Some Things I Want To Know

[TygrBright]

First, I want to know locations: I want to know the location of every ICE state and local headquarters facility, every federal immigration facility, every (Southern) border crossing checkpoint.

And I want to know the location of every concentration camp, excuse me, "#TrumpHotel" that is being run in my name as an American.

Where are all these places?

Next, I want to know the names, job titles, and office addresses of all of the ICE directors and supervisors. The ones who are "following orders" from above and relaying those orders to the line thugs who are then following them below.

I'd be okay starting with the ones here in New Mexico, but it would probably be good to know the ones in all the (southern) border states, and then in all the major cities, and then ALL of them.

It is summer.

The stench of the atrocities our government is perpetrating in our name is getting rank.

Light must be shone upon all of the places and people perpetrating them. Not just the vile policymakers and their sleazy enablers, but all of them, right down the line.

Large numbers of lawsuits need to be filed.

Large numbers of people need to mobilize.

Witness must be borne.

That means, we have to go there.

We have to look them in the eye.

We have to nonviolently confront them, and say "Not in our name."

No one else is going to make it stop.

We are the only ones who can do this.

But we CAN do this.

It starts with collecting and sharing information.

So.

Some things I want to know.

If you have a verified location or a verified person involved in this cheapass wannabe mass torture, post it here, please.

I want to know.

Someday there will be trials. Big, public ones.

Someday we will have to pay the economic and moral costs of this calamitous cruelty.

Data will help.

determinedly,
Bright

[mshasta]

1. Is like looking for area 51

Don’t exist

[scarletwoman]

3. What utter bullshit! These places exist because these children exist.

The children are being taken somewhere - unless you are arguing that they are being disappeared altogether.

[TygrBright]

4. No, it isn't. It's like looking for Buchenwald in 1938.

There are NEIGHBORS.

And if they pretend these places aren't there, they are doing exactly what the "good Germans" of Weimar did, and exactly what the "good Germans" of Bavaria did when the stench of Dachau blew through their nicely-washed windows.

We have the communications media, and we still (for how long?) have the freedom to use it.

Share data.

Everyone needs to know.

Evil thrives on indifference and willful ignorance.

adamantly,
Bright

[uppityperson]

8. What happened to these children then?

[snacker]

2. Location of detention facilities

Here you go:

link:https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities

[TygrBright]

5. Thank you.

Otero County and Torrence County.

There's only one road into the Otero County one.

That has possibilities.

thoughtfully,
Bright

[snacker]

15. Might be more info here:

https://www.freedomforimmigrants.org/detention-statistics/

[Hekate]

6. 5th Rec and off to The Greatest with you

I want this information too.

I have been sick over this situation ever since it came out, unable to sleep more than a few hours. Yet today, despite the horrific audio just played on every news station, I am finally feeling like I can get a grip on myself and DO something. The difference? I no longer feel alone -- in spades.

Mucifer posted a list of organizations involved in the struggle, starting with the ACLU in California, that had a link to Slate.com. Hillary Clinton tweeted that Act Blue is taking donations that will be spread out over 8 organizations working on children and family reunification, and shortly after tweeted that $150,000 got donated to Act Blue almost immediately.

Trump seems to have finally hit a hornet's nest with his big boy baseball bat.

[C_U_L8R]

7. We need names

Of every employee and sub-contractor so we can prosecute them.

And most of all, we need the names of every child and parent so we can protect them from the Trumps.

[shraby]

9. If you put the addresses into google earth you can see what each

facility looks like.
You can also email the picture of the google image to yourself and have a picture of every facility.

[TygrBright]

10. Back when I was much younger, we created "Peace Camps"...

...at the access points to the big corporate military enablers like Rand and Honeywell and Sperry. We took pictures and wrote down license plate numbers of people who went in and out.

We stood, silently, holding signs, when motorcades of military brass visited.

We just wanted them to know WE WERE PAYING ATTENTION.

People went from camp to camp, carrying news and encouragement to one another.

One thing we learned, as the police and security guards harrassed us: They REALLY HATE BEING LOOKED AT.

I suspect this is true again, today.

certainly,
Bright

[shraby]

11. Cockroaches don't like the light.

[handmade34]

12. I have lost a child to ICE...

last year my grown daughter ended any contact with me... she is (was?) an ICE employee and I suspect my strong political beliefs are what caused her to cut me out of her life... it saddens me everyday

I do not know what her role is now, but I do know that as of last year she worked in the office and had access to all records concerning immigrants... she took calls from around the Country (and sometimes world) to answer questions from officers...

of note: Williston, Vermont (near Burlington) is the home of ICE's Law Enforcement Support Center... even many people in Vermont are not aware of this...

https://www.ice.gov/lesc

[haele]

16. I'm sorry for you.

Eventually, she'll have to come to terms with the reality of her work - doing a good job and having a career in an organization that has corrupted its meaning and ethical behavior for political power. Until she realizes that wielding power can easily be corrupting
and her work isn't about her, but about her being a tool for those above her, she's going to take any attack on the concept and policies of ICE as being an attack on her.

I'm retired military; I understand the conflict that those who work for an organization that, while it can "be a force for good" as the advertisement goes, it can just as easily be doing horrendous, evil things to innocent people based on some political hack's "policy".
There's an odd sense of mental divorcement one has to maintain; splitting the varied actions and attitude of the overall organization with one's own sense of personal morals and ethics. And one has to be strong to maintain the moral line one is not willing to cross, no matter what "orders" are.

It's especially difficult when one's ability to have a career with benefits and retirement, to protect one and one's family's financial future depends on frantically trying to justify ignoring injustice being committed by the organization that employs one.

Hopefully, she'll be able to get her head together and be her own person, rather than continue to identify with the name brand of her employer.

Haele

[handmade34]

13. protests in Williston, VT

http://www.wcax.com/content/news/Dozens-protest-in-Williston-over-immigration-policy-484993391.html

[TygrBright]

14. Thank you for sharing this.

And I'm so sorry for your pain in the separation from your daughter.

It's important to remember that everyone involved, even the ones 'following orders' for whatever reason, may have family who love them. The pain spreads in so many ways.

Thank you, to every one of those who showed up in Williston.

Thank you.

We need more of us showing up at more ICE facilities, being eyes-on, bearing witness.

Please, anyone who knows of such actions, let's track them here.

appreciatively,
Bright