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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSeniors Are More Conservative Because the Poor Don't Survive to Become Seniors
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/poor-people-often-dont-survive-to-become-seniors-who-vote.html?But it is important to note that some generational disjunctions in political behavior are driven by demography. Its well understood that millennials are significantly more diverse than prior generations. But there is something else driving the relative homogeneity of seniors: Poorer people are often hobbled by chronic illness, and succumb to premature death. A new academic study featured at the Washington Posts Monkey Cage blog explains:
Political participation of the poor is overall lower because of poverty, bad health and many other factors, but millions of impoverished Americans across the country also die prematurely. For instance, in 2015, research funded by the National Institutes of Health and the Social Security Administration revealed that, since 1990, among the bottom quarter of Americans with the least education, life expectancy has either stagnated or decreased. Thats for well over 40 million people.
Add to this negative trend the fact that mortality among the poor increases during middle age which is when citizens generally get more involved in politics. The premature disappearance of the poor, then, occurs precisely at the moment when they would be expected to reach their participatory peak in society. But they dont live long enough to achieve that milestone.
Since white people suffer proportionately less from poverty than nonwhite people, they do tend to live longer, and in better health, which is conducive to political and other civic activism. The most politically left-bent demographic racial group, African-Americans, has made progress recently in reducing the gap in life expectancy with white peers, but still lags in both lifespans and health, as a 2017 CDC study showed:
dlk
(11,552 posts)This is as well as poorer Americans dying much younger than affluent Americans.
Ohiogal
(31,979 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I start any political conversation with strangers when they happen, before we get started, please understand that I believe Bernie Sanders to be far too conservative for my tastes, but he is about as close as I can find out there currently.
That usually either sets the tone or they simply become quiet and we can then not talk politics.
DBoon
(22,356 posts)I want to conserve the values of my youth - freedom, equality and justice
deurbano
(2,894 posts)as long as straight white people are on top and the patriarchy survives. That's all they want to "conserve." Screw basic decency. Screw all norms of civil society. Screw what Jesus said. Screw the environment... and everything else.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)No way I'm growing more conservative, that's for sure.
Rhiannon12866
(205,209 posts)She voted Republican her whole life - until she called me in 1992 to tell me she'd voted for Bill Clinton. And she was born in 1900, so she was 92.
JI7
(89,247 posts)who have largely turned republican. but that has to do with their fear of losing privilege .
ck4829
(35,045 posts)MiniMe
(21,714 posts)away. And you worry about making whatever money you have last
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)more and more liberal/progressive as I age. To the point of being something of a nut case on occasion.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)and I'm old.
But what I notice in our area is that the people driving around in beaters with duct tape patching and what appears to be not a pot to piss in seem to overwhelmingly support the right wingers. Scott Walker, Dubya, and now Trump. It's mind-boggling.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Yeah, we live in KY and our area is fairly conservative. But there is someone up the street that has a bumper sticker that says "Persist". And there were several yard signs for one of the Democratic candidates in the recent primary (he won with 60% of the vote, btw). And we see a fair number of liberal bumper stickers at the grocery.
So not all old farts get more conservative as they age.
byronius
(7,394 posts)Tired of the endless Return of the Stupids. Without liberals, conservatives eat themselves and their children. We protect them from Darwin's Razor.
We need a Reset of the basic social contract. As in, we need a social contract.
Shark tanks make one big shark that then dies. Let's not do that anymore.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Igel
(35,300 posts)But those who are likely to live longest are those who are reasonable well off and who are educated. If you're white and in that category, you are more likely to vote (D) than (R).
If you're poor and white and likely to die at an early age, you're more likely (in recent years) to vote (R). In other words, poor =/= left. There's a correlation, but it's a correlation that varies by cohort.
Since whites are the largest cohort, this isn't a trivial point to include.
Even within AfAm, the same wealth/education = longevity standard still holds, and in that case prosperous =/= conservative.
What doesn't get included is how poverty's distributed within racial group and the effect that would be predicted. It's not the goal of the study, and outside of sciences (and even within sciences sometimes only uphold by absence) it's fairly rare to include any disconfirming evidence or arguments and deal with them. Most such studies seek to prove the authors' point, which is true, not to show that a claim has the greatest claim to likely truth.