Bill Clinton Defends Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I Have 'a Lot of Respect' for Her

[DonViejo]

However, Clinton also told ‘The Daily Show’ that if Trump wants ‘civility’ he has to ‘stop the name-calling and take the lead.’

MATT WILSTEIN
06.27.18 12:28 AM ET

-snip-

Clinton recalled a time when he was serving as president and a man confronted him in a church about his lack of action on AIDS. He said that incident spurred him to do more about the crisis. “That I thought was fine,” he said of the man’s behavior. Clinton does not feel the same about the situation with Sanders.

While he admitted it was a decision the restaurant owner could make for herself, he also asked, “Would it be better if that didn’t happen? I think it would.”

“But, you know, a lot of poison has been poured down America’s throat since that 2016 campaign,” Clinton said, adding that it started with Trump called Mexicans “rapists and murderers.” So, he said, “It’s hard to pour poison down other people’s throat and not have some of it come back up and bubble up.”

After reading about the Sanders incident, Clinton said he came away “with a lot of respect” for the restaurant owner. But he also “had a lot of respect” for how Sanders handled herself.

“Maybe what I’d like to see is that this be the beginning of something where it would be better if we started talking to each other again,” he added. “Sooner or later, people have to stop tearing each other down and go to work. But I think you can’t foment as much hatred as has been fomented by the administration without having a blowback. So if they want to have civility, they have to stop the name-calling and take the lead.”

-snip-

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-clinton-defends-sarah-huckabee-sanders-i-have-a-lot-of-respect-for-her?ref=home

[milestogo]

1. Misleading headline.

After reading about the Sanders incident, Clinton said he came away “with a lot of respect” for the restaurant owner. But he also “had a lot of respect” for how Sanders handled herself.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

9. A LOT of respect?! More like ZERO!!

Perhaps, Maxine can mentor Bill on how members of the tRump administration should be viewed.

[Tipperary]

32. Read the whole statement. I think he made a good statement. He put the blame on dotard.

The Big Dog made some missteps regarding the MeToo movement, but not here.

[George II]

52. He said he had respect for how she handled herself IN THAT ONE INCIDENT, not overall.

But he's Bill Clinton so he's open game for criticism.

As already noted, the headline is misleading, bordering on being false.

[gratuitous]

11. Nobody would have known anything about this but for . . .

Sanders going on her official U.S. government twitter account to complain to everyone. I should think that Bill Clinton of all people would think twice about a government official using her government social media platform for a purely personal tweet and to bad-mouth a private business.

Misfire, Mr. President.

[George II]

55. Why Bill Clinton "of all people"?

[gratuitous]

60. You may recall some kerfuffle over his wife's use of e-mails during her time as Secretary of State

It was a minor incident, noted in passing in one or two specialty magazines during the 2016 campaign. Not surprising that her e-mails have been largely forgotten by all but the most hard-core political junkies, I suppose.

[George II]

61. Entirely different issue, AND the fact that Sanders commented about her incident on twitter....

....has absolutely nothing to do with the incident itself or President Clinton's comments about it.

But of course, he's a Clinton so...................

[gratuitous]

62. But nobody would have heard a word about it

Except that Sarah Sanders went on her Press Secretary twitter account to announce to the world that Red Hen 86ed her. If she had been as polite and respectful as she claims she is, she would have just let the incident pass without comment. Instead, she had to tell the world about it, and if she thought her pouty little tweet was the end of it, she is either irretrievably stupid or maximally disingenuous.

Clinton's comment about having a lot of respect for the way she handled it puts him in one of those two categories.

[George II]

63. I'm guessing one of the two categories in which you'd like to put Clinton in are:

1. irretrievably stupid
2. maximally disingenuous

Correct?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

126. Yes, you'd think Bill would see the irony!

[Hortensis]

144. Bill Clinton: "When I took office, only high energy"

physicists had ever heard of what is called the World Wide Web.... Now even my cat has its own page."

Now THAT's irony, as he points out.

“There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America.”
― Bill Clinton

[brush]

41. Yes, wonder if it's purposely misleading?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

111. You are exactly right

[dubyadiprecession]

128. It's fake news!

...But Sarah does look a little like Monica Lewinsky.

[lapucelle]

2. The Daily Beast did a great job of burying the lede with that headline.

“But, you know, a lot of poison has been poured down America’s throat since that 2016 campaign,” Clinton said, adding that it started with Trump called Mexicans “rapists and murderers.” So, he said, “It’s hard to pour poison down other people’s throat and not have some of it come back up and bubble up.”

[Tarc]

3. Sorry Bill, but no. Openly racist politicians don't get a seat at the table

We'll talk with conservatives who still possess some shred of decency. But the Millers, Trumps, etc...who express literal white supremacy on a daily basis...and their spokespersons... can piss right off.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

8. No they don't... but some can't help but defend the indefensible.

[Cha]

89. "Bernie Sanders Defends Sarah Sanders: People Have a Right To Go to a Restaurant for Dinner"

snip//

On MSNBC on Wednesday, former democrat presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders defended White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders on the currently dominant political topic of civility in politics.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner,” said Sanders (Bernie) about Saunders (Sarah) being kicked out of a restaurant with her family over political differences.

Host Kristen Welker was asking the Vermont senator about the lack of civility in general at first, and he said he’s “not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people,” but that people have a right to be angry.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/bernie-sanders-defends-sarah-sanders-people-have-a-right-to-go-to-a-restaurant-for-dinner/

lapucelle

[lunamagica]

90. Cha, you are just AWESOME. Did you know that?

*high five*

[Cha]

92. Thank You Thank You BUT this is All on lapucelle..

I just ran with it!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10799822

lunamagica: Awesome

[lunamagica]

97. Then you and Lapucelle are just AWESOME!

[R B Garr]

104. HA! Great catch, Cha!

[Cha]

108. It's lapucelle's catch!

I'm just running with it..

BS defended SFS much more than Bill did..

RB

[ehrnst]

16. He said he respected the restaurant owner

and "how SHS handled herself" at the restaurant.

[Tarc]

18. "how SHS handled herself" was to be an adult and leave rather than make a scene

You don't get a participation trophy for doing something that is the default human condition, i.e. being a rational adult.

[ehrnst]

20. I wasn't aware that she "made a scene," or that she got a trophy from President Clinton.

[Tarc]

47. Not really that difficult

She didn't make a scene.

Bill Clinton praised her for that.

I do not feel that baseline normality should get praise.

A to B to C.

[ehrnst]

48. So, no, she didn't "make a scene."

Good to have that cleared up and no, there was no "trophy" awarded by President Clinton. Perhaps a second look at the situation was in order before making those claims.

Not really that difficult.

A to B to Credibility.

Diplomatic phrasing doesn't always = corrupt, no matter what those who don't have that ability might say.

[ChubbyStar]

81. The poster never said Clinton awarded SHS with a trophy

Why are you banging on about it?

[ehrnst]

115. Perhaps you missed this:

You don't get a participation trophy for doing something that is the default human condition, i.e. being a rational adult.

Here's a link:

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10794773

[George II]

57. Which is what she did (leave rather than make a scene) and THAT is what Clinton said...

...he had respect for. And he was correct.

[Tarc]

64. Once again...acting like a baseline, normal human being is not praiseworthy

[ehrnst]

116. But do you think that she should have the right to have her dinner in peace

in the restaurant of her choice, like a "normal human being?"

Or is not complaining and making a scene about being refused service unworthy of respect, unless a gay couple is doing it?

Please clarify.

[Tarc]

117. Sure, I'll clarify that

"But do you think that she should have the right to have her dinner in peace"

No, I do not. White supremacists, and they spokespersons, should not be allowed a moment of comfort in public. We're not going to normalize their behavior.

[ehrnst]

118. So are you going to write Senator Sanders a strongly worded letter?

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday came to the defense of White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, saying individuals should "have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner."

The Vermont senator made the comments while speaking on MSNBC about the recent uptick in public confrontations Trump Cabinet officials have faced. On Friday, Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked to leave a small Virginia restaurant because of her role in the administration.

In addition, protesters confronted Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Tuesday over the Trump administration's border policies.

"I'm not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "People have a right to be angry when Congress gives tax breaks to billionaires and then wants to cut nutrition programs for low income pregnant women."

But he said that anger needs to be taken out in a "constructive way" and that people should not be kicked out of restaurants over political differences.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner," he said.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394449-bernie-sanders-sarah-sanders-has-the-right-to-go-into-a-restaurant-and-have

Please do share it with us if you do.

[Tarc]

120. Not sure what you're angling for here

I am not, and have never been, a fan of Bernie Sanders. The number of fucks I give for his opinion is precisely zero.

[ehrnst]

121. So who do you think is getting this right? In terms of Democratic figures?

[Tarc]

122. Maxine Waters

[ehrnst]

123. I truly think she has replaced Senator Sanders as the gadfly

She also seems to have more appeal.

I'm with her on this, and I truly think that Pelosi is encouraging her, in a "good cop/bad cop" scenario.

This way the Democratic leadership isn't rallying Trump supporters, and Maxine draws fire.

[Tipperary]

33. Apparently some posters are reading this statement wrong.

Or just reading the headline.

[brush]

42. The headling is misleading. Wonder if it's purposely so?

[Tipperary]

43. No doubt.

Clickbait, or even something more sinister. It just bothers me that duers are not taking the time to read the actual words he said.

[NCTraveler]

4. Somehow some idiot will take issue with this.

Clinton derangement syndrome is real. Billions of dollars spent against them didn’t only work on the right.

[Hekate]

70. Lotta that going around

Also accusations of Third Way and Turd Way make a sudden appearance in two separate threads. It's almost like Manny dropped by to say hello. Heartwarming, I tells ya.

[Guilded Lilly]

5. This lede is a big part of the Reality TV drama-baiting in what passes for journalism now.

[ehrnst]

34. Yep. Throwing red meat to the far left and the right...

as we have seen.

[yallerdawg]

6. I thnk generalized prejudice and bias is bad.

But targeted at a specific person of low moral character (insulting public liar) and a person who expresses prejudice and bias as valid US government policy?

We used to run people out of town "tarred and feathered on a rail."

Not serving her and asking her to leave seems very civil to me.

Bill Clinton is always looking for that Third Way.

[ehrnst]

17. You mean like this?

The Vermont senator has outlined an agenda where Democrats might find common ground with the next president.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/bernie-sanders-donald-trump/508007/


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-healthcare-sanders-idUSKBN1820QC

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2017/04/bernie-sanders-defends-ann-coulters-right-speak-berkeley.html


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326820-sanders-defends-trump-voters-i-dont-think-theyre-racists

[BumRushDaShow]

30. And...

*crickets*

[ehrnst]

36. ....

[Tipperary]

35. Boom.

[NurseJackie]

39. Damn! BOOM! Looks like the Vermont Senator has been "Third-Waying" too.

The Vermont senator has outlined an agenda where Democrats might find common ground with the next president.

Damn! BOOM! Looks like the Vermont Senator has been "Third-Waying" too.

[Tipperary]

44. Yup. That poster seems to have gone radio silent lol.

[NurseJackie]

46. Typical.

...radio silent...

Typical. Hit and run or "drive-by" tactics.

All I'm saying is that this type of behavior is counter-productive. Clearly, there are some who are still holding grudges for various reasons, and can be easily spotted by the frequent use of certain phrases such as "DNC", "Third Way", "Turd Way", etc ... and an obsessive contempt for well-respected Democrats such as WJC, HRC and DWS.

I think we can all agree that this type of divisive nonsense serves no good purpose, that's all.

[George II]

50. Bazinga!

[Cha]

94. "Bernie Sanders Defends Sarah Sanders: People Have a Right To Go to a Restaurant for Dinner"

and now this..

snip//

On MSNBC on Wednesday, former democrat presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders defended White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders on the currently dominant political topic of civility in politics.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner,” said Sanders (Bernie) about Saunders (Sarah) being kicked out of a restaurant with her family over political differences.

Host Kristen Welker was asking the Vermont senator about the lack of civility in general at first, and he said he’s “not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people,” but that people have a right to be angry.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/bernie-sanders-defends-sarah-sanders-people-have-a-right-to-go-to-a-restaurant-for-dinner/

lapucelle

Thank you, ehnst!

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/bernie-sanders-donald-trump/508007/


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-healthcare-sanders-idUSKBN1820QC

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2017/04/bernie-sanders-defends-ann-coulters-right-speak-berkeley.html


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326820-sanders-defends-trump-voters-i-dont-think-theyre-racists

[George II]

51. You're referring to Democrats as "turd"?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

71. Not at all... as a life-long Democrat, such a ridiculous thought would never occur to me...

but, I deleted my post since you seem intent on misconstruing it. Please don't put words in my mouth. I was simply saying, in response to an EARLIER post by yallerdawg that "Third Way" politics is a losing strategy... that's just my honest opinion that manu DUers share... perhaps, I didn't express that opinion as eloquently as I could have. But, we need an agressive Progressive agenda that doesn't seek compromise with our political enemies... that's my point.

[Cha]

91. Oh yeah.. then who the hell were you refering to

as "Third Way is the turd way"?

3rd party jill Fucking Stein? 'Cause yeah I can see that.

[Hekate]

69. Goodness, that's the second ref to 3rd Way just now. Almost like Manny dropped by....

The other one was from a brand new newbie though.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

72. I was simply referring to yallerdawg's post, which raised a legitimate issue.

See my explanation above (post #71).

[Cha]

93. Uh huh.. so you were calling President Clinton "turd way"

"Bernie Sanders Defends Sarah Sanders: People Have a Right To Go to a Restaurant for Dinner"

snip//

On MSNBC on Wednesday, former democrat presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders defended White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders on the currently dominant political topic of civility in politics.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner,” said Sanders (Bernie) about Saunders (Sarah) being kicked out of a restaurant with her family over political differences.

Host Kristen Welker was asking the Vermont senator about the lack of civility in general at first, and he said he’s “not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people,” but that people have a right to be angry.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/bernie-sanders-defends-sarah-sanders-people-have-a-right-to-go-to-a-restaurant-for-dinner/

lapucelle

[ehrnst]

21. Clinton stated that he respected the restaurant owner.

Perhaps you missed that.

[atreides1]

26. The owner deserves his respect

Sanders went home and used her government Twitter account to whine, in violation of federal ethics law, why are her actions deserving of any respect???

[ehrnst]

27. I believe that Clinton was talking about her behavior at the restaurant. (nt)

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. Nope, didn't miss at all Bill's "triangulated" respect for the actions on both sides.

OTOH, Maxine Waters said it exactly right... these Nazi tRump administration officials need to be confronted wherever and whenever they show their racist asses in public, not praised.

[emulatorloo]

76. Apparently you ignored this part

“But I think you can’t foment as much hatred as has been fomented by the administration without having a blowback. So if they want to have civility, they have to stop the name-calling and take the lead.”

Clinton clearly blames the Trump admin for promoting hatred and name calling.

You are a good person but like all humans, you are biased and lack objectivity. Those biases seems to cause you to skip over and ignore things which don’t confirm your biases.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

80. Not at all...yes, I give Bill credit for assigning blame where it belongs...

I didn't ignore that... I simply pointed out where he also humanized that piece of shit SHS by respecting her actions.

You're also a good person, but as you put it, you're obviously biased and ignore what's plain as day.

[emulatorloo]

84. Nah, you just latched on a few words out of context, embraced the shit headline, and ignored the

the actual meat of Clinton’s remarks. And then you posted up some non-sequitur, which happily you rethought and deleted.

(Hat’s off to you for deleting that by the way. Good judgement call.)

And now you want to go so as far to insinuate I am a Sarah Sanders supporter!

Have a nice night!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

125. LOL, you were the one insinuating... I merely echoed your words!!

[emulatorloo]

129. Don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

130. I won't, but if the shoe fits, wear it... and don't forget your galoshes!

[ehrnst]

113. "Humanizing that piece of shit by respecting her actions?" You mean like this?

"I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "People have a right to be angry when Congress gives tax breaks to billionaires and then wants to cut nutrition programs for low income pregnant women."

But he said that anger needs to be taken out in a "constructive way" and that people should not be kicked out of restaurants over political differences.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner," he said.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394449-bernie-sanders-sarah-sanders-has-the-right-to-go-into-a-restaurant-and-have

Are you going to keep deleting your posts to avoid the fact that Bernie is and has been doing what you describe as "turd way" when a Clinton does it?

Double standards are double standards. You're also a good person, but as you put it, you're obviously biased and ignore what's plain as day.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

131. No one's right 100% of the time... not even Bernie.

[ehrnst]

132. So it's different when Bernie does the "humanizing of this piece of shit,"

And "triangulating" respect, and "you'd think he'd see the irony" and "defending the indefensible" and "turd way politicing which is a losing strategy."

You shrug it off with "no one's right 100% of the time."

Gotcha.

Perhaps "Maxine can mentor Bernie on how members of the tRump administration should be viewed," right?

Just own it that you have different standards for Bernie than anyone else.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

134. Yes, I agree w/ you, in this instance, Bernie absolutely SHOULD adopt Maxine's better approach

in refusing to humanize that piece of shit SHS, yes... these freaks need to be confronted everywhere they go. Good for Maxine! But, at least Bernie didn't have "a lot of respect" for that POS's handling of the situation.

That's the distinction you refuse to recognize, but rather choose to ignore, in adopting different standards, so as to never miss an opportunity to bash Bernie.

[ehrnst]

135. And we resort to whataboutism....

and trying to minimize what Bernie did in comparison to Bill, so you can attribute your approval of him to that, and not bias.

At least Bill showed respect for the restaurant owner's actions. Bernie criticized them. That's a distinction you refuse to recognize.

Look, face it, you have different standards for Bernie than you do any other politician doing the same thing. Your outrage and accusations of "TURD WAY" don't apply to Bernie, because you like him. You never miss an opportunity to minimize "TURD WAY" actions when it's Bernie, even as you criticize others for "defending the indefensible." Because when it's Bernie, "Well, no one is right 100% of the time."

You're also a good person, but as you put it, you're obviously biased and ignore what's plain as day.

So, why do you think that "humanizing pieces of shit" as you put it, seems to be a pattern? I don't recall multiple times that Bill Clinton did this. There are multiple instances of what you refer to as "Turd Way" on the part of Senator Sanders.

The Vermont senator has outlined an agenda where Democrats might find common ground with the next president.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/bernie-sanders-donald-trump/508007/


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-healthcare-sanders-idUSKBN1820QC

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2017/04/bernie-sanders-defends-ann-coulters-right-speak-berkeley.html


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326820-sanders-defends-trump-voters-i-dont-think-theyre-racists

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

136. I certainly didn't minimize what Bernie did... as I said, I wish he HAD taken a page outta

Maxine Water's book...but, no, I'm not going to bash Bernie relentlessly for it, over and over again, post after post, the way you seem intent on doing.

I wish Bernie could be perfect, per your inconsistent double standards, but he's only human. He does make mistakes from time to time - though certainly less often than most politicians - and, YES, hopefully, he can be persuaded by Maxine's far better approach of confrontation, as you suggested. You're absolutely right about that.

But, to show respect for that piece of shit SHS the way she "handled herself"?!?! You go right ahead with supporting that... Bernie was right not to go that far.

[ehrnst]

137. To criticize the restaurant for doing what they did, like Bernie? Bill was right to not go that far.

You not only minimize that, you refuse to even acknowledge it.

Bill respected the owners, while Bernie said what they did was wrong.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

138. Only in your world is AGREEING 100% with you

and Bill that the Red Hen was RIGHT in not serving that Nazi POS, and my admitting Bernie was wrong in disagreeing, a minimization of that and a refusal to even acknowledge it... too funny!! Your hatred of all things Bernie obviously has no bounds.

Yes, Bill rightfully respected the owners, but WRONGFULLY respected the way that turd SHS handled herself... as you correctly state, and as properly applied in YOUR case, you not only minimize that, you refuse to even acknowledge it.

Oh, the irony of it all!!

[ehrnst]

139. Oh, you "admitted Bernie was wrong in disagreeing" but clearly doesn't merit the

accusation of TURD WAY, and "humanizing that piece of shit" that you heaped on Bill. (You even deleted one of your more vitriolic posts on him - I'm sure out of embarassment when presented with similar, and far more numerous occasions of what you describe as "humanzing pieces of shit" and "TURD WAY tactics" by Bernie. That had to have been awkward)

Too funny!! Your defense of all things Bernie obviously has no bounds.

Yes, Bernie rightfully didn't admit any respect for SHS, but WRONGFULLY disrespected the way that restaurant handled the situation... and on numerous other occasions "defended the indefensible" as you state, and as properly applied in YOUR case, you not only minimize that by saying that "everyone can't be right 100% of the time, you refuse to even acknowledge your double standard.


Oh, the irony of it all!!

Keep on doubling down. It's way easier than self-awareness.

Is it going to be attacking a strawman or whataboutism up next?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

140. The difference is I'm not ashamed and embarrassed to admit when Bernie is wrong about something...

and you can keep repeating his mistake all you want - I'll just keep agreeing with you it was a mistake! Your RIGHT!!! - and you can keep ignoring Bill's faux pas in respecting that Nazi turd SHS's actions. (Talk about lack of self-awareness!!)

[ehrnst]

141. And we have a strawman!

You minimize and excuse in him what you rant viciously about in others.

I never minimized anything about Bill - I simply pointed out your double standards. I guess you need to believe that everyone is as biased as you are.

Whatever helps you to avoid the obvious.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

142. More irony from the master of the strawman argument!! Too funny!!

And, yes, SUCH a double standard to AGREE with you that Bernie was wrong to criticize the restaurant!!! Now, that's a hoot!!!

[ehrnst]

143. Tag ur it!

Waiting to hear you call Bernie "TURD WAY" and then you'll show that you aren't holding Bernie to a much, much lower standard.

[ehrnst]

112. Bernie weighs in....

"I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "People have a right to be angry when Congress gives tax breaks to billionaires and then wants to cut nutrition programs for low income pregnant women."
But he said that anger needs to be taken out in a "constructive way" and that people should not be kicked out of restaurants over political differences.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner," he said.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394449-bernie-sanders-sarah-sanders-has-the-right-to-go-into-a-restaurant-and-have

[ehrnst]

124. How about appearing on Fox and Friends to hawk your book.

Does that count as "confrontation?"

http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2018/05/15/how-bernie-won-inside-revolution-thats-taking-back-our-country-and-where-go-from-here-by-jeff-weaver.html

I await your reply.

[Mike Nelson]

7. I would...

… reprimand the headline writer. Headlines should attract attention, but not alter the viewpoint.

[ehrnst]

15. Yep.

[ladjf]

10. I think it's time for citizen Clinton to "pipe down". He's done enough damage already. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

14. Seriously... it only detracts from all the good he once did.

[ladjf]

19. I was a big fan of his until he showed that his own petty egocentric

sexual fantasies were more important to him than his obligation to uphold the dignity of Presidency. Bill, sex acts are a dime a dozen.
The privilege of being President of the United States is an extremely rare honor and obligation.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

23. I hear ya... Bill should bow out gracefully, like Hillary has done...

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and cede the limelight to the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's in the Party.

[ehrnst]

25. Yes, a woman of color who ran on HRC's platform.

I agree with that. Old white men are the past, not the future of the Democratic Party. And clearly she didn't need Senator Sanders' endorsement to win. The Jimmy Dore connection might be problematic for her, and we wouldn't want to encourage that in other candidates.

FYI - Hillary hasn't "bowed out" as many here on DU have complained about.

She raised over a million $$ for immigrant families to be reunited with their children, and comments regularly on current political events.

She's endorsing and getting mentoring for progressive women candidates.

[JHan]

53. I don't know how you managed to be calm in your response.

but kudos to you.

Good post.

[BannonsLiver]

68. I thought the same thing

The poster they are responding to has notoriously awful, poorly reasoned hot takes, one right after the other. Quite tedious in many ways.

[ehrnst]

119. It comes from having grown up in a chaotic, at times abusive home.

The ability to go stone cold calm in the face of someone who is going off the rails, even if they have the ability to do me physical harm, has served me well in my life.

On social media, it's very handy.

[leftofcool]

56. Hillary doesn't need to bow out of anything.

She has a job to do and she does it. She doesn't give a rat's butt about Democratic politics except getting more women to run, nor does Bill.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

73. I agree 100% with what you said... you made my point.

I'm saying having done what you said, that she doesn't care about Democratic politics the way she used to care as an active politician, except for getting more women to run, is her VOLUNTARILY bowing out of politics to the extent you mention. I'm simply giving her credit for doing exactly what you correctly point out.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

107. Yes, Hillary is doing GREAT things like you say, for which she should be commended...

but she has voluntarily refrained from taking some political positions, as she is no longer in "candidate" mode. Nothing wrong with that in my view.

[leftofcool]

58. Hillary could care less what the Democratic Party does

Her job is raising money for female candidates and other important things like immigrant children. Same as Bill and neither one has to "bow out" of a thing. If you don't like what they do for others than I respectfully suggest not participating.

[George II]

99. Thank you, very well said.

[George II]

98. No DEMOCRAT should "bow out gracefully" in this day and age.

[R B Garr]

105. Bill is an ex President, so he's done what no third party or Independent has ever done.

He actually got elected President. Maybe the others should bow out instead??

Hillary is a former FLOTUS, and basically won this last election, so it's pretty arrogant to tell a former President and a First Lady to take a back seat to a new congressperson. Seriously, some of these comments like this are truly not believable.

[Hekate]

95. I assume you must have really approved of Obama, who was squeaky clean

And good for him, I say. I appreciated it.

As for the Big Dog, I refer you to The Hunting of the President. They were after him. They were after Hillary. It did not matter what, they were out to get that bright young couple. You really should take that into account.

[George II]

100. And yet they're still here, viable as ever, doing great things not only for Americans but people....

....around the world.

Glad Hillary didn't go home and learn to "knit" and glad Bill is still active and hasn't "bowed out".

[Hekate]

102. I admire the Clintons. I don't know where they get their strength to keep going...

They have energy, grit, determination, heart, and tremendous intelligence.

And for some reason, way back in Arkansas when they were young the Right Wing took a dislike to the both of them. Not just a dislike, a real contempt, a hatred. And the RW nurtured, cultivated, and distorted that hatred until it crossed State lines and became what Hillary called (accurately, it turns out) a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

And here we are today, with all of the Republicans and a chunk of the Left having been infected with Clinton Derangement Syndrome. The RW (and some on the Left) projects every vile thing possible on Hillary, year after year after year. I hate to see this poisonous crap regularly showing up on DU.

I am not a Southerner, and God knows I've never been in Arkansas, but I have watched this bizarre show since the Clintons came to Washington in the 1990s.

All I can say is: speak up, oppose the lies, teach the younger generation what really happened.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

109. Your points are fair ones... just sayin' it's time to let a new generation of

politicians take up the mantle. I think Hillary has done this gracefully.

[Hekate]

110. How do you "let a new generation of politicians" do that? They have to do it themselves...

The Clintons were once bright young things themselves, fresh out of college. They didn't ask permission -- they just fundraised and ran for office.

Anybody else will have to do the same, and good luck to them.

[ehrnst]

13. Misleading headline - he didn't say he respected SHS, he respected the restaurant owner

“had a lot of respect” for how Sanders handled herself at the restaurant.

[oberliner]

22. Alternate headline: Hard to pour poison down other people's throat and not have some of it come back

Or: "if they want to have civility, they have to stop the name-calling and take the lead.”

Which he also said in the interview.

[lapucelle]

28. Lot's of folks click on the clickbait and regurgitate the soundbite,

but it's never good journalistic practice to bury the lede in the service of revenue generation.

“But, you know, a lot of poison has been poured down America’s throat since that 2016 campaign,” Clinton said, adding that it started with Trump called Mexicans “rapists and murderers.” So, he said, “It’s hard to pour poison down other people’s throat and not have some of it come back up and bubble up.”

It's difficult to believe that people are still so easily played.

[oberliner]

31. Exactly

The headline gives almost the exact opposite impression of the content of the article/interview.

[Tipperary]

37. Bingo.

Lots of reading comprehension fail going on around here.

[emulatorloo]

86. Well said

People seem intent on ignoring the meat of his statement.

“But I think you can’t foment as much hatred as has been fomented by the administration without having a blowback. So if they want to have civility, they have to stop the name-calling and take the lead.”

[seaglass]

24. This isn't Late Breaking News - you don't need to post articles with misleading headlines.

We don't need clickbait on DU.

[oberliner]

38. Daily Beast also chose a really unflattering photo of Bill for this article

It's almost like they are trying to reframe his interview to give the opposite impression (and, as you say, to get clicks).

[Rorey]

29. I, also, respect how SHS handled herself *at the restaurant*

I have no respect for how she handled herself afterwards, and I sure as hell have no respect for how she handled herself every time she has gotten behind her podium.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

74. I see no reason to humanize SHS and normalize her disguising behavior.

Nothing she does deserves one iota of respect.

[Garrett78]

40. "and not have some of it come back up"

I wish I was surprised to see Bill Clinton promoting a false equivalency.

Protesting racists and liars is not equivalent to being a racist and liar.

[ehrnst]

49. When did he make the "equivalence" between

*Protesting* racists and liars and *being* racists and liars?

I missed that.

[Garrett78]

65. I'd say that's pretty much what he's doing when he said the following:

While he admitted it was a decision the restaurant owner could make for herself, he also asked, “Would it be better if that didn’t happen? I think it would.”

“But, you know, a lot of poison has been poured down America’s throat since that 2016 campaign,” Clinton said, adding that it started with Trump called Mexicans “rapists and murderers.” So, he said, “It’s hard to pour poison down other people’s throat and not have some of it come back up and bubble up.”

[ehrnst]

66. Not seeing that at all.

*Protesting* racists and liars and *being* racists and liars are the same....

But I don't have a bone to pick with him, so I don't see sinister meanings whenever a Clinton speaks.

[Garrett78]

67. Nor do I, but he seems to be suggesting that what was done to SHS was poisonous.

Poison returned for the poison that's been dished out.

[ehrnst]

114. My thought was that he was saying "expect to be harmed by what you yourself do."

Sanders supported gays being denied service. When she was then denied service, that was her own karma coming back on her.

"So if they want to have civility, they have to stop the name-calling and take the lead."

He didn't call the restaurant owner "poison," he said he respected the restaurant owner.

[njhoneybadger]

54. Did Bill have a stroke or receive a blow to the head. He gets lost in the middle of a thought now.

[emulatorloo]

77. Dunno, seems pretty clear headed to me:

Lays it all at the feet of Trump:


“But I think you can’t foment as much hatred as has been fomented by the administration without having a blowback. So if they want to have civility, they have to stop the name-calling and take the lead.”

[njhoneybadger]

96. He is not as sharp as he used to be.

[lapucelle]

75. "Bernie Sanders Defends Sarah Sanders: People Have a Right To Go to a Restaurant for Dinner"

On MSNBC on Wednesday, former democrat presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders defended White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders on the currently dominant political topic of civility in politics.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner,” said Sanders (Bernie) about Saunders (Sarah) being kicked out of a restaurant with her family over political differences.

Host Kristen Welker was asking the Vermont senator about the lack of civility in general at first, and he said he’s “not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people,” but that people have a right to be angry.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/bernie-sanders-defends-sarah-sanders-people-have-a-right-to-go-to-a-restaurant-for-dinner/

[Cha]

79. Oh for CRAP Sake!

Both of them are WRONG..

"Bernie Sanders Defends Sarah Sanders: People Have a Right To Go to a Restaurant for Dinner"

On MSNBC on Wednesday, former democrat presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders defended White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders on the currently dominant political topic of civility in politics.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner,” said Sanders (Bernie) about Saunders (Sarah) being kicked out of a restaurant with her family over political differences.

Host Kristen Welker was asking the Vermont senator about the lack of civility in general at first, and he said he’s “not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people,” but that people have a right to be angry.


https://www.mediaite.com/tv/bernie-sanders-defends-sarah-sanders-people-have-a-right-to-go-to-a-restaurant-for-dinner/

Thank you for this, lapucelle That should be an OP.

[Hekate]

88. That's rich

[sprinkleeninow]

103. Too rich for my taste....

Could have said *respect for the establishment owner* and 'no words' for the huckster person.
💙🗽💪

[R B Garr]

106. Thanks for this, lapucelle. I'm so glad Cha posted it upthread, too.

This should end the thread because as soon as Bernie says the same thing, it's not longer an "issue." Such contrived umbrage.

[LAS14]

78. MSM type OP subject. He had a lot of respect for how she handled the restaurant situation, not...

.. "for her" and all of her behavior.

[stonecutter357]

82. #facknews !

[emulatorloo]

85. ....

“But I think you can’t foment as much hatred as has been fomented by the administration without having a blowback. So if they want to have civility, they have to stop the name-calling and take the lead.”

Holding Trump accountable.

[Hekate]

87. Apparently you have no idea

[mucifer]

101. I give up I swear. I don't know what to say.

[heaven05]

127. short comment

bothsider? Him? JEEZ!

[mfcorey1]

133. DON'T let the headline piss you off. It is misleading.