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Sam Bee called Princess a CUNT...and I missed it... (Original Post) jodymarie aimee May 2018 OP
"Trump does it too" is not an excuse brooklynite May 2018 #1
I don't care if Sam Bee used it... It shouldn't be directly referenced anymore than the "N" word hlthe2b May 2018 #2
I do not think that a slang word for vagina is anywhere closte to using the N word. pennylane100 May 2018 #5
American usage of the word is almost always specifically gendered. moriah May 2018 #14
I think your response is a good reply Exotica May 2018 #143
You OBVIOUSLY did not read my post. First sentence references your excuse hlthe2b May 2018 #21
Of course it is offensive, thats the point. pennylane100 May 2018 #50
Keep using it here and see if you are always lucky via jury decisions. Read the TOS hlthe2b May 2018 #55
Of course I would never use it here, or outside the house for that matter. pennylane100 May 2018 #66
You really don't get it or don't WANT to get it. No one condones using gender slurs of any kind hlthe2b May 2018 #73
Well, I was just thinking that it is you THAT REALLY DOES NOT GET IT. pennylane100 May 2018 #89
You are so off base and YOU are not in the UK... hlthe2b May 2018 #130
and I am sure that British subjects everywhere thank you for also not being there. pennylane100 May 2018 #139
I would be respectful of language (and other differences) in Great Britain. I'm well traveled and hlthe2b May 2018 #140
"No one condones gender slurs of any kind" MicaelS May 2018 #124
It shouldn't occur. I've voted to hide on juries. But do your really think one wrong makes right?! hlthe2b May 2018 #129
It's not ironic, it's a sad reflection of the way misogyny developed in language here. moriah May 2018 #135
Next time you are in traffic court use that word quartz007 May 2018 #134
Then you don't know that to Americans it is an ugly, misogynistic slur. n/t pnwmom May 2018 #95
THANK,YOU MOM.... whew... pangaia May 2018 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author pangaia May 2018 #100
In the US mercuryblues May 2018 #125
You have over 3,000 posts here. You know it is obscene in the US Hekate May 2018 #128
Context is all. Orsino May 2018 #16
no more than you can use the "n" word here. Context be damned. It IS a gender slur. hlthe2b May 2018 #23
It usually is a slur. Orsino May 2018 #27
Did you even read my initial post? I let you know why it is so despicable to women who hlthe2b May 2018 #31
I just told you that I find it objectionable, too. Orsino May 2018 #39
It has been banned in the past via the TOS... Currently some appear to be more hlthe2b May 2018 #46
The n-word isn't a slur against femininity. Orsino May 2018 #65
There was no reason to spell it out--any more than to do so with the N word. It is contemptous hlthe2b May 2018 #132
I used to work in a print advertising office as an outside sales rep. pennylane100 May 2018 #96
That's a word I'm trying to eliminate from my vocabulary, too. Orsino May 2018 #118
I totally disagree. For some women it is the most appropriate term. Shrike47 May 2018 #112
Have you EVER had it used against YOU and your female colleagues in the workplace? hlthe2b May 2018 #131
Use it to address the female judge next time quartz007 May 2018 #136
I'm with you hlthe2b - seems this thread is the new DU - there's a lot of people I'm missing seaglass May 2018 #123
Seems you didn't miss it. NCTraveler May 2018 #3
I hate that word. Borchkins May 2018 #4
Then if you go to the UK, pennylane100 May 2018 #9
Will do. Borchkins May 2018 #18
Well they also use the terms fag and faggot for a couple of things MrsCoffee May 2018 #19
Also, in the UK, puffing on a fag out back means something very different. moriah May 2018 #20
My entire family lives in England and Ireland. cwydro May 2018 #30
You and I must have lived in different worlds. pennylane100 May 2018 #56
Guess so, for me as well. Tipperary May 2018 #78
+1000 !!! And double ear muffs if you come to Ireland ! OnDoutside May 2018 #94
In Scotland it's like saying... lame54 May 2018 #104
That seems to be the big difference. Here, it's literally the worst word you can call a woman.... moriah May 2018 #115
We are not IN THE UK.. pangaia May 2018 #103
I'm pretty sure I have never used that word as an adult NewJeffCT May 2018 #11
. NCTraveler May 2018 #6
That response just floored me when I saw it Blue_Adept May 2018 #10
What word then? Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner are vile and disgusting and VIOLENT Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #67
Vile. Disgusting. NCTraveler May 2018 #84
Next time you are in court, if the female judge rules quartz007 May 2018 #137
What a ridiculous and HORRIFIC thing to say to me. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #138
well..you did'nt think calling a woman a cunt is a biggie quartz007 May 2018 #141
I said that? STOP the PERSONAL ATTACKS AND INSULTS Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #142
Calling her Vile & disgusting is OK, quartz007 May 2018 #144
Lmao. Tipperary Jun 2018 #145
I Consider That Word A Disgraceful Slur Me. May 2018 #7
But the headline of the article had it in all caps.... NCTraveler May 2018 #8
Disgusting to say the least. MrsCoffee May 2018 #13
I think she is often funny, but that - if true - crosses the line - like Roseanne her show should be karynnj May 2018 #12
And you had to put it in all caps? Tipperary May 2018 #15
Probably because she couldn't post it with flashing colored lights and a self-playing siren. FSogol May 2018 #57
I am curious as to why the capitalization. demmiblue May 2018 #17
Ignorant slurs are ignorant slurs mythology May 2018 #22
She called Ivanka a "feckless c**t" - Colbert called DT a cockholster for Putin ehrnst May 2018 #24
No, it is NOT different when women use that word. SharonClark May 2018 #29
Yes indeed. cwydro May 2018 #34
Sam Bee is a feminist comedian, and yes that does make it different. ehrnst May 2018 #41
How are we missing the FACT that if you call Donald Trump a FASCIST TRAITOR Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #76
Well, bitch is out per du so... elehhhhna May 2018 #117
There might not have been outrage on CNN, but the fact that ... moriah May 2018 #33
Yep, notably absent when Colbert called DT a "cockholster for Putin." ehrnst May 2018 #54
Real smart.....maybe your show goes POOF too Bengus81 May 2018 #25
Anyone who claims this is the same thing as what Roseanne did kcr May 2018 #28
Puhlease... this is as bad as the people saying that Michele wolf "insulted Huckabee's appearance" ehrnst May 2018 #42
Have you watched her show? Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #48
Good for her,but she moved the conversation from Barr to her...... Bengus81 Jun 2018 #147
This is not acceptable to call a female by anyone. SharonClark May 2018 #26
So why do you think a feminist used that word? ehrnst May 2018 #43
Because Sam is a righteous feminist ChubbyStar May 2018 #69
Damn straight. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #71
Because lines are being drawn and this is gonna get VERY REAL very fast and Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #81
On DU per our community standards based on American language, I agree absolutely. moriah May 2018 #121
Fauxrage designed to exact revenge for the cancelling of Roseann's Trumper show. kcr May 2018 #32
Yup! Skidmore May 2018 #79
I think we need a slur, epithet and insult matrix... Thomas Hurt May 2018 #35
So it's OK if a woman says it? B2G May 2018 #36
Are you sad/confused because you aren't allowed to say the n word? n/t kcr May 2018 #37
What the actual fuck are you talking about?? nt B2G May 2018 #40
Should be obvious kcr May 2018 #45
Well it's not. First of all, I'm not a 'guy'. B2G May 2018 #47
So you're not a guy. Whatever. kcr May 2018 #53
The OP is about the word cunt. B2G May 2018 #58
I have no idea who you are. Why would I have a problem with you? kcr May 2018 #61
So do YOU have a problem with Bee saying cunt? B2G May 2018 #62
It's not my favorite word generally speaking, but context matters. kcr May 2018 #70
I think you're barking up the wrong tree. B2G May 2018 #74
But you did look to see what thread you're participating in? kcr May 2018 #75
Go froth on someone else. I'm done. nt B2G May 2018 #77
Some reading of the Egyptian pyramids LanternWaste May 2018 #87
Jesus busy morning for you ChubbyStar May 2018 #85
Just another day at FrothUnderground kcr May 2018 #88
The frothing thing just cracked me the fuck up ChubbyStar May 2018 #90
If it is a feminist comedienne, using it in a feminist context, to point out woman hating women ehrnst May 2018 #44
That term is outdated. Tipperary May 2018 #49
It was shorter than Female comedian, and I wanted to get it all in the subject line. ehrnst May 2018 #52
Feminist comedienne is shorter that female comedian? Tipperary May 2018 #63
Shorter than "Female feminist comedian" also less clumsy sounding. ehrnst May 2018 #68
Exactly my feeling nini May 2018 #51
Hillary isnt one though. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #82
Samantha Bee is Cool Now txliberal2016 May 2018 #38
Not acceptable wryter2000 May 2018 #59
I have no problem with four-letter words and use them quite often BUT... ADX May 2018 #60
I saw Sam Bee last night and was not upset by this comment Gothmog May 2018 #64
Samantha Bee's not helping. octoberlib May 2018 #72
Like Colbert did with "cockholster for Putin?" That got raves. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #80
Calling Putin a jockstrap isn't quite the octoberlib May 2018 #91
Very similar. Fellatio references are incredibly triggering for the DT crowd. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #93
I loved it... lame54 May 2018 #105
I think we are past where you want to be and I want to be. Ammunition means nothing Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #86
I'm not a fan of the word but won't lose my shit over it. amuse bouche May 2018 #83
This. octoberlib May 2018 #92
Our Democracy is at risk and the fragile flowers here are concerned about NoMoreRepugs May 2018 #97
If This Is RobinA May 2018 #106
Public Discourse RobinA May 2018 #99
It's one of the worst words in the English language - and I wish it hadn't been used - but the GOP Vinca May 2018 #101
This will come as a great surprise to many REP May 2018 #102
Thank you REP jodymarie aimee May 2018 #107
Couldn't Agree More RobinA May 2018 #109
This is just not that big of an issue given avebury May 2018 #108
I despise that word. Beacool May 2018 #110
Excuse me while I shed a few tears for Princess Ivanka workinclasszero May 2018 #111
What are the seven words you can t say on TV? Calista241 May 2018 #113
The really ironic part of this long thread about a rarely used slur, mostly directed to women, pennylane100 May 2018 #114
Ivanka may be that, but she's sure no Sheela na gig. The_jackalope May 2018 #116
I would never mistake Ivanka for the goddess of Life-Death-Life showing the gateway between worlds Hekate May 2018 #127
Its not like Ms. Bee is the President of the United States empedocles May 2018 #119
Who does Sam Bee think she is... John McCain? GreatCaesarsGhost May 2018 #120
I linked to the only version of "He Said It First" censored I could find above. moriah May 2018 #122
Thank you for apologizing, Samantha Bee: demmiblue May 2018 #126
THIS! hlthe2b May 2018 #133
Yet another thread to trash. Tipperary Jun 2018 #146
I learned that word when I was about 10 or 11 years old. MineralMan Jun 2018 #148

hlthe2b

(101,715 posts)
2. I don't care if Sam Bee used it... It shouldn't be directly referenced anymore than the "N" word
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:21 AM
May 2018

here.

And for any (including a few women) who want to tell me that term is not really offensive, especially in G. Britain or has been re-appropriated, or whatever, I say NO! Plenty of women of my generation had that term used against them for decades--by men in the workplace who colluded to ensure they were never taken seriously, whose work was not credited, and ensured they didn't get the promotions or pay they deserved. It is every bit as offensive as the N-word to me and many women like me.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
5. I do not think that a slang word for vagina is anywhere closte to using the N word.
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:32 AM
May 2018

Being born in England, I was used to hearing that word often. However if those who think is is offensive to women should also want to ban the words "prick" and "dick". It refers to a part of the body, and if it is deemed offensive, why not ban all supposedly slang words for body parts. Male and female.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
14. American usage of the word is almost always specifically gendered.
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:41 AM
May 2018

I watch and read Game of Thrones subreddits, I know across the pond it's an equal opportunity insult, and sometimes not even an insult.

Here, the connotation is very different. Never equal opportunity and always an insult.

Yes, I know we corrupted the Queen's English, but please do understand that the majority of users here are American.

 

Exotica

(1,461 posts)
143. I think your response is a good reply
Thu May 31, 2018, 08:42 PM
May 2018

I am a dual US/UK citizen but most of my life I was raised in London and c*nt and tw*t (feels so weird to not spell them out) are as common (more so IMHO) as asshole is in the states. Oft-times (majority) it refers to men too, lolol. It cuts across class lines too, as you will hear them used from the worst council tenant flats right up to a 200 quid a person Mayfair resto. People who are claiming not hearing c*nt in the UK are simply not being truthful (although one said their family doesn't use it, I can beleive that).

But, like you said, the vast majority here are Americans or American raised, so I would never use it here. Cannot say the same for real life, lolol.

cheers

hlthe2b

(101,715 posts)
21. You OBVIOUSLY did not read my post. First sentence references your excuse
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:48 AM
May 2018
And for any (including a few women) who want to tell me that term is not really offensive, especially in G. Britain or has been re-appropriated, or whatever, I say NO! Plenty of women of my generation had that term used against them for decades--by men in the workplace who colluded to ensure they were never taken seriously, whose work was not credited, and ensured they didn't get the promotions or pay they deserved. It is every bit as offensive as the N-word to me and many women like me.


It is a gender slur here.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
50. Of course it is offensive, thats the point.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:27 PM
May 2018

just like words that are used to insult men. How often are men called "a real dick" when they are being insulted. If we put the the word cunt, granted a derogatory term, in a different category, we just perpetuate the myth that women are delicate and must be protected, and we all know how much that protection has help women take their place in the world.

hlthe2b

(101,715 posts)
55. Keep using it here and see if you are always lucky via jury decisions. Read the TOS
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:30 PM
May 2018

That despicable slur has no place here. Perhaps you should go "whitesplain" to our African American posters why you think the "n" word should be ok, since you seem to want to lecture American women as to why they should put up with use of the "c" word. Let's see how that goes...

Slurs are used to hurt others. Those who use them show what they truly ARE.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
66. Of course I would never use it here, or outside the house for that matter.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:46 PM
May 2018

I do not need to read the TOS, or a lecture from you for that matter. I am just pointing out the outrage that is being displayed about a slur regarding a woman's vagina is simply that. It is ironic that somehow it is even more outrageous that a slur against a man's penis. If we want to come out of the dark ages regarding how we react about slurs against men and/or women we need to get over it.

hlthe2b

(101,715 posts)
73. You really don't get it or don't WANT to get it. No one condones using gender slurs of any kind
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:49 PM
May 2018

But, men have not had use of genital terms as slur in a systematic manner to discriminate against them. WOMEN HAVE and use of the C..t word, as well as B..ch, and many others that might be less severe, HAVE been used to HARM women. Not just to offend them.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
89. Well, I was just thinking that it is you THAT REALLY DOES NOT GET IT.
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:00 PM
May 2018

Of course use slurs to demean other men, one would have to live as a hermit not to have heard it used in that way. What I find surprising is the reaction to Samantha Bee's use of the word. While I did not see her show (I have it recorded and will watch it later), I presume it was to do with her appearance in Jerusalem I may have missed the same outrage at her celebrating while hundreds of innocent civilians were being slaughtered.
If Samantha called her the C word because of that, I second that.

Also, just curious, but did you express outrage then. I am willing to believe you did.

hlthe2b

(101,715 posts)
140. I would be respectful of language (and other differences) in Great Britain. I'm well traveled and
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:43 PM
May 2018

truly believe in adapting to differences in the countries I visit.

Too bad you don't feel the need for such respect.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
124. "No one condones gender slurs of any kind"
Thu May 31, 2018, 02:24 PM
May 2018

Riiight.

Happens here all the time. Men across the board get called all sorts of names referring to the male genitalia or sex acts. No one gets PPR'd over that. And, don't talk that discrimination rhetoric, it is just another example of "Do as I say, not as I do."

hlthe2b

(101,715 posts)
129. It shouldn't occur. I've voted to hide on juries. But do your really think one wrong makes right?!
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:45 PM
May 2018

I'd bet you never had a gender-based slur used against you (and others of your gender) in the work place. Have you?

Wrong, but not the same. AT ALL~!

moriah

(8,311 posts)
135. It's not ironic, it's a sad reflection of the way misogyny developed in language here.
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:15 PM
May 2018

Even tbe previously-potent "worst word to call a man", a "bastard", refers to female sexual conduct as the reason the word ever was insulting.

I'm aware that historically, before the language split and evolved, that the bawdy play on the word was prevalent in literature, even famous plays.

But obviously language has changed. We eat custard and jelly, you watch it. We put a bonnet on our head and boots on our feet, you open bonnets to add oil and put groceries in boots. We try to get our bums help, you sit on yours (edit to add: another place where our word is perjoratively used while yours is polite for what you're referencing). Etc.

Here, it didn't evolve to common use in a good way. It evolved into a term that was decidedly negative and exclusively used against women.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
134. Next time you are in traffic court use that word
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:13 PM
May 2018

which rhymes with Hunt, to address the female judge, and see what happens to you!

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
98. THANK,YOU MOM.... whew...
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:19 PM
May 2018



It IS, for whatever reason, totally different than calling a guy, ME for instance, a dick head. (Which I can be sometimes,)


Response to pnwmom (Reply #95)

mercuryblues

(14,491 posts)
125. In the US
Thu May 31, 2018, 02:28 PM
May 2018

it is an entirely different connotation. It is ALWAYS used to degenerate women as it is referring to them as dirty disgusting, immoral body parts. it is used to degrade women with a vile term. Even when, which is very seldom, it is used to describe men the connotation is still there. It is referring to a man as being a dirty disgusting, immoral female genitalia.

It is a vile term no matter who says it and who it refers to.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
128. You have over 3,000 posts here. You know it is obscene in the US
Thu May 31, 2018, 03:54 PM
May 2018

Yes, in this country the so-called C-word is every bit as offensive as the so-called N-word. The OP should modify her subject line accordingly.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
16. Context is all.
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:44 AM
May 2018

When used by a woman, it doesn't carry the same baggage.

To continue the analogy to the n-word, some people do get to use it.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
27. It usually is a slur.
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:56 AM
May 2018

I have heard it used affectionately by women.

Bee wasn't using it affectionately, but I give her a pass for her gender--even though I also find the word offensive.

hlthe2b

(101,715 posts)
31. Did you even read my initial post? I let you know why it is so despicable to women who
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:59 AM
May 2018

lived through its horrific use and aftereffects in the work place. Does that even matter to you one iota as you defend its use, despite the pain it brings to so many who experienced this? Does it? At all?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
39. I just told you that I find it objectionable, too.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:09 PM
May 2018

It matters more than an iota to me, but I don't get to tell women not to use the word.

hlthe2b

(101,715 posts)
46. It has been banned in the past via the TOS... Currently some appear to be more
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:22 PM
May 2018

willing to let such derogatory terms go on juries. Those who keep using it will take their chances and I'm betting it won't be a "long run".

You say you can't tell other women what to say? Would you not tell someone to stop calling a POC the "n" word? REALLY?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
65. The n-word isn't a slur against femininity.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:46 PM
May 2018

But as long as we're discussing the n-word, I don't get to police all its usages by black people, either, because there are layers of meaning I don't fully understand, and I have a notion that my privilege isn't necessarily welcome.

A DU ban, with which I would concur, has nothing to do with whether a female entertainer uses it to vent.

Because context is all. It matters who says a word, and it matters who hears it. I don't use either word, except carefully in discussions about the words themselves. Very carefully. I think that you and I should discourage their use in most situations, in hopes that either the words will vanish or lose their uglier connotations.

hlthe2b

(101,715 posts)
132. There was no reason to spell it out--any more than to do so with the N word. It is contemptous
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:53 PM
May 2018

that some feel the need to use gender slurs at all, but even quoting, like the N-word, should not appear in full.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
96. I used to work in a print advertising office as an outside sales rep.
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:11 PM
May 2018

The word bitch was often used, sometimes by men(it was in the nineties. We decided that if you were considered a bitch, it was important to be the best bitch you could be. We turned it into a badge of honor.

hlthe2b

(101,715 posts)
131. Have you EVER had it used against YOU and your female colleagues in the workplace?
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:51 PM
May 2018

I've had decades of this crap and NO YOU DON'T get to be the arbiter for all women (assuming you are a woman).

The fact is that if ANY members of a group consider a term to be a slur, to use it is to show utter contempt for those people. If that's what YOU want to convey, then so be it. You use it here though towards me or other women, I sincerely hope you face the consequences.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
136. Use it to address the female judge next time
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:16 PM
May 2018

you are in court for any reason. And post here what happened if they have internet in jail.

seaglass

(8,170 posts)
123. I'm with you hlthe2b - seems this thread is the new DU - there's a lot of people I'm missing
Thu May 31, 2018, 02:19 PM
May 2018

right now.

Love Samantha Bee, despise Ivanka Trump but this is no good.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
3. Seems you didn't miss it.
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:24 AM
May 2018

I'm missing your point.

"CNN doing a segment now...anchors are outraged"

That is referred to as Thursday at CNN.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
19. Well they also use the terms fag and faggot for a couple of things
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:46 AM
May 2018

that mean something completely different than it does here. Cigarettes and food.

I bet we would see some outrage if she called someone that.

That excuse just doesn't fly in my world, sorry.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
20. Also, in the UK, puffing on a fag out back means something very different.
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:47 AM
May 2018

And don't even get me started on how you guys managed to call us Septics.

But this is an American discussion board, and I am not nearly as offended if it's two guys calling each other that.

Here, it NEVER is.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
30. My entire family lives in England and Ireland.
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:59 AM
May 2018

I can’t remember hearing any of them use that word.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
56. You and I must have lived in different worlds.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:33 PM
May 2018

I left the UK many years ago and heard that word often. I worked as a temp in offices all over London, from law firms to mom pop offices in basements and it was often used. My family never used it but it was hard not to hear it at works and especially in pubs.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
78. Guess so, for me as well.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:52 PM
May 2018

Glad for my world.

I too have spent a lot of time in the UK. Just not a word I heard a lot either.

OnDoutside

(19,906 posts)
94. +1000 !!! And double ear muffs if you come to Ireland !
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:03 PM
May 2018

I wonder is the word only used towards women in America, because in Ireland its use is generic, and I've heard it overwhelmingly used in reference to men here, And not only in a provocative way either. It's an odd one.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
115. That seems to be the big difference. Here, it's literally the worst word you can call a woman....
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:37 PM
May 2018

... and exclusively used towards women.

Here's a video that was made (yes, this is the censored version) during the 2008 election when McCain's bad mouth got him into trouble, it was alleged that he'd "had a bad day" and said this in front of witnesses.

It definitely demonstrates the American attitude towards the word when used by men against women. (I'm not going to get into whether it's "okay" for a woman to target another woman with that insult -- personally, I think if you aren't using it in the actual reclaimed sense, where it's no longer a bad word or an insult, it's essentially embracing the oppressor and especially when she essentially said she should seduce her Dad as part of it, wow -- but I don't have an issue with two guys calling one another that.)

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/5ca76b6e56/he-said-it-first-censored-from-election08

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
11. I'm pretty sure I have never used that word as an adult
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:37 AM
May 2018

but, I know it's different when it's a woman saying it.



Blue_Adept

(6,384 posts)
10. That response just floored me when I saw it
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:33 AM
May 2018

I am amused that it's taken about twelve hours since the event for there to be a single thread about it.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
67. What word then? Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner are vile and disgusting and VIOLENT
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:48 PM
May 2018

people who harm many others every day of their lives.

What do we call them?

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
137. Next time you are in court, if the female judge rules
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:19 PM
May 2018

against you, address her as cunt, and see what happens to you.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
144. Calling her Vile & disgusting is OK,
Thu May 31, 2018, 10:43 PM
May 2018

calling any female cunt by any one, male or female crosses the line. Same thing with using the N-word to a person of African ancestry. Not OK.

Do you agree with above? If yes, I have no further issues with your post.

And I never said you used the C-word. I got the impression from your post it was OK if someone called her that. If I mis-construed your post, I am sorry.

karynnj

(59,475 posts)
12. I think she is often funny, but that - if true - crosses the line - like Roseanne her show should be
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:38 AM
May 2018

cancelled. Using that kind of language to attack someone - rather than calling them out for things they do, is completely inappropriate. We can not be seen as tolerating this because we don't like the Trumps.

As to Trump, I can remember my dad saying hundreds of times, 2 wrongs do not make a write -- and he was right on that.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
24. She called Ivanka a "feckless c**t" - Colbert called DT a cockholster for Putin
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:51 AM
May 2018

Didn't hear outrage from CNN about that.

Women can use the word, and it's different.

SharonClark

(10,005 posts)
29. No, it is NOT different when women use that word.
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:58 AM
May 2018

There would be outrage on DU, and rightly so, if Sarah Palin or Ivanka Trump called another woman that word.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
41. Sam Bee is a feminist comedian, and yes that does make it different.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:11 PM
May 2018

Sam is a feminist, and she doesn't insult women.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
76. How are we missing the FACT that if you call Donald Trump a FASCIST TRAITOR
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:51 PM
May 2018

we dont need to be lectured to because he IS EXACTLY THAT.

Ivanka is a HORRID and VILE person who harms many on a daily basis, I need to know what word to call her or someone like her because I will NOT call them something that represents respect.

At the same time I wont call her an animal...but you all better give me a descripitve word for this

VILE
FILTHY
DISGUSTING
RACIST
BIGOTED
THIEVEING
FASCIST
TRAITOR

or I am gonna lose it.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
117. Well, bitch is out per du so...
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:45 PM
May 2018

Unlike abortion and shit maybe we women should decide if it's offensive.



I prefer asshole. It's universal.


moriah

(8,311 posts)
33. There might not have been outrage on CNN, but the fact that ...
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:00 PM
May 2018

... male dominance as expressed through sexual metaphor, especially male on male dominance, is not exactly promoting the idea that sex and power don't mix well without safewords... not to mention has reflections of societal prejudices about receptive partners in homosexual relationships....

Was discussed extensively here, if not exactly in words with so many syllables.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
28. Anyone who claims this is the same thing as what Roseanne did
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:57 AM
May 2018

Is no better than a Trumper. Go away.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
42. Puhlease... this is as bad as the people saying that Michele wolf "insulted Huckabee's appearance"
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:13 PM
May 2018

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
48. Have you watched her show?
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:23 PM
May 2018

They knew what they were getting when they put her on the air. And what they were getting was fucking awesome. She'll be fine--your outraged excepted, of course.

Bengus81

(6,907 posts)
147. Good for her,but she moved the conversation from Barr to her......
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 02:22 PM
Jun 2018

I don't care that she took Ivanka to task,but she could have accomplished the same without the language. Now of course the RW wants to frame the conversation with her,when before hand Barr didn't have a leg to stand on nor did Shitler.

Looks like Bee is going to make some kind of statement about HER comments on her show.

SharonClark

(10,005 posts)
26. This is not acceptable to call a female by anyone.
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:54 AM
May 2018

It doesn't matter whether the user is a male or female.
It doesn't matter whether the user is a Brit or American.
It doesn't matter whether you are 'allies' with the caller or not.

It is the worse thing you can call a female and should never be accepted.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
69. Because Sam is a righteous feminist
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:48 PM
May 2018

And that "word" is perfect to describe Trumps repugnant spawn. I love Sam, she just fucking rocks.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
81. Because lines are being drawn and this is gonna get VERY REAL very fast and
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:52 PM
May 2018

anybody who doesnt understand that better and quick.

One side are horrific traitors and fascists, the other side are decent patriots.

This is not a joke.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
121. On DU per our community standards based on American language, I agree absolutely.
Thu May 31, 2018, 02:00 PM
May 2018

Are there other times a truly vile word has a place because it communicates a level of outrage no other word can in the moment?

Potentially. We have a huge language, though. Bee combined a rare word, feckless (which describes Ivanka perfectly) with the insult for the punch of it. Is the punch really necessary in such a monologue? Perhaps, perhaps not. Thread title on DU? Censor yourself, because this forum does have certain standards.

I remember a long time ago in a land far away when DU juries were very different, there'd been a story posted about a woman who had murdered an infant. A user here who had been having extremely severe fertility troubles had said something to the point of she believed in choice until the baby was out, but after that... and called the woman the c-word. There was contentious debate.

I love our language and don't necessarily think every word is off-limits from use or view ever in any context, or I'd be with those trying to ban To Kill A Mockingbird.

If I'm going to see the c-word, I'd rather it be from my friends who are heavily into reclaiming, living in intentional community, discussing the book by that title amongst women. Not ever the Bee I normally love using it while at the same time suggesting she play on the already disgusting feeling vibe Trump gives off about his daughter.

Strangely enough, had the insult not been followed by the suggestion to try to use that grossness (when that is the one place where I actually have sympathy for Ivanka) for the good of these kids, I'd be more on Bee's side, but she sexualized the "word drop" so there's no doubt it was intended as a sexist smear. And even from one woman to another, that shit's not cool.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
32. Fauxrage designed to exact revenge for the cancelling of Roseann's Trumper show.
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:59 AM
May 2018

And look. Even here. The concern trolls predictably showing up.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
79. Yup!
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:52 PM
May 2018

Have seen several tweets from Trumpers trying to lay claim to their bona fides as feminists over this while wailing over Barr. Don't watch SB. She does perform for a US audience and certainly should have been cognizant of controversy, unless it was intentional. Perhaps it was a lame attempt at playing on the British royal motif. If so, US audiences are blissfully ignorant of British ussges.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
35. I think we need a slur, epithet and insult matrix...
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:05 PM
May 2018

so that everyone is on the same page as to what is a slur, epithet and insult and who can use them.

Get em all in there, gender, ethnicity, skin color, religious, class, sexual orientation.


One easy to reference source...

kcr

(15,300 posts)
45. Should be obvious
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:20 PM
May 2018

Every white guy scratching their heads over this one very likely has the same confusion over the n word. This seems very much a typical Gee, if I can't use that slur then why should they! kind of complaint.



 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
47. Well it's not. First of all, I'm not a 'guy'.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:23 PM
May 2018

I have no confusion, you seem to. Using the word cunt to describe a female is wrong no matter how much you disagree with or dislike a person. If you had bothered to read the thread, I was calling into question the posters who think it's OK as long as a woman is the one hurling the word.

But please do continue your knee jerking if it makes you feel superior.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
53. So you're not a guy. Whatever.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:30 PM
May 2018

Women are equally capable of being stupid. I still think you're confused about the n word because you haven't even addressed it. I am, aren't I?

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
58. The OP is about the word cunt.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:35 PM
May 2018

I think you simply have a problem with me and you're looking like a fucking pretzel trying to put words in my mouth or something.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
61. I have no idea who you are. Why would I have a problem with you?
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:38 PM
May 2018

Yes, the post is about the C word and the argument that it doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman using it. That argument is JUST like the one clueless white people use about the N word. In other words, the whole thing stinks of getting back at the left for Roseanne, because anyone with an ounce of any capability of understanding any nuance can understand there is a difference.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
62. So do YOU have a problem with Bee saying cunt?
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:40 PM
May 2018

Because I haven't seen you address that.

As long as we're picking nits.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
70. It's not my favorite word generally speaking, but context matters.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:48 PM
May 2018

It is a slur and I don't use it, but I'm not a comedian. It's simply nowhere near the equivalent of what Roseanne did and her show shouldn't be canceled. This really isn't hard.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
74. I think you're barking up the wrong tree.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:49 PM
May 2018

I haven't even referenced Roseanne is this thread.

WTF?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
87. Some reading of the Egyptian pyramids
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:57 PM
May 2018

Some reading of the Egyptian pyramids, their construction methods, and the mechanism of labor used may calm you down.

I often find that a good historical treatise does wonders to sooth ruffled feathers.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
85. Jesus busy morning for you
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:55 PM
May 2018

You are twisting pretzels and barking up the wrong tree. You must be exhausted!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
44. If it is a feminist comedienne, using it in a feminist context, to point out woman hating women
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:15 PM
May 2018

Yeah, I'm down with that.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
49. That term is outdated.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:26 PM
May 2018

No female comedian refers to herself as a “ comedienne.” WAY outdated.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
52. It was shorter than Female comedian, and I wanted to get it all in the subject line.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:29 PM
May 2018

And there are male comedians who are feminist.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
68. Shorter than "Female feminist comedian" also less clumsy sounding.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:48 PM
May 2018

I might well say WTF to the objection to the spelling of Comedienne....

 

txliberal2016

(9 posts)
38. Samantha Bee is Cool Now
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:08 PM
May 2018

Ivanka grins like a Cheshire Cat while people get slaughtered just a stones throw from her big photo Op.her father separates children from their mothers. the least we can do is call her names,I have no doubt president brain worms has called her that too.

wryter2000

(46,016 posts)
59. Not acceptable
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:35 PM
May 2018

If the only way she can insult Ivanka is to use a sexually demeaning word, she needs to think harder. And she needs to apologize.

Edited to add, apologize to her viewers, not to Trump. I frankly don't care about their feelings.

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
60. I have no problem with four-letter words and use them quite often BUT...
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:37 PM
May 2018

...with that being said, the "c-word" is not in my roster of curse words. It's extremely vile and is among the worst things one can call a woman, in my opinion.

Just my two cents, YMMV.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
72. Samantha Bee's not helping.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:48 PM
May 2018

Why give them ammunition? What Ivanka Trump did was vile but there has to be a better way of putting it.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
86. I think we are past where you want to be and I want to be. Ammunition means nothing
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:55 PM
May 2018

anymore.

The filth that supports that horrid vile woman Ivanka, ARE going to react VERY differently if and when justice comes.

Words will be the LAST thing we will care about when those ignorant, armed assholes start shooting.

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
83. I'm not a fan of the word but won't lose my shit over it.
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:54 PM
May 2018

Samantha Bee's great point has been overshadowed because of her use of the word.

That is the real shame.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,260 posts)
97. Our Democracy is at risk and the fragile flowers here are concerned about
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:17 PM
May 2018

a word Sam B. used to describe (perfectly I might add) one of the inner circle that threatens our way of life.
Give me a break people - this is the greatest street fight in our history and too many here are concerned with manners and rules and etiquette - you think the Repugs give a shit about any of those things???

Do not lecture me on the high road and all that crap. You want to win? Get ready to get really dirty and a little bloody along the way.

RobinA

(9,878 posts)
106. If This Is
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:25 PM
May 2018

the greatest street fight of our history, I hope people will soon stop bringing the dull weapon that is a slur to the fight and use some actual words. Calling Ivanka Trump a c--- is not going to win any battle.

RobinA

(9,878 posts)
99. Public Discourse
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:19 PM
May 2018

sounds more and more like an elementary school playground. Name calling back and forth followed by loud accusations followed by even louder explanations by each side as to why THEIR name calling is OK, but the other side's name calling is far worse. Maybe people need to develop their verbal skills to the point that they can use actual language to get their points across rather than just flinging slurs.

Vinca

(50,170 posts)
101. It's one of the worst words in the English language - and I wish it hadn't been used - but the GOP
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:20 PM
May 2018

had better not be too verklempt over the incident given the number of "Hillary Is a C***" shirts and signs seen at Trump events.

REP

(21,691 posts)
102. This will come as a great surprise to many
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:21 PM
May 2018

Not all feminists think the dreaded C word is the omg worst thing ever. Some even want to reclaim it, as PoC have done with the N word. Others will use the vast English lexicon however they choose, without regard to how we’ve been taught to gather up our skirts in horror at the C word.

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
107. Thank you REP
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:25 PM
May 2018

in the end, it is a word. It is not a concentration camp, or physical abuse...Is Is A Word. Sheesh...there I go capitalizing again !!

RobinA

(9,878 posts)
109. Couldn't Agree More
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:28 PM
May 2018

The only way to take the power out of a slur (for those who give it power) is to stomp it to death with over usage.

avebury

(10,946 posts)
108. This is just not that big of an issue given
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:27 PM
May 2018

all the crap Trump, his minions, and Rethugs in Congress pull every single day. I would ask the MSM why they spend so much time on crap like this when Trump, his family and minions and Congress are destroying this country. When will you (i.e. the MSM) start putting country ahead of profits?

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
110. I despise that word.
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:28 PM
May 2018

There are two words that I truly hate: the "N" word for AA and the "C" word for women. I don't care who it's used against, find another way to insult someone. I think that Ivanka is as much of a waste of space as Trump's other weaselly spawn, but I wished Samantha had said what she said without using that word.


 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
111. Excuse me while I shed a few tears for Princess Ivanka
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:28 PM
May 2018

who crushes the poor under her heel 24/7.

Its rough as hell when her corrupt criminal daddy get bribes from foreign governments that gives her exclusive rights to the biggest markets in the worlds and the common scum don't appreciate it and call her names!

The poor thing! I weep for her!!!

Oh the fucking humanity!!!!!

GO SAM BEE!!!!!

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
114. The really ironic part of this long thread about a rarely used slur, mostly directed to women,
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:35 PM
May 2018

is that the real outrage is barely mentioned. THE MASS MURDER OF HUNDREDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Samantha Bee referred to Ivanka using a derogatory term describing her anatomy.. The reason she did so was the SLAUGHTER of hundreds of innocent people while she, IVANKA, celebrated.. The event that triggered that slaughter was, in my opinion, solely the responsibility of Donald Trump when he decided to move to Embassy to an area that was considered sacred to three major religions. Where are our priorities.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
116. Ivanka may be that, but she's sure no Sheela na gig.
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:42 PM
May 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheela_na_gig

Sheela na gigs are figurative carvings of naked women displaying an exaggerated vulva. They are architectural grotesques found all over Europe on churches, castles, and other buildings.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
119. Its not like Ms. Bee is the President of the United States
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:49 PM
May 2018

whose shithole, pussy grabbing, etc crap gets broadcast and penetrates to every age level, every language, all around the world - with a uniquely high ethical, moral, civic, civilized, decency, national reputation, tremendous cost!!!

moriah

(8,311 posts)
122. I linked to the only version of "He Said It First" censored I could find above.
Thu May 31, 2018, 02:05 PM
May 2018
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/5ca76b6e56/he-said-it-first-censored-from-election08

But for one more more appropriate place to link how that word inspired controversy, and for those defending it who "aren't from here" and don't understand the impact, it's pretty clear about how Americans feel about the word.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
148. I learned that word when I was about 10 or 11 years old.
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 03:29 PM
Jun 2018

Upon learning that people responded badly to its use, I stopped using it right away. It's not part of my active vocabulary.

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