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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 06:31 PM Jun 2018

Folks, I think we are at that moment where we must either bet all we have

or just fold our cards, slink away and stop pretending that we stand for anything. We need to raise the kind of disruptive hell that will make the Vietnam protests look tame. I mean take to the streets---in DC if possible, but wherever you can---and SHUT IT DOWN!

Any talk about the possibility that Trump will name a moderate is pure BULLSHIT! His base will insist on another fascist POS and he will do as he is told by Adelson and the Koch's.

We stand to lose abortion rights, gay rights, what's left of labor rights any pretense that this is anything but a white, evangelical Christian nation.

It's put up or shut up time. I'm ready to get my 69 year old ass arrested. How about you?

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Folks, I think we are at that moment where we must either bet all we have (Original Post) Atticus Jun 2018 OP
I can't even describe how the last few days makes me feel, never mind the last 2 years NRaleighLiberal Jun 2018 #1
But what you are suggesting is uncivil. BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #2
"Whatever it takes". nt Atticus Jun 2018 #12
Nt bdamomma Jun 2018 #19
We do not always take the high road. murielm99 Jun 2018 #30
Win through voting tmaynardr Jun 2018 #34
I never considered that option. BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #36
The rebubs will overplay their hand Turbineguy Jun 2018 #3
God I hope you're right. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #18
Really???! Because I've been hearing that shit for years and they somehow Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2018 #21
Yea after Bush R's were suppose to be done for a generation. Obama fixes USA and here we are again Pepsidog Jun 2018 #23
Well, short of cuffs, I will make as much noise as possible Guilded Lilly Jun 2018 #4
And this is why we fight tulipsandroses Jun 2018 #9
Count me in Phoenix61 Jun 2018 #5
White old (and not so old)men of the conservative Republican variety Guilded Lilly Jun 2018 #37
I'm seventy. At least our kids are grown and they can't take them away from us. n/t rzemanfl Jun 2018 #6
I'm seventy-three.... Useless in FL Jun 2018 #7
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2018 #8
I do recall that. And, I also recall thinking, as a white man, that his anger was Atticus Jun 2018 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #10
I'm sorry, but if you think abortion rights will be safe with a 6-3 majority of Federalist Society Atticus Jun 2018 #16
This is 100% correct. volstork Jun 2018 #22
You are sadly wrong about abortion. Anti-choice fanatics have proven they are willing to kill, maim Hekate Jun 2018 #20
Over? Did you say over? Initech Jun 2018 #11
Repukes just bombed SCOTUS ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #14
"Don't stop him, he's on a role" (yah Bluto) Guilded Lilly Jun 2018 #38
Go look at the May Day Protests this year. joshcryer Jun 2018 #15
Thank you for your enthusiasm. nt Atticus Jun 2018 #17
I endured 8 years of bullshit from the "left" against Obama. joshcryer Jun 2018 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #24
Ok everyone bdamomma Jun 2018 #26
Just wait...RBG is 85 and a cancer survivor...7-2 looms on the horizon Moostache Jun 2018 #27
When you've got nothing, you've got nothing left to lose. WheelWalker Jun 2018 #28
I don't think that a march no matter how large WhiteTara Jun 2018 #29
I can only hope that I am as brave as those that came mtngirl47 Jun 2018 #31
Massive civil disobedience Loge23 Jun 2018 #32
I'm going to one this weekend. I'm scared. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #33
just told my grandson and a couple daughters tiredtoo Jun 2018 #35

NRaleighLiberal

(60,009 posts)
1. I can't even describe how the last few days makes me feel, never mind the last 2 years
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 06:33 PM
Jun 2018

There simply is no way to describe the frustration, grief, anger....

BigmanPigman

(51,571 posts)
2. But what you are suggesting is uncivil.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 06:36 PM
Jun 2018

We Dems always take the high road. Are you saying we should fight (and fight dirty)? If you are, then I am with you and have been my whole life. Fight fire with fire!

murielm99

(30,717 posts)
30. We do not always take the high road.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:58 PM
Jun 2018

I live in Illinois. We have some pretty ruthless Democrats here. That is how we keep this state blue, given our large rural population.

Some of the purists here do not like our ruthless leadership. Fuck that. GOTV or get out of Dodge.

tmaynardr

(31 posts)
34. Win through voting
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:13 PM
Jun 2018

Increase supreme court to 13 jurists. One from each federal district and one chief justice. There are ways to make this country better without resorting to their tactics!

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
18. God I hope you're right.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:42 PM
Jun 2018

But their Presidents never get jailed, despite horrible and escalating crimes. We have to stop that trend.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,497 posts)
21. Really???! Because I've been hearing that shit for years and they somehow
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:05 PM
Jun 2018

manage to keep "failing upward".

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
23. Yea after Bush R's were suppose to be done for a generation. Obama fixes USA and here we are again
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:14 PM
Jun 2018

with R’s controlling everything. I’m so tired of R’s walking all over Dems. Hell I seek refuge here and get chastised for calling Dems P_ _ _y. The last Dem to handle the R’s was Bill Clinton. Since then we are no better than doormats, following the rules and eating their shit. It’s infuriating.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
4. Well, short of cuffs, I will make as much noise as possible
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 06:39 PM
Jun 2018

With as much extensive vocabulary as my aging brain waves can shout and march as far as I can push my rolling walker until my bad knees give out!!!

This just isn’t my future.
It’s my gender’s freedom, my kid’s’ liberty, my granchildren’s Rights and the country’s soul at serious risk.

tulipsandroses

(5,122 posts)
9. And this is why we fight
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 06:51 PM
Jun 2018

I have a 5 yr old niece, My twentysomething yr old son is a gay black man. I not only fight for me - I fight for them
What will we tell them if we don't?
I refuse to let this country go back to a time when my son cannot go back to a time when my son cannot marry whom he wants or my niece will not have a choice over her own body. Or as people of color denied their civil rights. There are people that has presented for other judicial positions that do not believe that Brown vs Bd of Education was the right decision.

Phoenix61

(16,994 posts)
5. Count me in
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 06:39 PM
Jun 2018

Fuck the Kochs! I'm over old, white men telling everybody what to do. They want to roll the clock back to the 1950's when they were kings of the hill. How dare these modern uppity women and POC demand to be treated as equals! Yeah, well, get over it! We do. We are not going back.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
37. White old (and not so old)men of the conservative Republican variety
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 07:17 AM
Jun 2018

Are domestic terrorists.
It isn’t even subtle anymore.

Useless in FL

(329 posts)
7. I'm seventy-three....
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 06:48 PM
Jun 2018

I protested in the 60's and I'll protest as much as I can now.... We just need to get things going....

H2O Man

(73,513 posts)
8. Recommended.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 06:50 PM
Jun 2018

Although you are relatively young, you likely recall Malcolm X saying that if you want freedom, you have to be prepared to go to jail, the hospital, or the morgue.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
13. I do recall that. And, I also recall thinking, as a white man, that his anger was
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:26 PM
Jun 2018

entirely justified.

Response to Atticus (Original post)

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
16. I'm sorry, but if you think abortion rights will be safe with a 6-3 majority of Federalist Society
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:36 PM
Jun 2018

poster boys, you are badly underestimating the shameless depravity of the opposition. I would bet you that a first draft of the opinion overturning Roe vs Wade already exists in the files of one of the better-financed "family values" front groups.?

volstork

(5,399 posts)
22. This is 100% correct.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:09 PM
Jun 2018

I wish it weren't, but it is.

Segregation was settled law, slavery was settled law, miscegenation was settled law, all until they weren't-- made that way by enlightened people who thought everyone deserved a chance.

In nature, entropy rules, and things can be broken so quickly that the mind boggles. I am in my early 50s, and doubt that I will live to see all of these wrongs righted.

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
20. You are sadly wrong about abortion. Anti-choice fanatics have proven they are willing to kill, maim
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:02 PM
Jun 2018

...and commit arson to shut down every clinic in the country. They have killed a number of doctors and nurses, have put up Wanted posters, have stalked the children of clinic personnel and have put information online about their schools and schedules.

And lie. They tell their followers and politicians that contraceptives (including The Pill) are abortifacients. They say no woman can die of pregnancy or childbirth in this day and age (another lie). Abortion is completely unavailable in the majority of counties in the US -- in Texas, there is one (1) clinic -- putting a tremendous burden on women who must travel overnight, arrange childcare, lose pay, and tell someone what they are doing, exposing them to risk.

They have pushed for "conscience" legislation, allowing doctors and pharmacists to refuse prescriptions and to refuse to fill prescriptions for everything from contraceptions to Plan B to pill-induced abortions -- the latter 2 are very time-sensitive.

It is a war they have engaged in ever since Roe v. Wade was handed down. They are fanatics and don't care who gets hurt.

And now, they will win.

Initech

(100,043 posts)
11. Over? Did you say over?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:04 PM
Jun 2018

Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!!!!! And it ain't over now!

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
15. Go look at the May Day Protests this year.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:29 PM
Jun 2018

There is zero energy left in the activist left. They've been defeated.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
25. I endured 8 years of bullshit from the "left" against Obama.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:21 PM
Jun 2018

And 2 years before that from the same "left" as they pushed Obama on us.

I watched for nearly 20 years, the rapid decline of the Democratic Party, falling for the same tricks and manipulations that the Republicans are using to this day.

Perfect is the enemy of the good. The Democratic Party does not need its own version of the Teabaggers. We see that the Republicans have become strengthened by marginalizing the Teabaggers.

I'm not stopping now but I'm done pretending. I see what's happening and the left has lost.

Response to Atticus (Original post)

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
26. Ok everyone
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:25 PM
Jun 2018

we need to get out there and fight for our kids and our grandchildren.

Anyone watching Chris Hayes???

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
27. Just wait...RBG is 85 and a cancer survivor...7-2 looms on the horizon
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:27 PM
Jun 2018

Its game over folks...game over.

79,000 suspicious votes in 3 states and goddamn e-mails and goodbye 240 year experiment in self-rule and representatiuve governance...

Fucking pathetic.
Canada never looked better.

WhiteTara

(29,693 posts)
29. I don't think that a march no matter how large
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:36 PM
Jun 2018

or in every city will be enough. It is going to take constant pressure. We may need to create our Tahrir Square in the Mall.

mtngirl47

(987 posts)
31. I can only hope that I am as brave as those that came
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:05 PM
Jun 2018

before me fighting for women and civil rights.

Hoping for a leader to come to front and help us enact change. Looking for a leader like MLK or Bobby Kennedy--someone that can bring out the passion and encourage sacrifice.

Wondering if there is someone that can rise above the noise of the talking heads. Someone that can make us forget about self and worry about each other. Someone who can make us understand that we are more alike than we are different. And to borrow a phrase from Hillary---someone that can make us understand that we really are stronger together.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
32. Massive civil disobedience
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:09 PM
Jun 2018

I'm 64, a few years younger than the OP.
I was at the later Vietnam rallies and marched, in NYC, for a end to the war.
I missed most of the civil rights demonstrations due to age.
It's time to take our stand!
It's time to pick up John Lewis, the Berrigan brothers, Martin Luther King, the rest of the Catonsville Nine, and everyone who marched , protested, fought, was beaten, sacrificed, and STOOD UP for decency, for democracy, for justice, and for humanity.
Nothing is easy and nothing stopped the great people who fought against injustice and tyranny. The suffragettes, the Pullman strikers, the farm workers, the blue collar workers of today who owe their existence to the labor movement - all who benefited from policies designed to help the American workers.
We are in the worst shape we have ever been. The POTUS is a conman, a charlatan, a functional idiot who has no empathy and no consideration for the average American.
Now they rule.
And now.....we fight.
Take to the barricades, shut it down!
Rid ourselves of this cancer - NOW!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
33. I'm going to one this weekend. I'm scared.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:12 PM
Jun 2018

I've never been to a protest before. I was surprised there was one in this Trump territory area I live in. There will probably be just a few people.

But I'm going. It's for the separation of the kids thing. I need to check and see if it's still on, now that a court has ruled they can't separate them.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
35. just told my grandson and a couple daughters
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:25 PM
Jun 2018

we may see anarchy in America soon.
ps at 77 with a disability i can no longer participate in demonstrations. But do support in anyway possible.

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