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(6,288 posts)His is one continuous message against Democrats.
He may as well declare his real wish for this country along with Sarandon & Stein & the 3rd Party & Tea Party-like fringe against Democrats.
Thanks for Trump's New Reich you asshole.
Gothmog
(145,619 posts)Cenk is an idiot and is now pushing russian fake news.
KansasKali
(105 posts)He's a lost cause.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)It's sorta like the "just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you" situation. He can be trash, but right. Had a boss one time that said, "the only worse than an asshole, is an asshole that's right". She lost. She even admits to mistakes. We (the democratic party) didn't take seriously enough the risk of nominating someone who was under and FBI investigation. That didn't mean much to us, because of course we all knew it was bogus. But to the 3 - 5 % (in about 4 states) of voters that decided this election, that meant enough. I'm not really willing to say Bernie would have won, he had problems of his own. Hillary didn't get enough of the AA vote out, he'd a done way worse. But it isn't clear that his problems would have been less than HRC's.
We'll never know and really all of this "you should apologize, no YOU should apologize" really isn't getting anyone anywhere. If we want to have a post mortem, fine, but it isn't about apologies. It is about what was "knowable" as a guide for the future. I don't think anyone knows what's gonna happen in 2020. I'd probably make a small bet the eventual nominee isn't all that well known to most of us right now. Nothing wrong with assessing what not to do next time around. But I'm actually paying much more attention right now to November 2018.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and that is any leftbro pundit who spent a large chunk of time telling Dems to stay home or vote Trump/3rd party *DO* need to fucking admit their shortsighted culpability and apologize, imo... (and yes, I can name names)
And I'm *still* waiting for anyone to explain to me how Sanders was a guaranteed win against Trump when his campaign managers/strategists handled the primaries far worse than Hillary's people handled the general...
But ultimately this goes deeper than "apology"... Folks can laugh or say I'm being extreme, but ever since Dec. 2016 I've been calling for some kind of truth-and-reconciliation moment in the leftist pundisphere for the Hillary haters, anti-anti-Trump crowd, and general purpose ratfuckers who willfully sabotaged their own candidate since so many of them are appearing regularly on Fox News or writing for far-right site now (One of the most popular ones of 2016, Cassandra Fairbanks, happily outed herself as a Kremlinist ratfucking infiltrator and she's been laughing her ass off ever since). Because the bottom line is I know many of these piece of shit traitors still have huge audiences, and if they kneecapped us in 16, they'll do it in 18 and 20... And the stakes are too high for me to allow that to happen... If the Cenks of the world still want to screech in 2018 that HRC was the the worst candidate ever and that her policies still would have been worse than Trump's? Fine... But in that case their asses need to be purged from the legitimate honest progressive movement and relegated to the LaRouche/Green Party fringe where they belong...
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Yeah, I'm perfectly willing to accept that Hillary might have been the "wrong" candidate. That doesn't mean that Bernie was the "right" one.
Cha
(297,723 posts)and their FUCKING FECKLESS enablers stole it.
xmas74
(29,676 posts)The other side offered a side show instead of an actual candidate and the media played along.
It's hard to be an adult when the other side is screaming for chocolate milk and juice boxes.
You are right on as usual.
Aloha Cha
Cha
(297,723 posts)put out, pandr.
I'm getting exhausted.
Aloha!
manor321
(3,344 posts)That is the problem. Attacking the Democrats AFTER the primary finished.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)That has been their mission from the beginning.
They go about it exactly how Trump destroys people.
GoCubsGo
(32,095 posts)Some things never change, eh?
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niyad
(113,582 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It seems like there is a sea of tits here, and I am drinking in tiny droplets. I want to dive into the whole god damn ocean, Cenk Uygur
"Obviously, the genes of women are flawed. They are poorly designed creatures who do not want to have sex nearly as often as needed for the human race to get along peaceably and fruitfully. Cenk Uygur
Women, ignore these at your peril, Rule 1: There must be some serious making out by the third date. If I havent felt your tits by then, things are not about to last much longer. In fact, if you dont get back on track by the fourth date, youre done. Rule 2: There must be orgasm by the fifth date. Cenk Uygur
In one small Pennsylvania town we stopped for gas, and while Cenk filled up I went to talk to these three girls who were walking down the road nearby. Turns out they were three teenage girls, whores in training, literally looking for boys to pick them up. They were around 14-16 and in a few more years will be pretty damn good looking. David Koller VP of operations at TYT
"A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused." Bernie Sanders
"A woman enjoys intercourse with her man as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously." Bernie Sanders
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Thanks for reminding why we are rapidly heading towards the sick putrid odor of old geezer patriarchy.
Voters gave up the rights of women & girls to glorify these dirty old men.
treestar
(82,383 posts)In what peril is a woman by not wanting sex with him soon enough? Losing him? LOL, no loss there.
LyndaG
(683 posts)He'll land on his feet no matter who is elected. Most of the rest of us aren't so lucky.
R B Garr
(16,985 posts)to recycle some buzz words. What an absolute phony.
Fullduplexxx
(7,870 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Specifically the campaign staff. Huma should have been sacked ahead of the scandal. They should have just begged the OFAers to move over to the Clinton campaign -- whatever the cost... there was certainly enough $$$ to pay those who had moved to the private sector. They would have gotten the necessary canvassing to pull out Michigan and Pennsylvania. Their models would have anticipated and addressed issues ahead of time. They knew how to manage the media better.
There was an arrogance to the Clinton campaign. They thought they would win too. It was only in the home stretch when they realized everything they were up against and considered the fact that they were outmatched. By the media, by Putin, by Ryan and McConnell...
Bill is a politician, but Hillary really isn't. She's a solutions-oriented policy person, which made it all the more imperative that her VP pick and her campaign personnel were top-of-their-game in fighting the political battle of our lives.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Cha
(297,723 posts)Maybe if he had gotten OFF his LYING A$$$$$$$ and worked HARD in the GE we wouldn't be in this Tragic Mess now.
But that wouldn't be on his agenda, would it?
Cha
(297,723 posts)The Russians hijacking the election, jill stein LIES in the crucial swing states, the m$m, the Russian bots, Cambridge analytical, james comey.. and Hillary still got 3 million more votes than the Fascist.
Was her campaign perfect, no.. but they weren't "arrogant" as you say.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)And probably still a Republican in sheep's clothing, kinda like Ed Schultz (who I never trusted).
But I do believe there was an arrogance to Hillary's campaign. They didn't take the potential damage Sanders would cause seriously until it was too late. I have a couple of former classmates, good people, who worked on her campaign. Team Hill could have learned much from the two Obama campaigns for President, but thought they knew what they were doing.
And now we're in hell. Yes, Hillary faced unprecedented opposition. But there was a way to win this thing with a smarter campaign (similar to Obama 2008). I hope we, as a party, have learned from our mistakes and will move on to be victorious in the future.
Cha
(297,723 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Cha
(297,723 posts)back me up on this who was there every step of the way!
She was so kind.
TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)I used to like TYT, but stuff like this pisses me off.
peekaloo
(22,977 posts)the people running her campaign made a major misstep by ignoring the base. No outreach to Democratic voters, instead they were "laser focused" on Independents. When myself and another prospective volunteer brought up our experiences on Obama's ground game we were dismissed as "not understanding the big picture". I can still feel the rock in my stomach after that exchange.
btw I'm speaking of door to door campaigning.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)I heard similar reports from people in Michigan. People who had experience with the Obama campaigns could see these missed opportunities for canvassing. OFA knew where the votes were, knew right down to the CD where to send people. I cannot for the life of me understand why this same type of modeling and technology was not utilized for Hillary's campaign.
KellyAnne CONway is vile, but she applied those exact principles to Trump's campaign. She had the data that showed where his potential votes where and what racist messages his sycophants wanted to hear.
The important thing is that we grow. There are so many lessons to be learned from this debacle. Securing our state and municipal elections, making sure we have Democratic governors and Secretaries of State to secure the voting results, transitioning to a paper ballot or receipt-type voting system, drawing fairer Congressional maps... we have to do all these things.
But I refuse to accept that this was not a winnable race, given all the obstacles. People who refuse to acknowledge the missteps of the Hillary campaign make it more likely that we will repeat the same mistakes again. Instead of being weakened, Trump is getting stronger. He could steal a second term if we don't get our shit together.
Cha
(297,723 posts)on her very own thread that Soph posted..
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210807951
MFM
Will do.
mcar
(42,376 posts)Response to mcar (Reply #18)
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Demonaut
(8,927 posts)sheshe2
(83,929 posts)LOL, we all knew that...well most of us did.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,503 posts)Almost to a man, my union friends would have voted for Bernie. I cant understand how they went from Bernie to Тяцмр, because theyre diametrically opposed, but they did. No matter how I cajoled and reasoned and pleaded, they would not move after the primary. They absolutely hate Hillary and that goes across all the blue collar areas. Almost the entire rust belt would have gone Bernie over Тяцмр. The blue wall would have held because of his pro-labor message.
But it really doesnt matter now. She still should have won. She almost certainly did win but it was close enough to steal because her negatives were so high. And mostly due to ridiculous propaganda against her. Its a damn shame, she would have been great at the job.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Cha
(297,723 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(3,503 posts)I suspect youre wrong about my being wrong.
Cha
(297,723 posts)Like pnwmom posts.. Russia didn't want BS, either... they wanted trump.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,503 posts)A lot more blue collar workers would have voted Blue. We only lost by about 100k votes total. That probably would have made the difference.
But, as I said, it doesnt matter now. Were in Hell.
Cha
(297,723 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(3,503 posts)Take a chill pill Cuz, youre overwrought.
Cha
(297,723 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(3,503 posts)They love the shit talking and all. But they would have voted for Bernie over Тяцмр. They just hate Hillary with a passion for no good reason.
treestar
(82,383 posts)All the excuses are not the real reason.
JI7
(89,276 posts)same goes for black men, hispanic men, hispanic women , asian men asian women etc.
those groups include working class people.
and they knew Trump did not give a shit about them.
if they voted for trump after his openly bigoted campaigning they supported that bigotry and they support what is happening to the migrant families .
BlueTsunami2018
(3,503 posts)I never said he was. I said Bernie was pro-labor.
Read it again.
Cha
(297,723 posts)Baloney.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,503 posts)You only think you know this. I dont know why it bothers you so much to think it might have been different.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Come on man, we've gone over this shit 1asf23r22r times before
BlueTsunami2018
(3,503 posts)But had it stolen from her.
But Comey would have been irrelevant if Bernie had the nod and many more blue collar votes would have gone to him. We didnt lose by that much.
Sorry, I think he would have won.
But, for the third time, it doesnt really matter now.
pnwmom
(108,996 posts)would have allowed Bernie to win -- and not meddled.
Why do they think Russia would have been happy with a Bernie Presidency?
I don't think Russia wanted Bernie -- that it ONLY wanted Trump.
People who think otherwise should realize that it's really an insult to Bernie to suggest that he had Russian support.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)The election was rigged.
Cha
(297,723 posts)that one.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)They never stop to even attempt to bolster that argument.
Or is hides their misogyny. They figure a man could have won.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)They refuse to believe theyll lose at three card monte just like she did.
JI7
(89,276 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)or hypocritical in their characterization of democrats and even republicans, but I always cringe when he goes in on Clinton like this. It isn't fair and it isn't mindful of the challenges that she faced as a candidate that were entirely outside of her control, nor mindful of the political terrain she had to navigate getting into the Senate in the late 90's, followed by a post 9/11 conservative media(all of it) zealotry that had no strong social media counterbalance...and even MSNBC was an entirely different beast. I mean I could accept his assessment if he were gentler with that explanation. Maybe it was a little arrogant to run given just how much baggage she was carrying as a result of being public enemy number one for the GOP over the years, but I only see that in retrospect(since I was 100 percent convinced that she had this wrapped up myself). Besides, you have to have that kind of confidence to run regardless of who you are.
I do think many other candidates could have beaten Trump, though I'm not actually sure Sanders could have because Cenk is forgetting just how loathed left-wing progressives actually are by the media(yes I know Sanders is a bit of a ratings darling at the moment-post election), not to mention how luke-warm I feel the reception would have been by the DNC leadership given that for the most part they found Sanders to be antagonistic to what they believe is the way to govern, which would arguably make Sanders a threat, whether you wanted to characterize that as to the status quo or to our own party's political sucesss going forward.
But yes, while obviously I don't think he's trash, I don't find this kind of rhetoric or calling Clinton a horrible candidate helpful, since I find that statement equally untrue.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)To the sore loser minority?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Fuck Cenk! What a boor! He's a pompous ass and so are his fans.
All I'm saying is he's no friend of Democrats or the Democratic party.