Remember when people didnt vote because trump and hillary were the same

[Fullduplexxx]

Now we have concentration camps for children

[still_one]

1. and many of those who acted on that bullshit have no regrets for their actions to this day

[Demsrule86]

10. This means such people are not progressive and there is little difference between them

and the far right...both indifferent to the suffering of people ...even children. They have no heart and no soul.

[still_one]

16. I agree. They will rationalize it of course, but Noam Chomsky perhaps said it bets:

“I think they [made] a bad mistake,” said Chomsky, who reiterated that it’s important to keep a “greater evil” from obtaining power, even if you’re not thrilled with the alternative. “I didn’t like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump’s on every issue I can think of.”

Chomsky also attacked the arguments made by philosopher Slavoj Zizek, who argued that Trump’s election would at least shake up the system and provide a real rallying point for the left.

“[Zizek makes a] terrible point,” Chomsky told Hasan. “It was the same point that people like him said about Hitler in the early ’30s… he’ll shake up the system in bad ways.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/noam-chomsky-progressives-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake/

[Gothmog]

2. Jill Stein and the idiots on JPR helped

Susan Sarandon, Jill Stein and the idiots who post on JPR are very happy

[Voltaire2]

3. Remember when du stopped rehashing the 2016 election?

[Fullduplexxx]

4. Yea let's just ignore history ...and something about doomed to repeat it

[EllieBC]

7. That bullshit has helped create this mess.

I'm not forgetting what people did to cause all this.

[Demsrule86]

9. That would be the primary...the election and mistakes made are fair game.

[Hortensis]

12. Voltaire2, you're right. 2016 is past, and we're

coming up to another hugely, breathtakingly important election.

Only 139 days away now. isn't it way past time for those who share the progressive goals of the Democratic party yet have failed to vote for Democratic candidates against the Republicans face up to their misuse of their votes and understand the power they have and their responsibility to use it honorably? Some have regretted their mistakes early on and have moved on. But others seem full of denial and (unbelievably) resentful that anyone should be angry at them.

And knowing the enormity of what's at stake, what the hell are those others doing, those who do vote for Democrats but always talk as if they hate to? The ones who continue, knowing they're augmenting Russia's and the GOP's insidious subversion? What are they doing undermining the belief of capricious and weak principled voters in our party?

As we listen to tapes of children crying and feel sick with worry over the advances of fascism, where is the changed behavior that should arise from awareness and bitter regret?

[still_one]

18. This had to do with the general election. The same rhetoric was bantered about in 2000.

The Democratic party was undermined, and people dissuaded, by constant rhetoric by some of these self-identified progressives, who preached the LIE that there was no difference between the two parties, and encouraged people either not to vote or vote third party.


Well that worked out real well. Every Democratic running for Senate in those critical swing states lost to the establishment, incumbent, republican, and most of those Democrats were liberal by any standard.


As far as I am concerned those that refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016, by either not voting, or voting third party, and show no regret or remorse for those actions, have blood on their hands

[samir.g]

5. Hillary 2020

[still_one]

19. That won't happen. Hillary has said so herself. The Democratic party wll nominate a good candidate

but we must be vigilant so the purveyors of the LIES that there is no difference between republicans and Democrats is soundly rejected.

I will never forget what Michael Moore's and Susan Sarandon did in 2000"

"THE 2000 CAMPAIGN: THE GREEN PARTY; In Nader Supporters' Math, Gore Equals Bush"

"Michael Moore, the filmmaker, lambasted the front-runners. ''A vote for Gore is a vote for Bush,'' he said. ''If they both believe in the same thing, wouldn't you want the original than the copy? Wouldn't you want Bush? Sirloin or hamburger? Which would you go for?''

https://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/15/us/the-2000-campaign-the-green-party-in-nader-supporters-math-gore-equals-bush.html

[mcar]

6. K&R

[Demsrule86]

8. I actually said stuff like this would happen and was ridiculed...and the thing that bothers me

is I see the same kind of talk now...don't know how those posts survive.

[jodymarie aimee]

11. you are wrong

they didn't think they were similar...they didn't like either choice. That is why they stayed home.

[ismnotwasm]

13. Some of them said Hillary would be worse

I expect political ignorance in the general population, but I’m always a little shocked when one finds it on various political discussion boards. Why express an interest in politics if there is no interest in how they actually work? Why not find out facts instead of relying on Facebook memes or obviously biased and manipulative bullshit? Good information was there. People choose to ignore it. And here we are.

[R B Garr]

14. We know why they stayed home and it's not

what you say. We saw it all play out, and we know how the both-parties-corporations propaganda was meant to harm Democrats (edit-laughable that dark money is given a pass...). The JPR types were trying to decide between a Trump or Stein as the “peace” candidate, LOL. Read the Mueller indictments—actual facts on how people were lied to about Hillary.

[Caliman73]

15. Some did, and some were as you said. Either way, still ridiculous.

Hillary Clinton was the most qualified candidate in the race and was facing a man with known propensities for irrational behavior, narcissism, misogyny, racism, etc...

Hillary along with everyone else including Bernie, Barack Obama, and anyone else who has run and been elected to office is flawed in some ways. To "Stay Home" because a candidate has flaws, is ridiculous and leads to a man like Donald Trump becoming president.

If you don't think the candidate represents you, then GET ACTIVE, get your friends together and lobby, run for your local precinct. Don't sit out and let things happen to you.

[Fullduplexxx]

17. And now we're putting kids in concentration camps

[Gothmog]

21. So are they happy with concentration camps?

[oasis]

20. Those "jellyfish" are in equal partnership with Deplorables.

They both own Trump's dismantling of our democracy.