause he was bolstered by Putin. Willing or not.

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
45. As many Sanders supporters as possible had to be pushed to reject Hillary. It wasn't automatic.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:49 AM
Jun 2018

The Russotrumpian methodology was twofold. First Feed Hillary's most avid supporters ugly stories about Bernie to ensure they're angry at Bernie's supporters. At the same time, feed anti Hillary stories to the Bernie folks to drive the wedge between them deeper. It was all helped along by Trussians fanning the flames on both sides. The result? Fewer voted for Hillary.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
48. Bull.. you're still pushing it. if the JPRs told you that
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 02:20 AM
Jun 2018

it's because they Always have to be the Victims/Bullies

Gulf Coast told you straight up what happened. What he wrote are the FACTS and the TRUTH.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
50. Stop with the inaccuracies
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 07:02 AM
Jun 2018

You did it again. Trying to paint Bernie as a victim of Russian meddling along with Clinton.

That is a false narrative. The Russian were not try to harm Bernie. The Intelligence agency’s were clear...the Russian were planting false stories and starting Rumors to help Bernie and harm Hillary. Some here on DU ate it up like a free lunch. Most of them are gone.

We all saw it and see it starting again.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
57. The wedge part is true. But over 90% of B Sanders supporters
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 08:45 AM
Jun 2018

voted happily for Hillary as their second choice.

What we're talking about are the OTHER 8+% of B Sanders voters. The hostiles, the anti-Democrats, whose favorite delusions and lies were merely amplified by the Russians.

THAT's their technique: To identify character flaws and weaknesses that need divisions and feed them.

It's still happening, of course. Subtract the majority who wanted Hillary in the primary, plus the 90% of Sanders voters who joined them, as well as the conservative spoilers who voted Sanders to defeat Democrats, and we're left with a single-digit group too small to affect the party -- on their own.

As a tool for Republican, conservative media, and Russian propaganda, though, hostile dissidents can be used to hurt the Democratic Party, and that's the problem. More so when they know it and accept the assistance. Their lying message of crooked Democrats did not originate with them, but with the right; they and the Russians piggybacked on it though.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
74. A much better explanation than mine.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:47 PM
Jun 2018

Thank you.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
73. Do you approve of the attacks on Congressman John Lewis by JPR tpes
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:18 PM
Jun 2018

Again, I was a delegate to the national convention. I was warned by my whip that the Sanders delegation had a planned attack on Congressman John Lewis. This was evidently a long planned event because my whip told me about it 20 to 30 minutes before it happen and I was later told that sanders knew of this stunt and took no steps to stop it.

The idiots at JPR were thrilled at this attack. https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/hey-john-lewis-karmas-a-mf-aint-it/

Hey John Lewis; karma's a MF, ain't it?
When you had the chance to get behind a true progressive in the primaries, you pretended you had no idea who he was. Not only that, you did so in a press conference in order to show your allegiance to Hillary “bring them to heel” Clinton. Yep. You sold your legacy of police beatings and marches for civil rights with MLK to align yourself with the biggest corporate sellout loser candidate the dems have ever run. “Why would you have done such a thing?” people may wonder. Well, I’m sure it has nothing to do with attaining more power in an already corrupt system that you don’t seem to have a problem with now that you’re a part of it. So when you take to the stage and claim that Trump isn’t a “legitimate” president, not only are you wrong, you’re also to blame for his having been elected in the first place. You and every other sellout in the party can all go fuck yourselves. And please do so in a place that’s far away from any levers of power.

NanceGreg is one of my favorite posters on this board. Nance collected some of the comments from that JPR thread https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028476265

… you should be aware that the self-proclaimed True Progressives ™ at JPR are not only in complete agreement with Trumplethinskin’s assessment, but feel that he didn’t go far enough in discrediting the civil rights icon:

”You sold your legacy of police beatings and marches for civil rights with MLK to align yourself with the biggest corporate sellout loser candidate the dems have ever run. So when you take to the stage and claim that Trump isn’t a “legitimate” president, not only are you wrong, you’re also to blame for his having been elected in the first place.”

”He went from Civil Rights Icon to Civil Rights Sell-out. Despicable.”

”He actively worked to take down the people's candidate and helped sink his the campaign of a fellow civil rights champion. His support of $hillary who was illegitimate in so many ways, greatly weakens his charges against Trump. Lewis helped sink the most legitimate candidate we have had in my lifetime. His opinion on who is legitimate or not does not move me.”

”Well, he supported a white supremacist and a white supremacist got elected. So I dunno what his problem would be.”

” How's his Super Delegate shit working for him now?? And his low life arm twisting …oh yeah…he is throwing his temper tantrum now!! tough shit!!”

”Fuck him and fuck his “civil rights” cred. You have no street cred now, Mr. Lewis. You could have been MLK’s Siamese twin, but that means jack shit now. You sell out. Hillary ass kisser. Fuck off and cry.”

Also on the JPR homefront: Trump is the legitimately-elected pOTUS, and all stories about his Russian ties are “fake news”. The “Establishment” is trying to “steal” his presidency away from him because they were planning a war with Russia, and the peace-loving Trump - as always mindful of the welfare of others - is standing in their way by pursuing a meaningful friendship with Putin.

Amazed at how the (alleged) True Progressives ™ on JPR have so quickly morphed into Trumpettes? You shouldn’t be. That’s what happens when a site full of malleable malcontents is overrun with RWers, and are willing to swallow any swill emanating from anti-Dem sources.

JPR takes “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” idiocy to a whole new level. They are now on-board with Mr. Tangerine Man, based solely on the fact that he “saved” them from the horrors that a Hillary presidency would have brought about – like appointing billionaire, Goldman-Sachs-type corporatists to her Cabinet. (So glad we dodged THAT bullet!)

So beware of Trumpettes wearing JPR's version of True Progressive ™ clothing. They were RWers (or RW wannabees) all along – or sadder still, mindless sheep willing to follow the Judas Goat without hesitation, while pretending to be independent "thinkers" immune to being led by the nose to the slaughterhouse.

JPR posters are sick and sad people. Attacks on DU had nothing with these idiots leaving. JPR posters on this thread are so full with hate that they had to attack a national treasure like Congressman John Lewis.

BTW, Congressman Lewis was busy today



Claiming that JPR posters are nice or innocent persons whose feelings were hurt on DU is a false claim. Russia had nothing to do with the underlying sickness of JPR posters

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
75. Yep. Deplorables are not created on sites like DU
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:53 PM
Jun 2018

They came here that way and left that way.

The booing congressman Lewis was a low for the party.

I can not and will not forgive or look to make peace with that kind of person. And Never for get that they were delegates at the Democratic National Convention. And never forget who they supported. And still support.

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
80. I was speaking of more than two years in the past, specifically January - March 2016.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 04:21 PM
Jun 2018

You are, of course, correct about its current state. What I have been saying is that the early group of DUers who first posted on JPR were self isolated, which made them vulnerable to propaganda -- first on a very sophisticated level, then rapidly becoming increasingly crude. By the time of the 2016 election, the trolling was at the pizzagate level of insanity.

I'm not talking about anything after winter 2016, when the attacks on DU from both Hillary and Bernie sides hit a level of toxicity that many old timers on both sides were banned. Each side was convinced that the other side hated and despised their candidate. That drove many Bernie supporters at DU away -- to the brand new JPR site, set up by DUers and named for a DUer of blessed memory, the late Jackpine Radical.

Because of the mass movement, there was a high level of trust at first -- everyone knew everyone else because -- again at first -- everyone there came from DU. That level of trust made it easy for the odd troll (at first) and a few apparent sleeper agents, to insert sophisticated, seemingly documented anti-Hillary propaganda, and have much of it accepted. People were led down a path very few of them would have taken if they weren't isolated at a site where the human propensity to believe negative stories about their tribe's (or sub-tribe's) opponent(s) could so easily take hold.

That's my last attempt to make my opinion clear.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
84. Good.. because all you've made clear is that
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 08:20 PM
Jun 2018

you have no clue what the JPR IDIOTS are about.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
85. You have not supported the premise of your argument with any facts
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 10:20 PM
Jun 2018

I have followed JPR since its formation. The JPR founders were not changed by Russian propaganda. That is not how propaganda works in the real world. These founders were filled with hatred which colored their views and made it easy for them to buy in to Russian Fake news. But Russia had nothing to do with the threads posted by these posters on DU wanted Hillary Clinton put into prison without a trial due to her e-mails. Several early members of JPR pushed this concept on a large number of threads on DU. I enjoyed these threads in that the JPR posters were non lawyers and made complete asses of themselves on these threads. As a lawyer, I found these threads to be so dumb that these threads were funny.

Russian fake news would not explain why the idiots on JPR hate Congressman John Lewis and why they attacked him at every opportunity. There is still anger on that board and on twittter towards any African Americans who refused to support sanders. Russia had nothing to do with the hatred on that board for a legend and hero like Congressman John Lewis.

Hatred and irrationality explains the stupidity on JPR. There is a ton of Russia material on that site and some real Russian trolls are active. However, this type of propaganda only works if there was hatred to play on. Hatred and stupidity explains the posts on JPR and why Russia is so popular over there. BTW, Assange is evidently still ha hero over there as is Putin.

You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts. I have been observing JPR for a long time and I strong disagree with your claims. The facts do not support your claims

betsuni

(25,136 posts)
87. This is correct. Same language, same disregard for facts, same hate.
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 02:00 AM
Jul 2018

All there in the archives. The call was coming from inside the house.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
49. Mahalo, GulfCoast.. I was here the whole
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 03:05 AM
Jun 2018

time and your summary of a few things that went down is exactly right.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
46. "the atmosphere was made so toxic for Bernie supporters" -- the word "for" is wrong.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:55 AM
Jun 2018
Should be "by." Anybody can check the archives. It's history.

betsuni is Exactly right. You need to stop trying to rewrite history. It's not working.

It's all catalogued on DU.

ms liberty

(8,479 posts)
51. You are correct in your posts on this thread, hedda
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 07:36 AM
Jun 2018

And the attacks on you are coming from some of those you've described, but of course they deny it. And the op? Signed up on June 2.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
58. "The toxic atmosphere here on DU" made people vote for Hillary during the primary.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 08:46 AM
Jun 2018

Speak for yourself, but I make up my own mind on who to support.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
10. That would be interesting if there
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 04:03 AM
Jun 2018

would be anyone who checked in

Bettie

(15,998 posts)
14. I honestly doubt that
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 08:18 AM
Jun 2018

there are many people who didn't vote or voted third party on here.

OK, there may be a few trolls lurking, but not even a scant handful of actual people.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
28. Look beyond them
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:24 PM
Jun 2018

Instead of focusing on this, there's a new generation ready to head to the polls.

Let's focus on Gen Z voters (born after 1996). They found their issue, now let's get them active.

 

NY_20th

(1,028 posts)
76. I am.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:56 PM
Jun 2018

I'm spending my efforts and time on unregistered voters who for whatever reason haven't participated in voting.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
35. If I ever encounter one of these mythical and powerful Stein voters I will direct them here
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 11:57 PM
Jun 2018

But I haven't met a single Stein voter in my day to day life. Hell, I've never encountered someone outside of internet forums who is even aware of Stein's existence.

Blues Heron

(5,898 posts)
53. trollish, flame baitey
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 07:46 AM
Jun 2018

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
88. totally
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 02:12 AM
Jul 2018

Multiple threads about "unity", ahem.

lark

(23,003 posts)
77. They'd have to take responsibility first and so far none I've seen have done that.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 02:00 PM
Jun 2018

Susan Sarandon is a prime example. These people are almost as idiotic as the true drumpf believers and drumpf and russia wouldn't have been able to steal the election without their stupid assistance every step of the way. To this day, I have not seen one of them admit the glaring truth of their treachery to our country and the result it caused.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
81. I think any such request must be accompanied by significant ads-kissing to be considered...
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 04:30 PM
Jun 2018

So you fail.

 

NY_20th

(1,028 posts)
83. To clear up confusion,
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 04:42 PM
Jun 2018
 

NY_20th

(1,028 posts)
89. Some of you are using this thread to create divisiveness
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 02:26 AM
Jul 2018

So, with that in mind, I'm self deleting this thread.

For transparency, this was my thread topic:

Stein voters, 3rd party voters and non voters

check in here if you are willing to help us gain back control and fix the Trump atrocity.

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