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The story behind Melania's message on her jacket: (Original Post) George II Jun 2018 OP
A former model, and one who's made political statements via her wardrobe previously PunkinPi Jun 2018 #1
Oh, yeah. She is definitely complicit. joshdawg Jun 2018 #18
Absolutely... PunkinPi Jun 2018 #24
I agree. She is a purchased asset of Trump's. nt Ilsa Jun 2018 #23
The blouse is called a "pussy bow": the type of ribbon put on kittens because so cuuuute... Hekate Jun 2018 #48
Thank you (sincerely) for the clarification on the blouse name. I'm far from a fashionista. :) nt PunkinPi Jun 2018 #52
I'm not a fashionist either, but bow blouses were a thing for a long time... Hekate Jun 2018 #75
I looked the word up in my Big Book of Filth... DangerousRhythm Jun 2018 #70
Heh. I think it makes a sideways cameo in the musical "Oklahoma"... Hekate Jun 2018 #73
Thank you for posting this. MontanaMama Jun 2018 #2
Who is Jesse Nutter? zipplewrath Jun 2018 #3
Did you try to google original historical sources translated into English? That's one way ... Hekate Jun 2018 #50
Checked Snopes zipplewrath Jun 2018 #64
Good start. I'm currently stuck with a tablet that is nowhere near as flexible as a computer... Hekate Jun 2018 #65
"Surely she must have known" zipplewrath Jun 2018 #66
I really want to spread this tale far and wide, but NOT if it is untrue. Thanks for getting that. nt Hekate Jun 2018 #67
thanks for sharing, media failed us again AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #4
Journalists don't do their background research because US colleges... DemocracyMouse Jun 2018 #15
So true! Sophia4 Jun 2018 #20
See Texas Tech... czarjak Jun 2018 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #32
As at least a partial explanation for the KPN Jun 2018 #34
Storm away! And note that admins in colleges, with lesser degrees, have doubled in 30 yrs DemocracyMouse Jun 2018 #60
As an adjunct.... dawg day Jun 2018 #77
Somehow I don't think this was media failure. Send this info off to your favorite journalists & ask Hekate Jun 2018 #45
Thanks for posting. brush Jun 2018 #5
The corporate fashion fascists are selling apathy as a planned political pacification strategy. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #6
Shirts like this have been around for years. They're funny shirts, nothing else. 7962 Jun 2018 #83
We really know very little about her riverwalker Jun 2018 #7
Yes, but.... luvtheGWN Jun 2018 #11
The authoritarian point of view of communism and fascism is very similar if not Sophia4 Jun 2018 #21
trump's way DownriverDem Jun 2018 #8
"Question all that is being dumped on the internet" handmade34 Jun 2018 #26
K&R sheshe2 Jun 2018 #9
Wow. Malignia is worse than we ever suspected. Birtherism was bad enough, but now this. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #10
I love the "Malignia" name. nt Ilsa Jun 2018 #25
I have a friend who always refers to her as "Melanoma" alterfurz Jun 2018 #42
Everyone associated with trump is vile amuse bouche Jun 2018 #12
+1000 Duppers Jun 2018 #17
If she speaks Italian, she must be fully aware of the meaning of #basta..... Heartstrings Jun 2018 #13
Excellent point! #Basta.....#BeBest! George II Jun 2018 #14
That's Exactly What I Was Going To Point Out Me. Jun 2018 #27
K&R uponit7771 Jun 2018 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2018 #19
So "tweet" is the story behind melanoma's message? Come on people is it really so hard to copy and Kashkakat v.2.0 Jun 2018 #22
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2018 #28
K & R mountain grammy Jun 2018 #29
the russians love this - the republicans are helping them piss on America Achilleaze Jun 2018 #31
I can only imagine how Republicans, uh, handle that job. Beartracks Jun 2018 #59
K and r. Tipperary Jun 2018 #33
Thanks for posting this, George NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #35
In Italian, someone who doesn't care is called a "nonmefregista". fierywoman Jun 2018 #36
Am I the only one LoveMyCali Jun 2018 #37
No, you are not the only one. She is not a teen buying... 3catwoman3 Jun 2018 #38
I am shocked she slummed it by wearing Zara, I wouldn't be caught dead in their Exotica Jun 2018 #72
And the righties still don't get why we call Michelle O pure class..... RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #47
If true jeffreyi Jun 2018 #39
What a load of horseshit. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #40
But the meme looks so authentic! I can't believe someone on the internet would mislead us. progressoid Jun 2018 #62
Whoops. My bad. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #71
I think thats exactly what it was; a slap at Donald. 7962 Jun 2018 #84
I would think the FL job, as FL, would be to win over the hearts and minds of the people. YOHABLO Jun 2018 #41
"Me ne frego" Izzy Blue Jun 2018 #43
A bit more explantion trof Jun 2018 #44
That is just sickening beyond words. Send it off to specific journalists at MSNBC and CNN. nt Hekate Jun 2018 #46
They could have stopped telling and showing me a long time ago. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2018 #49
George II, could you please post the link where you found this? Some of us would like to follow up. Hekate Jun 2018 #51
Seconded! B Stieg Jun 2018 #54
Snopes has the source info Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #81
Verdict: Unproven, after research. Good read at link. Thanks, Voltaire2, I appreciate it. nt Hekate Jun 2018 #85
Aren't we being a little hard on melania? dubyadiprecession Jun 2018 #53
There are ways out Retrograde Jun 2018 #57
I gave her every benefit of the doubt (abused wife, etc etc) right up until a few hours after... Hekate Jun 2018 #61
Oh Please.. Cha Jun 2018 #69
I thought shortly after this thing started that this was a message to the alt right... Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #55
Nothing matters. The jacket, the restaurant or the immigrants. slater71 Jun 2018 #56
If true Meowmee Jun 2018 #58
....."how many times they have to show us who they are.... SergeStorms Jun 2018 #63
Thanks for confirming what many Cha Jun 2018 #68
Aside from the pathetic intent, after acts like tearing out a truly classy first lady's garden... lambchopp59 Jun 2018 #74
That's what a flotus TURNCOAT looks like. Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #76
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Jun 2018 #78
Snopes has something to say BlueMTexpat Jun 2018 #79
Snopes says nope. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #80
This is too much of a leap for me, even though that Hortensis Jun 2018 #82

PunkinPi

(4,874 posts)
1. A former model, and one who's made political statements via her wardrobe previously
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 09:25 AM
Jun 2018

(wearing a pink "pussy blouse" to the debate after the Access Hollywood tape was released, etc.) not to know about the history of the retailer. I'm not buying it. She's complicit.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10770456

joshdawg

(2,644 posts)
18. Oh, yeah. She is definitely complicit.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 11:17 AM
Jun 2018

She has charge of her wardrobe. She knew exactly what she was doing when she picked that jacket, so for any one who said that "it was just a jacket" is a lying piece of s***. She knew full well what the meaning of that slogan was.

PunkinPi

(4,874 posts)
24. Absolutely...
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 11:36 AM
Jun 2018



Interesting detail: When a First Lady travels solo, her tarmac arrival is traditionally closed to press, ⁦writes ⁦@emilyaheil⁩.

But last wk, ⁦@FLOTUS⁩ invited pool cameras to cover her on the tarmac. Thereby guaranteeing you’d see her jacket.


Link to WaPo article in the tweet -> https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/why-didnt-someone-stop-melania-trump-from-wearing-that-jacket-thats-not-how-this-white-house-works/2018/06/22/9d6a43a0-7640-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html?utm_term=.271046852578

Snips from WaPo article:
And she often selects her clothing without assistance, relying less on stylists and personal shoppers than on her own taste. Her spokeswoman, Stephanie Grisham, told The Washington Post’s fashion critic, Robin Givhan, in December that the first lady “chooses what she likes and what is appropriate for the occasion. She does not worry about her critics.

First ladies’ sartorial choices are seldom made on the fly. For trips, particularly those abroad, the first lady’s staff typically prepares a “wardrobe memo” as part of her schedule, McBride said. The memo notes the events she will be attending, along with all kinds of factors that might dictate fashion choices, from weather to the terrain she will be walking on to matters of protocol, such as whether particular colors carry symbolism in a culture.

But Mrs. Trump’s declaration was, perhaps, more intentional. One former White House aide who worked with top officials in both the Obama and Clinton administrations noted that the fact that cameras captured Mrs. Trump boarding the plane at all was unusual. When the first lady travels alone from Washington, her tarmac arrival is traditionally closed to the media, so the decision to allow Mrs. Trump to be photographed seemed deliberate.

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
48. The blouse is called a "pussy bow": the type of ribbon put on kittens because so cuuuute...
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:08 PM
Jun 2018

I don't know how long "pussy" has had a double meaning, but you can go back centuries in nursery rhymes to its use meaning soft cuddly kitty. When I was in fashion retail (college, 1960s) the term was in use for both the blouse with attached bow and the separate scarf tied just so.

That said, I completely agree that Melania was playing off her husband's dirty words. I no longer have any fucks to give for that woman.

PunkinPi

(4,874 posts)
52. Thank you (sincerely) for the clarification on the blouse name. I'm far from a fashionista. :) nt
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:29 PM
Jun 2018

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
75. I'm not a fashionist either, but bow blouses were a thing for a long time...
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 08:07 PM
Jun 2018

Their lifespan was extended when professional women started wearing suits to work in imitation of the uniform shirt-suit-necktie of professional men.

DangerousRhythm

(2,916 posts)
70. I looked the word up in my Big Book of Filth...
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 06:49 PM
Jun 2018

They say it comes from the mid 19th century. I guess I could have consulted with Wikipedia as well, but it’s not often I can drag my book out to cite on the topic of slang. 😂

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
73. Heh. I think it makes a sideways cameo in the musical "Oklahoma"...
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 08:02 PM
Jun 2018

Ado Annie ("I'm Just a Girl Who Caint Say No" ) has been canoodling with Ali Hakim (pronounced Allie Hackem) the peddler, and giggles that "He calls me his Persian Kitty because I'm so..." Rest of sentence drowned out by scandalized noises. As an adult I can fill in the blanks I couldn't as a child.

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
50. Did you try to google original historical sources translated into English? That's one way ...
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:13 PM
Jun 2018

...of going around the mystery author.

You could check to see if Right Wing Watch has picked up on it yet, or post a query to Snopes.com to see if they will check it out in time. A question to Right Wing Watch could also serve as a prompt to check it out.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
64. Checked Snopes
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 04:52 PM
Jun 2018

Checked Wikipedia.
Found some other sight that discussed past and current fascism.
None suggested such a clear and important connection between the phrase and any single fascist group. It was listed among a very long list of such slogans that various loosely related groups used. And these groups were numerous and fluid with constantly changing goals and leaders.

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
65. Good start. I'm currently stuck with a tablet that is nowhere near as flexible as a computer...
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 05:01 PM
Jun 2018

...so my research abilities have fallen short for the past half-year. For this and other reasons I encourage my fellow DUers to follow up on what feels like an important lead, and not merely another shiny object. Altho it may also be a distracting shiny object -- with Teump, everything is in the maelstrom.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
66. "Surely she must have known"
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 05:07 PM
Jun 2018

I'm always a bit skeptical of phrases like that about anyone. Mostly because I am constantly amazed about what people DON'T know about both current events, much less historical ones. Ask a millennial to name 3 concentration camps. You'll be lucky to get one.

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
67. I really want to spread this tale far and wide, but NOT if it is untrue. Thanks for getting that. nt
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 05:10 PM
Jun 2018

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
15. Journalists don't do their background research because US colleges...
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 10:43 AM
Jun 2018

... where they are trained, have become country clubs catering to "students as customers." They hire struggling adjunct professors for half the price and put their inflated tuitions towards sports and luxury dining halls. The adjuncts, fearful of getting low ratings on "rate my professor" and losing their jobs, demand less from their students and inflate grades.

Journalistic quality will go up only after we reform our colleges and universities which are falling far behind other countries. The business paradigm has invaded a once vigorous non-profit system. Students are now coddled customers. Sad.

Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #15)

KPN

(15,633 posts)
34. As at least a partial explanation for the
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:07 PM
Jun 2018

journalistic media letting us down or betraying us in this regard, whichever it may be, you are spot on.

Looking back on my education in the 70s, adjunct professors were pretty much limited to PhD candidates, or professionals working their career outside of academia who were contracted to teach special curricula/classes here and there. They weren’t the norm. And yet the costs have rocketed 4 or 5 times as fast as wages and inflation.

It’s almost criminal, but certainly sociologically irresponsible and immoral.

I’m ready to storm the Bastille.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
60. Storm away! And note that admins in colleges, with lesser degrees, have doubled in 30 yrs
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 04:21 PM
Jun 2018

The adults grooming our children's brains and souls are mostly apparatchiks – career administrators. They know nothing about the history and meaning of democracy, good writing, journalistic integrity. Given their greater numbers they feel free to bully the intellectuals as I discovered at several East Coast colleges.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
77. As an adjunct....
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 10:14 PM
Jun 2018

We do our best, but you know, when you're paid around $1800 for a semester-- no benefits, no guarantee of work, no desk even-- you tend to avoid rocking the boat. The tenured faculty has to be the ones taking the risks, not the peons like me, who are making just south of minimum wage without any job security. Last semester, I spent most of a week prepping a class that got cancelled the first day ("only" 19 students). I got paid NOTHING.

It's very easy for an administrator who is pissed at something you say to make sure your classes never go, and you never get paid.

There's a unionization effort at many universities that really deserves everyone's support.

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
45. Somehow I don't think this was media failure. Send this info off to your favorite journalists & ask
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:56 PM
Jun 2018

...that they do some follow-up. I have a feeling that some on CNN and MSNBC will be interested. Rachel Maddow, Steve Karnacki, Ari Melber, Stephanie Rhule (she could work it into her econ/business stuff), and a host of others could no doubt hold this in their background files until they have enough confirmation to use it.

Think of it as citizen-journalist crowd sourcing.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
6. The corporate fashion fascists are selling apathy as a planned political pacification strategy.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 09:50 AM
Jun 2018

Have you seen some of the horrible T-shirts at major retailers lately?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
83. Shirts like this have been around for years. They're funny shirts, nothing else.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 09:20 AM
Jun 2018

40 yrs ago a classmate listed in the yearbook one of his "achievements" as being a member of the "national society for the prevention of cerebral development". He moved to a different state and ended up being a state senator!
Its just a joke.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
7. We really know very little about her
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 10:14 AM
Jun 2018

Her father Viktor Knavs, joined the Communist Party at a time when only 5% of Slovenia were members. He was a true believer, not a pragmatist. People say, yeah he had to join to get a good job...blah..blah. What about the other 95% of Slovenia who did not join? Who did he step on? Who is he really? Now that he’s sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom and running around the White House, we should know. Did her upbringing make her a proponent of authoritarian fascist states?
Remember when they investigated every living distant relative of Obama?

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
11. Yes, but....
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 10:33 AM
Jun 2018

there is a significant difference between communism and fascism. Of course, the Slovenian Communist Party could have been a euphemism for fascistic beliefs. Will have to look it up.

But I agree -- she didn't wear that jacket accidentally. She was making a statement, personally and probably politically.

DownriverDem

(6,223 posts)
8. trump's way
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 10:21 AM
Jun 2018

trump creates diversion so that folks ignore the real issues of the day. It's hard to ignore their insanity which is what trump wants the press to do. The FL is not stupid. I too believe she knew exactly the origin of that message in Italy and what it means now. Vote in November folks. Question all that is being dumped on the internet.

Heartstrings

(7,349 posts)
13. If she speaks Italian, she must be fully aware of the meaning of #basta.....
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 10:43 AM
Jun 2018

Just sayin.....works both ways (not my) First Lady.....

Response to George II (Original post)

Beartracks

(12,787 posts)
59. I can only imagine how Republicans, uh, handle that job.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 04:07 PM
Jun 2018

Sort of like holding your friend's hair while they vomit...?

=========

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
35. Thanks for posting this, George
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:13 PM
Jun 2018

I've always thought Melania was complicit, but I didn't know about her fascist background. Yes, she could simply be telegraphing that the Trump family are fascists (but she is not), but wearing that jacket to THAT event shows us something darker about her.

LoveMyCali

(2,015 posts)
37. Am I the only one
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:14 PM
Jun 2018

who thinks regardless of her intent, when did it become appropriate for the first lady to wear a graffiti jacket or a graphic tee in public? She's not a college kid on a road trip.

 

Exotica

(1,461 posts)
72. I am shocked she slummed it by wearing Zara, I wouldn't be caught dead in their
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 07:38 PM
Jun 2018

dodgy shit. The jacket, btw is from their Spring/Summer 2016 collection, so she probably has had it for over 2 years. Curious timing, although I wager it is more a jibe at Trump than some "let's show the world we are fascists" meme via a very tenuous WWI Arditi connection that is also in a Roman dialect, not standard Italian. Ironic slogans have been a staple of street-wear for decades.

Here is a fashion blogger's post on the jacket from early 2016. she also happens to actually be Italian and doesn't have any "Mussolini Comes To High Street" vibe going on.

https://fashionbyjeje.com/really-dont-care-do-u/

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
47. And the righties still don't get why we call Michelle O pure class.....
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:01 PM
Jun 2018

Melanoma looked like she went dumpster diving and then got spray painted by the person she beat out for the jacket.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
40. What a load of horseshit.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:32 PM
Jun 2018

Melania wore the jacket because she knew it would piss Donald off. It worked. Let's not give her too much fucking credit in the ideology department.

Besides, the motto of the Arditi was O la vittoria, o tutti accoppati, "Victory or we all die".

progressoid

(49,917 posts)
62. But the meme looks so authentic! I can't believe someone on the internet would mislead us.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 04:30 PM
Jun 2018

Also, we're Democrats. We don't make mistakes.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
71. Whoops. My bad.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 07:21 PM
Jun 2018

I just assumed getting news from the same place most people get their pornography was perhaps not the best idea, but seeing as we're all by virtue of our being here intellectually responsible, smart, and sane, I realize now I was mistaken. Melania Trump, who thus far owes everything she has in life to her cryptic ability to look pretty in front of a camera, is obviously a fascist ideologue of Goebbels-like proportions. From the reception I see here, she must obviously be the secret intellectual stalking the halls of power that by all evidence she never wanted to walk in the first place.

I humbly retract my criticism.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
84. I think thats exactly what it was; a slap at Donald.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 09:21 AM
Jun 2018

No way a woman of her style wears some frumpy coat like that for no reason. Cant wait for THAT divorce proceeding. For those who think she'll never leave because of his money, she's been with him long enough to get a tidy settlement.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
41. I would think the FL job, as FL, would be to win over the hearts and minds of the people.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:52 PM
Jun 2018

I honestly don't know what her motive was on wearing that jacket, except she definitely had a motive. She's ''cleverly'' left it up for public scrutiny. I haven't heard of a press conference being held to explain what her intentions were. Melania had a motive on marrying Donald Trump, and that one is easy to figure out.

trof

(54,256 posts)
44. A bit more explantion
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:06 PM
Jun 2018

he catchphrase originated (not linguistically, but for this context) with the "warrior-poet" Gabriele d'Annunzio and became popular among Italian soldiers in World War I. It was an expression of courage and bravado, not carelessness: "we might die tomorrow, but me ne frego." After the war, it continued to be used by Mussolini's squadristi (strike busters) and after he came to power it became the motto of the Black Shirts.

This song from 1920 may shed some light on the rhetorical gist of the catch phrase: https://it.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Me_ne_frego_(Versione_del_1920)
The key point is obviously the chorus, "me ne frego di morire per la santa libertà"--"I don't mind dying for sacred liberty." It's all part of the cult of machismo that Fascism cultivated.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4bwnio/why_was_me_ne_frego_i_dont_care_chosen_by/

BobTheSubgenius

(11,557 posts)
49. They could have stopped telling and showing me a long time ago.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:11 PM
Jun 2018

It's not like their mission statement isn't obvious to anyone with a pulse and the slightest ability to discern nuance.

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
51. George II, could you please post the link where you found this? Some of us would like to follow up.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:17 PM
Jun 2018

Thanks

dubyadiprecession

(5,673 posts)
53. Aren't we being a little hard on melania?
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:31 PM
Jun 2018

She's obviously stuck in this marriage with no easy way out. She's been with don the con since 2006. Isn't that punishment enough?

Retrograde

(10,119 posts)
57. There are ways out
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:42 PM
Jun 2018

Donnie Two Scoops has given her clear grounds for divorce under New York state laws, or she could move to a state that has no-fault divorce. That would, of course, mean getting off the gravy train. I would have some respect for her if she did that.

She went into this, a marriage with a twice-divorced man whom she knew cheated on his wives (he was married when they started dating) as a career woman in her 30s, not as some dewy-eyed innocent with no knowledge of the wicked world. No, we're not being too hard on her: if anything, we're being too easy.

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
61. I gave her every benefit of the doubt (abused wife, etc etc) right up until a few hours after...
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 04:29 PM
Jun 2018

...the jacket incident. Within 24 hours there was something that just absolutely reeked and could not be denied.

I argued that she had a right to privacy in the hospital and we shouldn't be mean. But you know what -- I no longer have a single fck to give for that woman.

slater71

(1,153 posts)
56. Nothing matters. The jacket, the restaurant or the immigrants.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:37 PM
Jun 2018

If we let this coming election be hijacked like the 2016 one then it is not going to matter what they say or what they do because no one will be able to stop them. This country will be finished as we know it. They will control most all the courts in the land. The repuke governors will let the pukes in their states reline the voting districts so that a Dem will never hold office again. Complete and total control. All the while we are running them out of restaurants and theaters they will running us into irrelevance and we will never see it coming. One election is all it will take.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
58. If true
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:47 PM
Jun 2018

And it seems it is, I hope this makes network news. There is no way she did this for no reason and the company has made an antisemitic jacket apparently as well. Disgusting. They are all vile, I hope to live to see the downfall of them all, the sooner the better.

SergeStorms

(19,108 posts)
63. ....."how many times they have to show us who they are....
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 04:39 PM
Jun 2018

before we believe them".

Oh, I fucking believe them. I certainly believe them!

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
74. Aside from the pathetic intent, after acts like tearing out a truly classy first lady's garden...
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 08:04 PM
Jun 2018

This is simply the lowest common denominator of "fashion choice" *cough* I've ever even thought a first lady would wear. Even Nancy RayGun's "thrift store" debut had a self depricating humorous aspect, if a bit elitist in reality.
But this is lower than bottom of the barrel, there's no mistaking the intent, and Donald's "oh she was making statement on the MSM" goes straight onto the list of over 3000 lies.

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
79. Snopes has something to say
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 05:31 AM
Jun 2018

about this: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-controversial-jacket-pro-fascism-message/

Whatever the truth, it was a horrible meme to wear on a jacket in the circumstances.

It either shows jarring tone-deafness or deliberate provocation, either of which will be gleefully swallowed by those who are full of hate.

Voltaire2

(12,919 posts)
80. Snopes says nope.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 05:31 AM
Jun 2018


It seems to be a stretch to suggest that the “I REALLY DON’T CARE, DO U” jacket was a slick reference to the Italian phrase “me ne frego,” or “I don’t give a damn.” Determining intent is usually purely speculative, for starters. On top of that, the translation was not exact.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-controversial-jacket-pro-fascism-message/

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
82. This is too much of a leap for me, even though that
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 06:42 AM
Jun 2018

jacket's contemptible. Melania's may imagine herself a strong woman, but if she is it's certainly not the kind of strength that arises from good character and principle. But announcing to the world that she was an ugly woman inside that high fashion exterior would take guts she hasn't demonstrated any other way.

Btw, I saw the same jacket saying "I care enough to vote" on Etsy. Hope its maker hasn't time for anything else.

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